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Toyota Prius v

Toyota Prius c Concept
Toyota prepares its 40 mpg "family" hatchback

We first brought you news of the production version of the Prius v, a larger variant of the popular Prius, back in January. The Prius v is the latest effort by Toyota to expand its hybrid reach and make the Prius nameplate its best selling model in the United States (that honor currently goes to the Camry). 

Ed Larocque, Toyota's Marketing Manager of Advanced Technology, has confirmed that the 5-seat hatchback will go on sale in October of this year. The Prius v was supposed to go on sale this summer, but the earthquake that hit Japan in March altered Toyota's production schedule. 

Toyota hopes that it will find 30,000 buyers a year in the U.S. for its new Prius v, which shouldn't be too hard a target to hit. Toyota sold 140,928 Prii in 2010 alone. 

The larger body of the Prius v allows it to have more cargo room than its sibling (34.3 cu ft behind the rear seats versus 21.6 cu ft). Toyota says that this better use of space will make the vehicle a better fit for young families who don't want to step up to a mammoth minivan or crossover.

Unfortunately, maximum seating capacity for the Prius v is an un-minivan-like five. Toyota offers a seven-seat variant of the Prius v in Japan which is made possible because the Japanese market vehicle uses a smaller, lighter lithium-ion battery pack which is located between the front seats. In an effort to keep costs in check for the U.S. market, Toyota decided to use an older style nickel-metal hydride battery pack which is located in the cargo area, robbing space for the third-row seat. 

Another downside is that the Prius v uses the same powertrain as the standard Prius, yet it is over 200 pounds heavier. That means that 60 mph comes up in a leisurely 11.5 seconds. The added weight and inferior aerodynamic design mean that the Prius v can "only" muster 40 mpg combined compared to 50 mpg combined for the Prius.

Pricing has not yet been announced, but it expect the Prius v to be priced a few thousand more than a comparably equipped Prius.

The Prius family will grow yet again this time next year with the 50+ mpg subcompact Prius c.



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RE: Drawbacks
By retrospooty on 6/23/2011 7:37:23 AM , Rating: 3
the C looks OK in the concept pics above, but you can guarantee the actual production car will be significantly blanded out.


RE: Drawbacks
By Sazabi19 on 6/23/11, Rating: 0
RE: Drawbacks
By tcjake on 6/23/11, Rating: -1
RE: Drawbacks
By therealnickdanger on 6/23/2011 8:55:24 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
Put that shit in your steropipe and smoke it.

Fixed. :)


RE: Drawbacks
By FITCamaro on 6/23/2011 9:16:58 AM , Rating: 3
So you'd rather watch news channels that classified guys like yourself all as baby killers?

I don't watch the news but if I had to I'd rather it be Fox News rather than the drivel that comes out of Chris Matthews mouth. Or any of the other morons on CNN, NBC, or MSNBC.


RE: Drawbacks
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 6/23/11, Rating: -1
RE: Drawbacks
By muIIet on 6/23/2011 9:58:06 AM , Rating: 4
So why does Fox News have more viewers, maybe because most of the country agrees with their views and reports. CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC ratings are in the tank. If there was no FOX News can you imagine how far left they would go with nobody checking them.


RE: Drawbacks
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 6/23/2011 10:04:57 AM , Rating: 1
So if more people agree with what your news channel is producing, then you are more correct than everyone else?

What you said proves nothing. If we go by ratings, American Idol is the best TV show in America.


RE: Drawbacks
By Reclaimer77 on 6/23/2011 12:47:54 PM , Rating: 3
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So if more people agree with what your news channel is producing, then you are more correct than everyone else?


I guess it couldn't be that Fox has the highest ratings because a large portion of the news watching demographic is tired of the lies and bullshit coming from the Liberal outlets? Nah, couldn't be that.


RE: Drawbacks
By Wierdo on 6/23/11, Rating: 0
RE: Drawbacks
By cruisin3style on 6/23/11, Rating: 0
RE: Drawbacks
By Reclaimer77 on 6/23/2011 4:10:53 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks for illustrating how well informed the typical person is who doesn't watch Fox News. Yup, that tax cuts were just for people who made 1+ million. You're dead on.

By the way, I wouldn't act too smug if I were you. You are one of the worst posters here. Your grammar, sentence structure, and arguments are almost painful to read. Finish middle school, then get back to me.


RE: Drawbacks
By cruisin3style on 6/23/2011 6:51:29 PM , Rating: 2
It is you who are smug. And just so we are clear, anyone who doesn't agree with you isn't smug but I'm glad you're focused on the right's flashwords like boondoggle and smug without any individuality for yourself. I watch/listen to c-span and saw with my own eyes the republicans and democrats argue over a concession the democrats made. The democrats' original stance was they did not want tax cuts for anyone over $250k, but then offered to extend that number to $1 million in the hope that they could get the bill for unemployment benefits and whatever other benefits they were looking for passed. Republicans refused.

Also thank you for illustrating how reasonable the typical person who watches fox news is. you are quick to attack things just as fox news does though not necessarily with any real gripes but just to attack for attackings sake because you don't agree with me. If you can understand my posts, which clearly you can because you responded, then i guess there is no problem with my message. FYI i thought i was pretty knowledgeable about grammar and sentence structure, although admittedly i might put out a lot of run-on sentences. Please feel free to point out my faults so i can correct, but also just keep in mind this is the internet, thanks


RE: Drawbacks
By Reclaimer77 on 6/23/2011 7:34:47 PM , Rating: 2
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I watch/listen to c-span and saw with my own eyes the republicans and democrats argue over a concession the democrats made. The democrats' original stance was they did not want tax cuts for anyone over $250k, but then offered to extend that number to $1 million in the hope that they could get the bill for unemployment benefits and whatever other benefits they were looking for passed. Republicans refused.


Unemployment checks don't come from the Governments petty cash drawer you know. You seriously don't understand why it's an issue? The Government does not "have" money! Every dollar it spends it has to tax or borrow or print.

I'm all for reasonable Unemployment benefits. But the Obama administration has taken it WAY too far. Over two years of Unemployment? Who the hell do you think has to pay for that? WE DO! If you haven't found a job after ONE year then you either aren't trying or are doing it wrong.

You really just don't get it. You are making it seem like the Republicans are fighting just for the sake of fighting Democrats. How can you not see that this is a viable issue and that many Conservatives are alarmed at the amount of debt we've accumulated over the past 2 1/2 years?


RE: Drawbacks
By cruisin3style on 6/23/2011 8:10:20 PM , Rating: 2
Thank you for letting me know how i should feel about an issue. what i was trying to show is how the republicans are for the wealthy getting plenty of money (it was in the tens of billions a year for the $1 million+ crowd) vs to the unemployed and whoever else stood to benefit (which i want to say cost a fraction of what the tax cuts for the $1 millioners cost, but i could be remembering it wrong)

Everyone is alarmed (or should be) at the amount of debt we've accumulated over the last decade, and especially since the financial crisis which I absolutely agree that Obama failed to take into account and curb spending. ~$1.5 trillion a few years in a row is possibly the craziest thing i've ever heard.

On the flip side of the coin though I would argue that it WAS a financial crisis, while things were pretty good under Bush but he failed to pass budgets without deficits as well adding what i think was $5 trillion with no financial disaster to recover from. No one is innocent in the catastrophe that is our debt in my opinion.


RE: Drawbacks
By Reclaimer77 on 6/23/2011 9:24:31 PM , Rating: 2
Nobody on Unemployment ever started a business and created jobs for other people. Please explain to me how a tax cut on the "rich" is less beneficial to the country as a whole than dolling out more government cheese to people to sit at home and do nothing. Tax cuts don't "cost" us anything, because they always stimulate the economy which leads to economic growth. Higher taxes depress the growth rate.

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republicans are for the wealthy getting plenty of money


Liberal talking point stereotype.

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Everyone is alarmed (or should be) at the amount of debt we've accumulated over the last decade, and especially since the financial crisis which I absolutely agree that Obama failed to take into account and curb spending. ~$1.5 trillion a few years in a row is possibly the craziest thing i've ever heard.


I'm encouraged by this. I agree.


RE: Drawbacks
By YashBudini on 6/23/2011 10:13:10 PM , Rating: 2
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Nobody on Unemployment ever started a business and created jobs for other people.

How could you possibly know that? Being unemployed does not require being broke. Many start business at that very time, in order to no longer have a boss, run the show, etc.

Your comment is highly biased and unfounded.

As for being rich, how many people lost their jobs based on what a handful of rich did on Wall St?


RE: Drawbacks
By cruisin3style on 6/23/2011 10:24:30 PM , Rating: 2
If you think that

A. people who took home $1 million dollars are not rich, because we are not talking about owners of $1 million businesses but of actual income of a million

B. that all or even most of those million dollar earners used their extra tax cut money (because remember everyone got the same tax cut, then 250k+ people got extra) to start a business or created jobs with it

C. that almost all if not all unemployment money doesn't go right back into the economy

D. that it is preferable to live on unemployment vs a nice salaried job or at the very least a job with advancement potential

then i question your own bias sir. Where is the wisdom in being willing to give out what amounts to billions to people that I am going to call rich to do with as they please, while decrying when a democratic administration gives grants to companies for alternative fuels or EV makers or whatever industry that is at least an actual business to begin with.


RE: Drawbacks
By Reclaimer77 on 6/24/2011 9:42:44 AM , Rating: 2
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C. that almost all if not all unemployment money doesn't go right back into the economy


Wow, again, you just refuse to get it. You aren't the only one. I have seen many people claim that government money "goes back" into the economy, so that's a good thing. You cannot stimulate the economy with borrowed money that you have to pay back, and that's what Unemployment money is. It's debt, not growth.

I'm not going to argue tax cuts. Tax cuts are not "giving" someone something. It's letting people KEEP MORE Of what they have earned. That's a huge difference. You speak like a typical Leftie who believes all our money belongs to the Government, they just get to decide how much of it we get back. Wrong wrong WRONG.


RE: Drawbacks
By cruisin3style on 6/24/2011 4:11:17 PM , Rating: 2
Yes fine they are keeping more of their money and no one is giving anyone anything, nitpick the wording to make your point thats great. You aren't the only person who focuses on the wrong part of what someone says to disprove something they never said.

I never said all money belongs to government, i never said they get to decide how much of it we get to keep. I am saying you are a huge jacka$$ that continuously puts words in other people's mouths or infers what you feel like out of what someone says.

Please tell me where I said either of those things. Please tell me the last time you voted Democrat, because I voted Republican in 2010 and am absolutely prepared to do so in 2012 because I am absolutely an independent, if not with a left-leaning bias.

Who said growth? Certainly not me. Please tell me how, if the government has to borrow billions of dollars because it isn't collecting taxes on millionaires that it previously did, that is growth and not debt. The 250k tax cut bonus was $800 billion total through 2010 so let's say the millionaires cost, what, a quarter of that? for the hell of it. So unless I'm wrong every year from Bush through current has had more than $20 billion in deficits. So since government spending was not curbed, I guess we borrowed to make up for money the government was no longer receiving. So you're saying the distinction that is so important to make is that the government is spending money on the unemployed but it just isn't collecting money on millionaires anymore, despite that both of these actions added to money the government needs to borrow because they did not decrease spending in other areas to make up for either measure? The important part certainly isn't that one is providing a relatively small amount of money to people who are out of work and maybe struggling to provide for their families, versus not collecting money from millionaires who probably aren't struggling. And certainly those unemployed are less likely to spend that money versus people who are paid $1 million dollars a year or more. Typical Righty...just right right RIGHT.


RE: Drawbacks
By cruisin3style on 6/24/2011 4:29:34 PM , Rating: 2
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs%5C88xx%5Cdoc8893%5Cblog...

I'm sure they can't be trusted until a republican administration is in, but until we receive that gospel we may have to settle for this


RE: Drawbacks
By Hiawa23 on 6/23/2011 10:09:02 AM , Rating: 3
So why does Fox News have more viewers, maybe because most of the country agrees with their views and reports. CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC ratings are in the tank. If there was no FOX News can you imagine how far left they would go with nobody checking them.

I see Bill O' Reilly making this claim almost on a nightly bases, but most folks who are in my demographic, really doesn't like Fox News at all. I don't know about most of the country, not even sure how you can make that claim to begin with. Oh wait, we are in the minority anyway. Thanks, mom & dad. I don't base my views on what some claim the majority agrees with. The majority of my folks don't agree with them at all, & FOX NEWS make from some interesting discussions at the barbershop in minority sections of America. We tend to see things alittle different from a different perspective.


RE: Drawbacks
By Spuke on 6/23/2011 10:30:29 AM , Rating: 2
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We tend to see things alittle different from a different perspective.
Cause when you're broke, everyone is crazy or FOS. LOL!


RE: Drawbacks
By YashBudini on 6/23/2011 2:05:39 PM , Rating: 3
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Cause when you're broke, everyone is crazy or FOS. LOL!

Actually even those not broke think that way. As George Carlin explained it, "Everyone who drives faster than me is crazy, everyone who drives slower than me is an idiot."

Extremists have been gaining numbers for over a decade. Society's lower norms have allowed to them to essentially "let it all hang out." In the 50's and 60's if you were considered an arse you were embarrassed. Today a kid in high school considered an arse wears it like a badge of honor.


RE: Drawbacks
By Chudilo on 6/23/2011 10:11:08 AM , Rating: 2
Simple. Because people that watch Fox news have more spare time to watch TV.


RE: Drawbacks
By muIIet on 6/23/11, Rating: 0
RE: Drawbacks
By YashBudini on 6/24/2011 2:51:18 PM , Rating: 2
So what's the maximum allowable number of old people you would allow to starve or freeze to death? You really think it's possible for people who worked their entire lives at a moderate salary or income to survive for several decades into retirement? Where costs for food and energy skyrocket while pensions and SS barely move, if they move at all?

But for all I know you have a recipe book on how to prepare such people for a meal. And I mean in that in the omnivore sense.

More CoolAid with your whine?


RE: Drawbacks
By Iaiken on 6/23/2011 10:50:08 AM , Rating: 1
Just because the vitriol that Fox spews is popular, doesn't mean it is accurate, factual, present all the facts or are otherwise relevant.

In fact, you'll find that numerous PR studies have shown that news programs that present all the facts of relevant topics in an impartial and accurate way are too long and BORING to the general public. Go fig...

Instead, you see almost all news programs moving to short unrelated snippets, usually with attached opinion. I'm sorry, but you'd be hard pressed to explain anything of any real substance in a 2-5 minute snippet. The problem with news opinion is that rather than let the viewer draw their own conclusion. Instead they mount you with a single side of the story, throw out a matching opinion that is supported by the story and slant it in such a way that most people simply take that opinion on as their own.

The reason this is dangerous is that people are lazy and are unwilling to actually go out and dig up the other side of the story. Even then, they've already been tainted by an initial bias because the story was provided with a slant that already aligns well with their beliefs.

"Fair and balanced" is a better description of my @$$ than of Fox news. In reality, Fox news is a top-directed 24/7 propaganda engine that routinely engages in consumer fraud. In fact, I find a lot of what Fox fails to report in their news story to be the most interesting aspect of Fox news stories themselves.

The most interesting of which I find is the war of public opinion that Fox news is engaged in with relevance to Planned Parenthood. As Fox pundits tell it, the function of Planned Parenthood is to facilitate abortions. The primary mission of the organization is the education of young people on the matter of sex and the provision of effective contraception, protection from sexually transmitted diseases, emergency contraception and cancer screening. In fact, over 85% of the organizations funding go towards these. Another remaining 12% is split predominantly between adoption services and women's health programs. So what about the only talking point Fox seems to ream on when it comes to Planned Parenthood? Well, it only accounts for 3% of the annual budget and this has been confirmed by the Government Accountability Office auditors.

So in effect, Fox is selling 3% of this organizations story as the total package, billing it as Planned Parenthood's primary function. Now THAT is interesting...


RE: Drawbacks
By Reclaimer77 on 6/23/2011 1:00:42 PM , Rating: 2
Can you show me where they said that's it's "primary function"? I bet you can't. Or are they focusing on it because it's the most controversial? There IS a difference you know. A very large segment of our population does NOT want their tax money to go toward paying for abortions. Why shouldn't that be reported or discussed? That's a legitimate news story, no matter how you feel about it.

The rest of your post, well, that can be said about ANY news outlet. But I've never seen you slam MSNBC for it. I wonder, could that be because you're liberal?


RE: Drawbacks
By Iaiken on 6/23/2011 1:43:50 PM , Rating: 2
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There IS a difference you know.


I know, but I also know a case of lying by omission when I see it. Are you familiar with the notion? While they haven't outright said that the primary function of PP, it doesn't take a genius to realize that when they talk exclusively about this one aspect of the organization, it creates an impression in the uninformed viewer that this is all that planned parenthood does.

Conversely, I challenge you to find me a single instance in Fox's main news feeds where they completely and accurately describe the objectives of the organization and the number of people receiving each service and how much funding is used to provide them. This information is conveniently left out and it's absence creates false impressions; which, if done deliberately, equate to a flat out lie. When this is done repeatedly, as Fox has done since February of this year, it becomes indicative of hatchet job reporting in support of an agenda.

What's more, the Fox hatchet job on Planned Parenthood is ongoing.


RE: Drawbacks
By Reclaimer77 on 6/23/2011 2:03:07 PM , Rating: 2
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Are you familiar with the notion?


You mean like what every other news outlet does when they sugar coat stories about the Obama Administration or Congress? Yup, I am.

How about that glowing coverage MSNBC did of the health care debate? Yeah, they sure informed Americans what really was at stake /sarcasm.

I don't actually watch Fox a whole lot, so I can't comment on the planned parenthood "hatchet" job. I doubt you watch Fox either, so I don't know why you insist this is taking place.

Taking your argument to it's logical conclusion, at the very worst, all you can accuse Fox of is doing what everyone else has been doing for decades now. But because it's from the other side of ideological beliefs, it's "FAUX" and more wrong somehow.


RE: Drawbacks
By YashBudini on 6/24/2011 2:21:22 PM , Rating: 2
This goes way beyond sugar coating, this is a total fabrication made and implemented by Faux News, the name they clearly earned with this segment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaIh0GzMawE

Why? Because the usual leeches in the party didn't win. They later apologized for the "mistake." There's no mistake here, mistake implies a lack of intent, this was done with intent, aka malice.

You would think that if Faux want to fool the people of this country the least they could do is to be able to fool Helen Keller.


RE: Drawbacks
By Reclaimer77 on 6/24/2011 3:32:34 PM , Rating: 2
And Dan Rather's "momogate" where he knowingly used fake documents to slander Bush in 2004, what was that? Sure wasn't a mistake. Just more intentional media manipulation to push voters into backing the Liberal Democrat candidate. Why let a little thing like truth and facts get in the way, right?

I can think of nothing more disgusting or insulting to journalism than what CBS and Rather did. Your example doesn't even come close. Because you don't believe it was a mistake doesn't mean it couldn't have been.


RE: Drawbacks
By YashBudini on 6/24/2011 3:53:19 PM , Rating: 2
And Rather is gone while Faux simply said "my bad" and keeps going.

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Because you don't believe it was a mistake doesn't mean it couldn't have been.

The commentary later about the crowd's reaction? The guy wasn't there and only saw the old news tape? What's the lifespan of any news story? Hours? Please.

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Why let a little thing like truth and facts get in the way, right?

Ironically for my link I asked that question before you did.


RE: Drawbacks
By YashBudini on 6/23/2011 6:18:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
In fact, you'll find that numerous PR studies have shown that news programs that present all the facts of relevant topics in an impartial and accurate way are too long and BORING to the general public. Go fig...

And there's this:

quote:
Most people would sooner die than think; in fact they do so.

Bertrand Russell

http://www.memorable-quotes.com/bertrand+russell,a...


RE: Drawbacks
By 91TTZ on 6/23/2011 2:02:53 PM , Rating: 2
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So why does Fox News have more viewers, maybe because most of the country agrees with their views and reports


Fox News is news entertainment, and people like being entertained. It's the same reason that "The Learning Channel" has nothing but braindead reality shows on it now.

You'll make a lot more money selling people greaseburgers than trying to get them to eat a healthy salad.


RE: Drawbacks
By Reclaimer77 on 6/23/2011 2:10:36 PM , Rating: 2
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Fox News is news entertainment, and people like being entertained.


Right and MSNBC brought over Olberman because all his years at ESPN Sports Center watching men chase balls around for a living gave him a profound and professional political perspective...

Fox is clearly the ONLY news entertainment show out there.


RE: Drawbacks
By cruisin3style on 6/23/2011 2:37:14 PM , Rating: 2
"Most people" believed the world was flat and witches would float if dunked into water at one time


RE: Drawbacks
By YashBudini on 6/23/2011 6:20:28 PM , Rating: 2
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"Most people" believed the world was flat and witches would float if dunked into water at one time

But only the extremists found in necessary to kill or eliminate those that were not "with them," but "against them."


RE: Drawbacks
By Reclaimer77 on 6/23/2011 12:10:31 PM , Rating: 3
Brandon you're joking right? Fox is constantly being attacked, they are even called "Faux". Yet you just admitted every single other news outlet is biased to the left. Why do you take issue with Conservative minded people having just ONE outlet in the entire world that puts things in a Conservative context? There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Fox News is more balanced that people give credit for. The "Talk Show" type segments with a Right leaning host is what's promoted this misconception that Fox News is "far right". But those are OPINION shows, not news. Glen Beck is not "News" but opinion, the same as Keith Olberman. The actual NEWS segments on the channel don't seem that biased at all.

You have to be completely blind to not see the massive media dominance of the Liberal viewpoint. It has so permeated the entire culture of our society, that anything different is made to be "far right" and therefor automatically wrong.


RE: Drawbacks
By YashBudini on 6/23/2011 2:00:36 PM , Rating: 2
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Why do you take issue with Conservative minded people having just ONE outlet in the entire world that puts things in a Conservative context?

Well you just stated why they have the highest number of viewers, they have nowhere else to go.

But they do, try reading The Economist, it dispenses with all the BS and remains more true to what it should be all about.


RE: Drawbacks
By cruisin3style on 6/23/2011 3:08:33 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not saying anyone is correct if they say whatever is far right is automatically wrong, but the fact that a documentary on Fox News' bias called Outfoxed was released in 2004 really shows how great this channel is and for how long it has been glorious.

I commend Fox News along with Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh, et al, for bringing us the polarized state we find the country in today. Congrats on the gridlock, lack of progress, no compromising state of Washington in a time when cooperation (instead of everyone whining, complaining, and being unwilling to move in any direction other than their own) and good will would be great in the face of huge deficits, insane debt, and a rising China to compete with.


RE: Drawbacks
By Reclaimer77 on 6/23/2011 4:05:33 PM , Rating: 2
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I commend Fox News along with Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh, et al, for bringing us the polarized state we find the country in today.


That's an absolutely intellectually bankrupt argument. It's so ignorant it's almost offensive. Yes, blame a few people on one side for an entire country being "polarized".

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but the fact that a documentary on Fox News' bias called Outfoxed was released in 2004 really shows how great this channel is and for how long it has been glorious.


Oh well in that case, I guess I give up. We all know if it's in a documentary, it must be true. Just like all those Michael Moore flicks.


RE: Drawbacks
By YashBudini on 6/23/2011 4:41:45 PM , Rating: 2
Michael Moore (blithering idiot) never proclaimed to be far and balanced. Fahrenheit 911 was interesting for the few minutes it spent on those who didn't get to vote in Florida, after that it foamed at the mouth for 2 hours.

The thing about Out-Foxed is you can eliminate all the scenes and commentary from the biased creators, listen only to the newsclips of Fox itself, and clearly see Fox is anything but fair and balanced. That's where the creators of Out-Foxed failed miserably, they simply should have allowed the clips to speak for themselves. "Some people say...." is not a valid journalistic technique.

Part of the current problem also stems from even before Fox was created, the early years of cable news. I had seen many instances of "debates" degrading into shouting matches, constant interruptions, personal insults. What few signs of behaving like an adult disappeared. Like chivalry, adult conversation and disagreement is now an event so rare it leaves its witnessess in awe. Of course that comes as no surprise, especially here. Click on Motoman's comments and check out the 5's he gets. How many are nothing more than simply out-mouthing or out-flaming his opponent? No facts, no discussion, few if any arguments, he simply out-shouts whomever questions him. Winning through intimidation has been raised to a religion. So much to be proud of. Not really.

Why has so much communication degraded to such a large extent over a short period of time? Anonymity via the Internet is one major reason for viewer behavior.


RE: Drawbacks
By Iaiken on 6/23/2011 5:28:31 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
"Some people say...."


This is is my absolute favorite Fox technique...

They say it all the time to insert unattributed conservative opinion into discussion, to frame statements or load questions.

I love it even more when it blows up in their face and they are asked "Who is saying that?" In most of those cases where they have been taken to task for it, they simply move on.

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No facts, no discussion, few if any arguments, he simply out-shouts whomever questions him.


Motoman is O'reilly... O'reilly is Motoman...

More than anything, I love to see these bullies get owned by their hubris. When Donahue shut down O'reilly and called him out for what he really was on public television was a thing of beauty. My other favorites are when he can't win on the merit of his arguments so he huffs and he puffs and kicks them off the show. Way to be a good sport champ!


RE: Drawbacks
By YashBudini on 6/23/2011 6:03:43 PM , Rating: 2
Everything is a matter of perspective. Let's say moderate lefty news is about 10 AM, fair and balanced is noon, and to the right is to the right. Now suppose the viewer is at 2PM. Not much to watch is there? So along comes Fox at 4 or even 5 PM. If your perspective is 2PM then fair and balanced at 4PM is closer to it than 10AM. It seems like it's leaning less to you based on where you're coming from.

The sad part is nobody is really looking for fair and balanced, probably one of the main reasons it's not delivered, especially on TV, it's simply lacks zest or juice.

But to readily accept the constant spoon feeding of "fair and balanced" it must be restated relentlessly. The success of the technique of that statement is historical. Repeat something often enough and people will start to believe it. I Googled "Repeat a lie often enough". It's commonly misattributed to Joseph Goebbels.

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A lie told often enough becomes truth

Vladimir Lenin.

Though OJ didn't have much success with it. He probably quit too soon.


RE: Drawbacks
By Reclaimer77 on 6/23/2011 6:40:34 PM , Rating: 2
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This is is my absolute favorite Fox technique...


I call BS. There's no way you actually watch Fox enough to tell us you've seen this "technique". You're just repeating what you've heard from other lib lapdogs and critics of Fox. EVERYONE does that. Post statistics that Fox does it more than anyone else, or your argument is just subjective tripe.

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When Donahue...


That Liberal Democrat who's claim to fame is that he was a daytime Jerry Springer wannabee? Yeah man, he sure showed O'reilly who's boss.

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My other favorites are when he can't win on the merit of his arguments so he huffs and he puffs and kicks them off the show. Way to be a good sport champ!


You can't win with a lot of Liberals because they cannot admit, or even recognize, when their entire belief system is wrong and has failed.

Besides, again, this is no worst than Olberman's segment when he would proclaim someone to be (usually a Republican) the "Worst Person in the World" or some such egomaniac narcissistic garbage.

Also, AGAIN, O'reilly isn't doing the NEWS! It's an OPINION show on Fox. Not part of a Fox News segment.

Again you guys just aren't making a solid case that Fox is less balanced or even as balanced as the other networks. All I'm hearing here is "Fox is terrible because it's not Liberal".


RE: Drawbacks
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 6/23/2011 6:54:33 PM , Rating: 1
I just don't buy the belief that liberals are inherently wrong and that conservatives are inherently right.

It is this sort of foolishness (from both sides) that is tearing this country apart. Once people get it through their thick skulls that both sides have viable positions/points, the political system will be better for it. Right now, there is just too much venom being spewed.


RE: Drawbacks
By Reclaimer77 on 6/23/2011 7:09:18 PM , Rating: 2
Umm no, the country is being torn apart because at some point a party decided to slowly transform this once-great nation into a socialist oligarchy. It started with the "New Deal" and has been gaining speed ever since.

quote:
Once people get it through their thick skulls that both sides have viable positions


Enlighten me. What viable Liberal position on something is there? I honestly can't think of one.

quote:
I just don't buy the belief that liberals are inherently wrong and that conservatives are inherently right.


Well, I think that's sad. Liberalism, by it's very definition, is diametrically opposite to the way this country was founded and the beliefs that are instilled in the majority of it's citizens. How that can be "inherently right", I have no idea. It can't. Higher taxes, bigger government, less freedoms. These are not "good" things Brandon.


RE: Drawbacks
By YashBudini on 6/23/2011 8:40:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It is this sort of foolishness (from both sides) that is tearing this country apart.

You have to wonder if that's not the ultimate goal of the 2 parties, the old divide and conquer process.

By arguing with each other both political "parties" get to do whatever is in their interests, and that means the leaders of the party and the politicians, not the voters on either side.

If all people called for the BS to end the press would have to cover it and they would eventually have to face it. Supporting the argument of that the 2 parties only care about themselves is something that did not happen in 2008. The 3rd party runners did a phone survey and asked the people if they wanted to hear from the 3rd party candidates during the debates. 60% of the people responded yes, according to Ron Paul at the separate 3rd party debates televised on CSPAN. Why didn't the 3rd party candidates get a chance to debate? Because the "team" that determines who gets to debate nationally is composed of 1 democrat and 1 republican.

1 coin, 2 sides, same sh!t.


RE: Drawbacks
By muIIet on 6/24/2011 12:56:35 AM , Rating: 2
You will never get compromise when you have 2 parties that have totally opposite ideologies, especially in a crisis like we are in.

Liberals want to tax and spend their way out of it.
Republicans want to cut taxes and cut spending.
Liberals want to take care of you from cradle to grave.
Republicans want you to be responsible and take care of yourself.
Liberals want everyone to buy hybrids, solar panels and windmills, save the frogs and trees.
Republicans want the market to determine what types of cars are made and when.
Liberals have a rally for their party and all they do is leave a mess and wet beds they sleep in.
Republicans have a rally and it's cleaner then when they showed up and they never wet beds.

Bottom line is, if you want the government to take care of you and tell you how to raise your kids and tell you what to do then be a liberal .

Bottom line is, if you are responsible, have integrity, pride, self reliance, don't want a nanny state, don't want to be a bleeding heart bed wetting liberal by all means be a REPUBLICAN .

and if your tired of Brandon Hill wearing sweater vest and bow ties speak out!!!


RE: Drawbacks
By Norseman4 on 6/26/2011 5:27:33 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with most that you have said, but since you use Liberal instead of Democrat, you must use Conservative instead of Republican.

There are centrists in each party. (Lieberman / McCain are just two examples, IMO, maybe Bush, but I think he was left-of-center, as strange as that may sound)

And I know (or at least highly suspect) that the last Republican (Conservative) point is at least partially wrong. (ie. bedwetters)

IMHO:
Republican = Daddy state (Do what I say or else. Authoritarian, with the stick.)
Democrat = "Can we just all get along?" (Rodney King, I salute you with this quote. Appeasers, everyone is equal, no competition is allowed.)
[L]iberal = Mommy state (Do what I say and I'll give you stuff. Authoritarian, with the carrot.)
[C]onservative = My rights stop where your rights begin, and no one has the right to not be offended.
Libertarian = The Constitution (capital 'C') lists all of the Federal government. Period.

For the record, I am a conservative Libertarian. If there were more elected conservatives, I think this country would be better, but I'd really love a lot more Libertarians in office.


RE: Drawbacks
By Norseman4 on 6/26/2011 5:33:39 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with most that you have said, but since you use Liberal instead of Democrat, you must use Conservative instead of Republican.

There are centrists in each party. (Lieberman / McCain are just two examples, IMO, maybe Bush, but I think he was left-of-center, as strange as that may sound)

And I know (or at least highly suspect) that the last Republican (Conservative) point is at least partially wrong. (ie. bedwetters)

IMHO:
Republican = Daddy state (Do what I say or else. Authoritarian, with the stick.)
Democrat = "Can we just all get along?" (Rodney King, I salute you with this quote. Appeasers, everyone is equal, no competition is allowed.)
[L]iberal = Mommy state (Do what I say and I'll give you stuff. Authoritarian, with the carrot.)
[C]onservative = My rights stop where your rights begin, and no one has the right to not be offended.
Libertarian = The Constitution (capital 'C') lists all of the Federal government. Period.

For the record, I am a conservative Libertarian. If there were more elected conservatives, I think this country would be better, but I'd really love a lot more Libertarians in office.


RE: Drawbacks
By Reclaimer77 on 6/23/2011 6:19:56 PM , Rating: 2
I don't know why you think you needed a Motoman attack thrown in there to make your point. You have been fixated a lot with him lately, and it's coming off kinda petty. You can't preach about chivalry and adult conversation one second, then slam someone behind his back just because you don't agree with his views the next.

This is growing tiring. Liberals just hate Fox, that's all this boils down to. They are the only ones I see making disparaging comments toward them. And not ONCE in this entire thread have one of you admitted the hypocrisy of slamming Fox when other networks do the same thing, if not worst.


RE: Drawbacks
By YashBudini on 6/23/2011 8:21:01 PM , Rating: 2
Motoman quotes:

quote:
You are, in fact, a waste of space. Meaning that literally the world would be better off if the space you occupied were simply empty space. Take your moronic non-ideas and non-arguments and shove them some place else.

quote:
Go crawl back under your rock. You're getting your stupid all over the internet.

quote:
You're apparently retarded.

If I'm "petty" then what is he?

He's made himself a solid example of my subject matter. That's not my doing. I'm only the messenger.

Also this is a public thread/forum, how is this "behind his back?" And I never addressed his views, I addressed how he addresses others, and only that. I couldn't care less about his views, which is why I didn't quote any.

On this thread
http://www.dailytech.com/Apples+New+Back+to+School...
The other commentator(s) had to throw their hands up in the air and sound retreat (aka Mission Accomplished!):

quote:
You are dealing with one of the most irrational, out of touch anti-fanboys I've seen on any message board. Deal with him like you'd deal with an angry 4 year old, have a laugh, and move on.

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quote:
And not ONCE in this entire thread have one of you admitted the hypocrisy of slamming Fox when other networks do the same thing, if not worst.

1. 2 wrongs don't make a right.
2. Of all the stations mentioned how many claim "fair and balanced?"

While I do agree that Fox is a neccessary evil I don't see the reason they have to be all Machiavelli about it:
http://www.aeriagloris.com/UnrestrictedWarfare/The...


RE: Drawbacks
By cruisin3style on 6/23/2011 6:59:29 PM , Rating: 2
Absolutely, no documentary can be true because of Michael Moore's pitiful a$$.

Listen to the other commenter, clips from Fox News speak for themselves on occasion.


RE: Drawbacks
By YashBudini on 6/24/2011 4:47:00 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Absolutely, no documentary can be true because of Michael Moore's plentiful a$$.

Fixed it for you, I mean we're talking Jennifer Lopez big, in need of multiple zip codes.


RE: Drawbacks
By YashBudini on 6/23/2011 4:51:42 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm sorry, but people that live life by absolutes are the true morons.


quote:
I'm sorry, but people that live life by absolutes are extremists .


Fixed it for you. And note that such extremists have a lot more in common with the very terrorists (and homegrown hate groups) we're trying to address than to any patriotic citizen.

But change is not possible with this group. O'Reilly and Michelle Bachman no longer playing the "birther" card, but how many other people still believe Oby is foreigner? Can you every change their minds? This is a whole new definition of "hard-wiring."


RE: Drawbacks
By boozee on 6/24/2011 1:03:01 AM , Rating: 2
woah, excellent words to live by :P I wonder how many reads it and actually gets something out of it :P


RE: Drawbacks
By Hiawa23 on 6/23/2011 10:01:39 AM , Rating: 2
I don't watch the news but if I had to I'd rather it be Fox News rather than the drivel that comes out of Chris Matthews mouth. Or any of the other morons on CNN, NBC, or MSNBC.

I watch all the cable channels. Although, my views are more inline with CNN, NBC, MSNBC, I like Bill O'Reilly, & Jeraldo, but can't stand to watch any of the other haters on Fox News.


RE: Drawbacks
By Spuke on 6/23/2011 10:36:27 AM , Rating: 2
That's funny because I think they're all FOS and liars. I don't watch any of them anymore. I want actual news not news colored by their world views, opinions, upbringing, political/social beliefs, or wishes. Until that happens, fuck'em all.


RE: Drawbacks
By YashBudini on 6/23/2011 8:47:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
So you'd rather watch news channels that classified guys like yourself all as baby killers?

Citation please.

Not from the 1960s or 1970s.

Spuke, this is your job, get on the ball already.


RE: Drawbacks
By Misty Dingos on 6/23/11, Rating: 0
RE: Drawbacks
By Hiawa23 on 6/23/2011 9:54:50 AM , Rating: 2
You can bet the C will not look like that or have the wheel package.


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