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Telling users how to remove restraints on consoles they legally own may cost a German man his freedom. But faced with a damning Sony lawsuit, he says the company should "just kill" him as he won't give up his quest to free users.  (Source: Icon Productions/Paramount Pictures)

Those who oppose Sony's tactics are encouraged to support a boycott and/or to donate to Mr. Egorenkov. Anonymous and other groups have also called for ongoing attacks on Sony's online properties in retaliation.  (Source: Google Images)
Sony harassment of the modding/hacking community continues even as it faces a record number of intrusions

People often ask what exactly Sony Corp. (6758) did to convince hackers groups like LulzSec and Anonymous to hack the company 19 times so far [1][2][3][4][5][6][7].  An answer may lie in cases like that of Alexander Egorenkov.

Mr. Egorenkov, a young German and associate of the team of German hardware hackers fail0verflow helped people jailbreak the PlayStation 3 by authoring the "Hypervisor Bible" [torrent] a guide to Sony's PS3 software protection layer.  Mr. Egorenkov, who goes by "graf_chokolo" online, says his goal was simply to allow people to make full use of the hardware they legally bought.

Sony initially encouraged Linux (OtherOS) installs on PS3s, but with the launch of the PS3 Slim killed the support and issued patches that blocked existing machines from utilizing the newly disallowed Linux.

When famed U.S. iPhone hacker George "GeoHot" Hotz and the folks at fail0verflow hacked the PS3 and reallowed Linux via jailbreak, an outraged Sony lashed out.  Harassing Mr. Hotz with court-aided intrusions into his private online accounts, Sony similarly worked to punish Mr. Egorenkov for trying to free users from Sony's restraints.

They convinced German authorities to raid Mr. Egorenkov's home and seize his personal computers and electronics.  They also filed suit against him in Hamburg District Court (Docket no. 310 O 24/11) for 1M € (appr. $1.43M USD) in damages.  The court ordered him to take down any copies of the "Hypervisor Bible".  

Mr. Egorenkov refused to comply.  He uploaded a backup copy of "coolstuff.rar", which Sony's lawyer Peter Ruess says includes "copies, decrypted copies and reverse-engineered information of files belonging to the confidential core firmware used in the PlayStation3 which is distributed by our client."  

Backups were given to friends to prevent Sony's efforts to permanently remove the guide.

Sony motioned for Mr. Egorenkov to be found in violation of court order, which a Hamburg judge affirmed.  A defiant Mr. Egorenkov writes that Sony would have to kill him to keep him silent.  He writes:
The SONY's lawyer asked me why I'm doing what I'm doing, because of my hatred for SONY? He cannot understand why I'm doing it, because he is paid for what he does. I'm not. I don't hold a grudge against SONY even now Hatred clouds your mind, keeps you from more important things. I have a better use for my mind and knowledge.

So, SONY you failed again, you took my equipment but my mind is still free and you canot control it. You failed again. They are just tools, I can get new ones and will continue my HV reversing and bringing back PS3 Linux which you took from us. If you want me to stop then you should just kill me because I cannot live without programming, HV and Linux kernel hacking You know who am I and where I live, so come and get me !!!
(Capitalization edited for readability.)

Well, unlike GeoHot who was fortunate enough to earn a reportedly favorable settlement with Sony, Mr. Egorenkov was not so fortunate.  He's reportedly bankrupt and has been ordered to go to prison in Germany if he can't find a way to pay up for his court costs and damages to Sony.

He writes on his blog:
Hi guys, no money left anymore. Going to jail soon probably because I cannot pay court costs.

But I'm ready to stand up for everything I said and go to jail for that too. It’s not important to win, more important is to show them that we are ready to fight, that they cannot scare me off easily. Yeah, I'm ready to go to jail for my believes and my principles.

Most of people probably think that all computer and kernel hackers are weak kids, hiding in a cellar, eating pizza whole day, writing software and looking for attention Maybe, but that’s NOT me. And I will get out eventually and continue my work. My work means very much to me.
(Capitalization edited for readability.)

People interested in supporting Mr. Egorenkov's efforts to retain his freedom are encouraged to donate here.

It's sad the inconvenience to gamers that the recent attacks on Sony have caused.  But one has to wonder if Sony isn't partially to blame for it, given its belligerent stance towards its most tech-savvy users.

This behavior stands in sharp contrast with rivals Nintendo (TYO:7974) who has long cast a blind eye on jailbreaking and pirated software and Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) who at worst banned modders from using its online service, but more recently has taken a gentler stance working with top Windows Phone 7 jailbreakers to offer a (legal) jailbreak at "a small fee".


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Good
By EricMartello on 6/18/2011 7:26:44 PM , Rating: 5
I respect people who stand up for their beliefs and don't back down in the face of adversity...but what I'm disgusted with is the way "first world" countries believe they have a right to strip away human rights to protect corporate interests. Jail time for enabling linux on a PS3? Really? That's what it boils down to...and for the way Sony is handling this situation I hope they are the target of many more cyber attacks - they deserve every bit of lost revenue and lost customers they are getting.




RE: Good
By MonkeyPaw on 6/18/2011 7:42:22 PM , Rating: 5
The problem is, you can better protest Sony's evil by never buying another product. Sony will always outmuscle individuals by using high priced lawyers, but they can't do one thing about you never buying another product. From what I've seen, no more Sony purchases for me. And that's the other thing, there are many greater injustices than losing OtherOS, and the only way to beat Sony is not buy. Cracking and hacking just makes Sony look like a victim, and no sympathy goes to people who start stealing customer data. That screws everyone, not just Sony. Especially once the legislators have at it. Follow the money!


RE: Good
By Mitch101 on 6/18/2011 9:13:08 PM , Rating: 3
100% with you on that and will add to it my own personal experiences with Sony products.

1 - I dont buy that credit card data was stolen for personal gain. I havent heard of a single case of the Sony Credit Cards stolen being used. I believe that Sony poorly had credit card information within the database that was accessed when the hacking group accessed the customer data. Meaning a Select Star statement grabbed everything but I cant confirm that because Sony will never reveal the details on how poorly they secured information.

2 - Sony has not made a quality product in years. Every product I have purchased that was made by Sony have long since died off or needed repair. That alone has made me swear off purchasing Sony products. Crap in a nice box.

3 - Is the obvious on how insanely poor they treated the community. The PS3 was marketed and sold with Linux as an option but Sony pulled support. Were not talking a large percentage but dont lock them out when you sold it that way. Maybe its not cost effective but when they dropped support I doubt many were buying the PS3 for linux because PC's had far surpassed what a PS3 could do. Drop support when the PS4 arrives.

4 - Again obvious but how poorly Sony didnt secure customer information. Sony leaks almost as bad as the Fukushima reactors every week its a new story that should have been told a week earlier.

5 - Sony is just s shady organization now when they made up fake fans just shows you how low this organization has become.
Sony admits fake fans on ad
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1395063.s...


RE: Good
By chick0n on 6/19/11, Rating: -1
RE: Good
By Mitch101 on 6/19/2011 12:31:54 PM , Rating: 2
Can you provide a link or source verifying the credit cards are being used? I have not heard of any other than you and the other poster. Ive had the same result from a gas station attendant so I am skeptical to the Sony leak.

Im sorry to disappoint you but every Sony product I purchased in the last 10 years has died within 2-2.5 years max. Sony is higher priced than anyone else to begin with so its already a premium to purchase any sony product no matter if its their bottom line you should expect Sony quality as it costs more than most other brands. My Sony DVD player cost $149.00 when you could purchase a DVD player for $50.00. Paying an extra $100 it should have had some quality in there.

Of My friends devices.
Outside of that Sony HDTV dead every year for either fan failure or bulb.

Every Sony DVD players Im aware of unable to read disc errors months to 2 years into device purchase. From single disc to multi readers all junk. Several with failed motors.

Sony VAIO laptop dead hard drive within months to failed video within 2 years. Barely ever moved used as a desktop.

I remember Sony from my childhood where you had to trash or give away the product because it wouldn't die. Sony is another way to spell SH*T today.

If you think I'm just picking on Sony I haven't had much luck with Panasonic products in the last 7-8 years either but havent purchased many of them.


RE: Good
By Mitch101 on 6/19/2011 12:34:58 PM , Rating: 2
Forgot my mother in laws Sony Prosumer digital camera which has been replaced twice because it just dies when you power it on it just blinks. Never been dropped just junk pure junk.


RE: Good
By fhornmikey on 6/19/11, Rating: 0
RE: Good
By Mitch101 on 6/19/2011 3:56:38 PM , Rating: 2
Sony doesnt replace the entire camera TWICE because its batteries are low. I might be inclined to believe the charging circuit went bad on both cameras but suspect it was something deeper.

My buddy Bobby had an issue with horizontal lines on his Sony camera after a year of use and replacing it from a previous Sony that stopped working. He bought a Sony again because he had a few of their proprietary memory cards. Normally you replace a digital camera because the new technology has more to offer not because it fails.

I will admit my PS2 still works but thats the only device that survived of them all but it will fail eventually its what sony products do and if I want to play the games Im going to need another.

But lets add two people I know with PSP's that stopped reading discs. One person said he barely used it because the games never delivered.

If it were just a few devices or just my own devices I might agree that its just a fluke but a good 90% of the failed components Ive seen through myself, friends, and family in the last 10 years have almost all been Sony. Thats not a fluke the company just doesnt care because people will call it a fluke and buy Sony again. Some because they locked themselves in with that proprietary memory they sell.

I certainly hope you dont experience the amount of failure Ive seen in Sony products being as invested as you are.

One thing I learned is if a company produces a product everyone else does but adds a proprietary level to them like Sony Memory stick just stay away from them entirely. They get you to buy and you lock yourself in with the proprietary investment and before you know it your stuck with that company because of the proprietary accessories. Just stay away from companies like this. Its less incentive for them to make quality components because they know your invested/locked in.


RE: Good
By chick0n on 6/19/2011 10:29:56 PM , Rating: 1
I hate to say it but people love to blame the fault back to the manufacture when it's actually the user who broke the item.

I have a Sony camera, i forgot the model but it was a 7 mega pixel one. It has been super durable and I got it for maybe 6-7 years and I dropped it like at least 20 times. one time it fell into my sink (my mistake), it shut off of course, I took the battery out, left it on my air purifier which is pretty much on 24/7. about 2 days later. Whoa, it came back to life.

I got 2 PS, 2 PS2, 2 PS3, 3 TV including 2 HDTV and one CRT from like 15 years ago, DVD player, Discman, Walkman, and all other weird stuff. still works.

Luck ? maybe. but I take good care of my stuff, Sony or not. YMMV ?


RE: Good
By Strunf on 6/20/2011 8:14:44 AM , Rating: 2
The proprietary memory argument is a non-issue, memory keep getting faster and bigger, usually people that buy a new camera also buy the memory for it cause new camera = more pixels, hence bigger files and if you want to make movies you need a fast and bigger memory card anyway. Also if you want to sell or give your old camera you include the memory card in it...


RE: Good
By Uncle on 6/19/2011 2:02:33 PM , Rating: 2
Sony is trying to be like apple in the electronics field. Years ago sony had QC, not anymore. Their on par with E-machines but not quite as reliable.LOL and any other third tier products. Can't wait for them to go under, so we can all go "told you so".


RE: Good
By abhaxus on 6/19/2011 5:58:07 PM , Rating: 2
You are either lying, or have the worst luck I have ever heard of when dealing with a major electronics brand.

Like them or not (and actions like this certainly don't make me want to support them), Sony is a reliable and innovative brand. The only brands I can think of off the top of my head that have had better reliability in my 5 years of managing an electronics store are Panasonic and Sharp. I never recommend to people to buy Samsung products with moving parts, or LG plasma TVs, or anything from JVC or Philips. But I own or have used Sony products continuously in store demo situations and can say 100% that I've never seen a Sony TV or computer fail in an environment when they are left on 12 hours per day, 365 days a year. Can't say that for any other brand (other than Panasonic). Samsung blu-ray and DVD players are notorious for being horrible products, the only category Sony dabbles in in CE that I wouldn't buy are their HTIB produts with built in BD or DVD drives.

I'm sorry you had horrible luck, but to say that Sony makes horrible products is really outlandish. That's like saying you aren't satisfied with the quality of Macallan 18 year single malt. What are your standards?


RE: Good
By Bad-Karma on 6/20/2011 3:24:04 AM , Rating: 2
I used to be a firm believer in Sony's ES line of AV gear. But I had two multichannel amps go out within a year or two of their purchase. One just up and failed, the other had a relay that would start rapid switching all on its own. It would just start switching from static & segmented audio about every 1/8 of a second, Wouldn't recover until the unit was powered off and completely cooled down.

Had a 5-disc DVD player die just outside of a year of purchase; tray actuator failed.

When digital cameras first hit the seen my wife picked up a Sony Mavica at the AAFEs in Ramstein (remember the 3.5" floppy model!). 3 months of use and the LCD went almost completely dark. Couldn't use it and Sony refused to cover it under warranty.

The first Amp was replaced under warranty, the second (the replacement) became fodder for my Mossberg. The DVD changer and the Camera went to the local landfill.

Sony conned me out of enough of my cash, they are banned from my household.

However, I still have a couple of Discmans laying around in storage from when I used to deploy a lot in the 90s. I'm pretty sure they still work. Although I doubt I have any actual music CDs left anywhere in my collection!


RE: Good
By Strunf on 6/20/2011 7:59:50 AM , Rating: 2
SONY products have never failed me, my SONY DCR-PC110 bought in 2001 still works fine, the battery however only lasts 10min now... my Cyber-Shot PSC-P150 from 2004 is also just like new!

Also you say your VAIO had its hard drive dead, SONY doesn't make hard drives... not finding them excuses, its just a fact that hard drive fail, I had drives from samsung, wd and maxtor fail me, only Seagate drives haven't... yet!


RE: Good
By nikon133 on 6/20/2011 2:01:51 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sorry but your experience in this case is only anecdotal. For example, my Panasonic stereo died within a week of purchase...so I should come to conclusion Panasonic is crap. But than again, replacement stereo is working fine for years, likewise my two Lumix cameras. Neither experience is enough to prove specific brand's build quality.

Within people I know, there are more than few Bravia TVs, Sony audio/video appliances, Vaio computers, gaming consoles and cameras. We are all tech people (mostly IT) and discuss tech gadgets more often than not... And Sony is well regarded, but such is Samsung, LG, Pana, Toshiba. And my Sony experience is just fine, everything Sony I have (laptop, PS2, PSP, PS3) are not giving me any grief.

All this negativity towards Sony is getting old and tired. I'm not supporting many of their policies, but then again I'm not madly in love with MS, Apple, Samsung (with their Android updates, for example) or any other big corporation. At the end of the day, they are all very similar, following their own guidelines for biggest possible profit. Only difference is, some are more successful, some are less.


RE: Good
By Ricky Williams on 6/19/2011 1:10:39 AM , Rating: 1
I know for a fact that not only did the hackers get credit card numbers, but they are actually printing and selling/using these credit cards, of course you won't hear this from Sony because it opens them up to more liability or from the banks because they are scared to death of not just this attack but multiple data thefts from virtually all the major banks in the past year and don't want to invoke customer hysteria and lose of business. You need to grow up and stop letting your hatred for Sony cloud your views, all companies used actors and fake testimonals in commericials if you are just now realizing this you are awfully gullible. If you honestly think people that hacked Sony didn't do it for personal gain but are some noble hackers standing up for the common man, well the word moron comes to mind but that would be quite an understatement.


RE: Good
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/2011 3:23:10 PM , Rating: 2
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1 - I dont buy that credit card data was stolen for personal gain.


What's it matter? They still stole it, there's no excuse. Yeah if I was someone that had their credit card information stolen my hackers, I would sure sleep better at night knowing it wasn't for "personal gain"?? Get out of town, man! Poor security isn't an excuse either. Just because I think your locks aren't that great, doesn't mean it's ok for me to bash them and break in.

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2 - Sony has not made a quality product in years. Every product I have purchased that was made by Sony have long since died off or needed repair. That alone has made me swear off purchasing Sony products. Crap in a nice box.


I think you are talking about Apple? I can't rationally go along with this. Their TV sets are as good as it gets, and their high-end (expensive) lines of audio and video equipment are top notch.

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5 - Sony is just s shady organization now when they made up fake fans just shows you how low this organization has become.


Is this a joke? Companies have been using paid actors for fan "testimonials" since the freaking radio was invented. Come on, you're being silly now.


RE: Good
By someguy123 on 6/18/2011 9:30:59 PM , Rating: 2
I do agree that that is one step, but the public is oblivious and needs ridiculous stories like this before they stop giving sony their money.

It's difficult to convince people to stop supporting companies like this without big headlines.


RE: Good
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/2011 3:27:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I do agree that that is one step, but the public is oblivious and needs ridiculous stories like this before they stop giving sony their money.


Because the "public" are just regular people who want a Blu-Ray player they can enjoy games on? That the public, in fact, is NOT made up of idealistic teenagers with some silly notion of taking on the world over a console. Most people have, you know, jobs and families to worry about. Not how they are going to "hack" Linux on a game console.

quote:
It's difficult to convince people to stop supporting companies like this without big headlines.


Right, they should go to Joe's Console Shack down the street and buy his homemade console that can play games and Blu-Ray's instead of Sony's.


RE: Good
By infidel01 on 6/19/2011 2:11:48 PM , Rating: 2
What, how is ignoring the problem the better solution? Your like the kid on the play ground who gets things thrown at him, but just turns around and looks the other way.


RE: Good
By Gondor on 6/19/2011 4:54:25 PM , Rating: 1
Right you are. Man bought a product and tweaked it to his desires. If you went and bought (say) a car, then tuned it to gfet moe HP or to run on LPG or whatever, its manufacturer has exacty nothing against yiou. They might not support your "modding", your actions might void the guarantee but in the end you're free to do whatever you please with your propery - heck, you could just torch your car if you felt it would look better that way. Yes, maybe converting your gas-guzzler to LPG might make the manufacturer look silly, yes perhaps getting 150 extra HP out of that same engine might make the manufacturer look silly, yes perhaps something else you do with THE PRODUCT YOU BOUGHT might make the manufacturer look silly, but ultimately that's a personal decision. It's not as if the manufacturer couldn't make a better product - they simply chose not to, for whatever reasons.

Just who exactly does Sony think they are ? They are in the business of selling products. Their customers paid whatever they are charging for their products. They are using the products they now own in whatever way suits them. What's that got to do with Sony ? They chose to cancel Linux support on PS3. Fine, that's their perogative. But if/when a user finds a way to reinstate Linux support, in spite of Sony's efforts, that has nothing to do with them (except that it goes to show just how inept Sony's engineers really are - if you want to do something, do it right the first time).

I hope mr. Egorenkov gets out of this mess unharmed, with no finacial (or other) implications. I also hope Sony gets bitchslapped by some court big time for their bullying tactics (just like M$ did). They aren't the be-all and end-all of the electronics industry so such practices will only harm them in the long run.


RE: Good
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/2011 3:32:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Just who exactly does Sony think they are ? They are in the business of selling products. Their customers paid whatever they are charging for their products. They are using the products they now own in whatever way suits them. What's that got to do with Sony ? They chose to cancel Linux support on PS3. Fine, that's their perogative. But if/when a user finds a way to reinstate Linux support, in spite of Sony's efforts, that has nothing to do with them (except that it goes to show just how inept Sony's engineers really are - if you want to do something, do it right the first time).


Is it SO hard to figure out? They don't want their PS3's being used to play/stream/upload etc etc pirated media. Which, if we were really honest with ourselves, we would admit is the primary reason anyone would want Linux on a PS3 in the first place.

They were probably pushed or leaned on by the RIAA or somebody to remove the OtherOS feature. Wouldn't surprise me one bit.


RE: Good
By The0ne on 6/20/2011 4:31:12 PM , Rating: 2
Yea, seriously. Linux users are all hackers and pirates! I mean come on, how many kids know how to use Linux in the first place. So that means anyone smart enough or brave enough to tackle Linux is a scum in their own right.

And lets not forget these ahole hackers and programmers "claiming" to like what they do. Seriously who the fck loves programming (I do, so I'm a ahole by right)? And who loves programming and loves doing at work and then bringing it home (again, me..damn I suck).

Come on DT members, suck it up and protest to ban this malevolent trade that is programming! It's nothing but pure evil like Scientology. You are so damn right, it surely isn't hard to figure out why people would want something they own to do what they want with it.

Let's both pray that when you try to show your kids that a hot wheels car can be fun off the tracks that you don't get sue as well.


RE: Good
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/2011 4:50:55 PM , Rating: 2
Way to put words in my mouth? Please, spare me the melodrama.

Programming? Why would a Linux based PS3 be the best, or even as good, of a programming platform compared to a PC?

Your argument has no merit. If Sony thought "programming" was all people would use it for, they never would have removed the OtherOS feature. It's not hard to figure out.


RE: Good
By The0ne on 6/20/2011 11:40:17 PM , Rating: 2
Of course it's not hard to figure out. Consumers are stupid aholes. Didn't you hear a word I said. And to bring you back to topic of PS3, why wouldn't anyone that knows how not do it? It's great hardware for the money...hell, it's a bargain outright! You play games, movies, steam movies, have it as a server, play music and you know that thing where tons of PS3 compute stuff. That sht should totally be ban!

But again you're right. Sony knows for sure consumers are aholes and uses their products for illegal purposes, all of them in fact. What were they thinking giving people a taste of what they could have and them blamed them for having to take the very "feature" away.

Btw, if it's not programming...what else is there to do with a PS3? Cup holder? Yea...thought so. This isn't melodrama, it's me supporting your opinions clear and through. I just wanted to make sure we're on the same page. I really really wish I was Sony. With this kind of thinking and getting away with them with consumers like you, there's no telling what I do. I'll probably turn into a Steve Jobs or something!


RE: Good
By The0ne on 6/21/2011 12:02:33 AM , Rating: 2
You know what, I couldn't stop laughing so I'll end it here. You're not ever going to convince someone like me to NOT tinker with things I paid for and rightly own. It doesn't matter if Sony doesn't know about it, knows about it and bans the practice, I will tinker with my gadgets. Hey, I'm a fcking engineer, sue me for wanting to break or enhance my own stuff. What I do shouldn't be none of your damn concern or right to ban, whether you're aware of it or not.

I repeat the last term because there are lots of stuff people do with their own gadgets that were not part of the companys "features."


RE: Good
By Reclaimer77 on 6/21/2011 1:31:33 PM , Rating: 1
I'm not a "consumer". I don't own a PS3, I'm a PC nut. Consoles can't do anything for me that I can't already do sitting here. And I love to tinker too, that's why I build my own machines instead of calling Dell or whoever.

You can do what you want to the PS3, put Linux on it, I don't care. Again, Sony only made this decision because some asshole ruined it for everyone and used the OtherOS feature to jailbreak the PS3. Which is clearly illegal.

A federal judge already slapped down the lawsuit for killing Linux in the PS3. Just in case you didn't know. Since you simply refuse to accept the legal side of this debate. It's called the Computer Fraud and Abuse act, maybe look it up.

Also people KNOWINGLY accepted a firmware update that removed OtherOS. How is that Sony's fault again?


RE: Good
By TSS on 6/20/2011 7:39:36 AM , Rating: 3
The trick isn't voting with your money, it's voting with other people's money. I didn't spend a dime on Modern Warfare 2, because it has no dedicated servers. It still became the best selling game ever. If i where activision i definitly wouldn't include dedicated servers anymore. What did my vote do? Nothing.

Voting only works if you share the oppinion of the majority. If the majority thinks sony's network is secure they will buy sony regardless of what you do. If somebody keeps hacking sony and publicly announcing they have, the majority won't think it's safe anymore and stop spending money.

Maybe that's not fair but it's more fair then leaving people in ignorance so they buy more of your crap.

I'd rather the hackers publish everything they've stolen then quietly selling the information.


RE: Good
By The0ne on 6/20/2011 4:39:40 PM , Rating: 2
He probably hasn't thought deeper about his answer. Kids nowadays use these same statement whenever they feel cornered without any other reasons why they should not support a company. By all means do it but realize that you should also voice your opinion so that some poor hapless kid down the block from you doesn't get the same crap or worse he/she unknowingly supports the company by continuing to buy their crappy products.

So yea, while you are doing your own thing with your wallet realize that you can also do yourself a favor by making it known and getting supporters. Otherwise, no one cares what you do because no one knows. Kinda like you coming here to read news and making an opinion on them. If you didn't read any sht you would've bought a PS3 or something.


RE: Good
By KOOLTIME on 6/23/2011 2:21:50 PM , Rating: 2

Database info releasing to public on hacked business goes well beyond just some hacker trying to harm said company A B or C.

Now every dirt bag in the world has personal info of innocent people that have never harmed anyone.

Hack a company you dont like get that point, but releasing customer info databases to public for other criminals to access, goes outside of the company, now you just involved everyone else's names in the problem, that are innocent.

Millions of customers Have to pay allot in credit / legal recovery time and costs due to these types of people. The cost in loss is not just Sony alone anymore, when these jerks give out company database customer info to public and think they are being justified in some absurd fashion because they hate a company for some reason or another.


RE: Good
By Sahrin on 6/18/2011 11:15:06 PM , Rating: 4
Agree. The notion that a person can go to jail for publishing a software/hardware specification is absolutely ridiculous. He's not leaking customer information that doesn't belong to him, or endagering anyone's life, or even stealing money with his 'hacking' efforts. Literally, all this guy has ever done is create his *own* softare. It's not like he's running a Bittorrent site or some shit.

Fuck you, Sony. I will never buy a Sony product until they use the same legal muscle they used to create this mess to fix it.

Also, Fuck anonymous and Lulzsec. Two assholes don't make a right.


RE: Good
By snakeInTheGrass on 6/19/2011 11:02:26 AM , Rating: 3
The whole 'legal' system is screwed anyways. This guy goes to jail for telling people how to re-enable an OS install that was available when he purchased his system, and when he can't pay the court costs they're going to throw him in jail. Um, last time I checked, won't that cost the public even more money? So the solution to having driven him to bankruptcy is to have the public fund a prison to incarcerate him? WTF?

But then again, I was just reading about the re-privatization of prisons and jails in the U.S. That's really scary stuff - for-profit slave labor, only 'better' than what China is doing in the sense that it's here in the U.S. and therefore completely above reproach because it's 'capitalism'. As soon as you make incarceration a for-profit business you're just asking for trouble, as was clearly seen in the past already.


RE: Good
By The0ne on 6/20/2011 4:33:25 PM , Rating: 2
Don't bring up prison reforms, nothing is final and there's a lot of money to be had in this area, not to mention the precious lives that could be endangered if some ahole politician or lobbyist group has it their way.

Stick with this Sony crap, it's less evil.


RE: Good
By Breathless on 6/19/2011 10:41:58 PM , Rating: 2
It would have sounded cooler if the last thing you said was:

"The buttholes don't make a flower" :)


RE: Good
By icanhascpu on 6/18/2011 11:41:42 PM , Rating: 5
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Jail time for enabling linux on a PS3? Really? That's what it boils down to

Agreed. People can argue all the points in the world but this is what it is, simple and clean, incorruptibly.

Anyone remember the Boting with World of Warcraft thing? You can get fined for running a bot like that in any of their games now. Seriously who the fuck is to tell me what I can or cant run on my computer that simply changeshow a VIDEO GAME works? BAN people, good! Make it illegal? Fuck that. But I wont tell you how I REALLY feel. ;)

Fuck them for thinking EULA agreements are the LAW, fuck these people, fuck these high-horse corporations, fuck these judges and fuck all the conflict of interest glad-hands etching away at even the smallest of our freedoms; because the bigger ones are next.

YOU should be mad too. Apathy is their chief weapon! Apathy and fear...fear and apathy.... Their two weapons are fear and apathy...and ruthless efficiency.... Their * three * weapons are fear, apathy, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to corrupt judges.... Their * four *...no... * Amongst * their weapons.... Amongst their weaponry...are such elements as fear, apathy....

I'll come in again.

(ps, fuck DT for still giving auto -1 for naughty words, i rather get -1 from a real person that hates my stupid posts guts)


RE: Good
By bupkus on 6/19/2011 10:44:34 PM , Rating: 2
Not only will I never buy Sony again but the one Sony product I do own is going back to COSTCO. My wife says we can because of the guarantee. Good. Maybe I'll even boycott movies made by Sony Pictures Entertainment. Most movies suck anyway.

I can't express how much I disapprove of corporations and their abusive influence through scum sucking politicians. Nuff said.

Hang in there, dude. I think I'll empty my PayPal account with a donation.


RE: Good
By Gondor on 6/20/2011 4:49:14 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I got downrated for that too. Wouldn't want to post how I REALLY feel about corporate bullying :)


RE: Good
By Miggleness on 6/19/2011 12:32:23 AM , Rating: 3
You're right. I would compare that to the how come communist communities arrest/harrass people who speak against their government.


RE: Good
By jamesjwb on 6/19/2011 6:58:17 AM , Rating: 2
You mean dictatorial, not communist. Just because a nation labels itself as communist doesn't mean they are. Almost all of them are dictatorships, and this is where this behaviour stems from, not communism.


RE: Good
By drewsup on 6/19/2011 9:16:01 AM , Rating: 1
Not all dictators are communists, but ALL communist countries end up as Dictatorial in the end, show me any that haven't. And I don't give a crap about socialist countries, they are not communist.
In the end, any human given total control of a people, will become corrupt, or be overthrown by people who ARE corrupt, because the straight leader will be weak. It's human nature unfortunately.


RE: Good
By name99 on 6/19/2011 2:55:15 PM , Rating: 2
Kerala in India?


RE: Good
By grvpuri on 6/19/11, Rating: 0
RE: Good
By rpsgc on 6/19/2011 6:32:39 AM , Rating: 5
And I'm pretty sure the EULA is NOT law.


RE: Good
By Topweasel on 6/19/2011 8:19:54 AM , Rating: 3
Also pretty sure that i am buying hardware with the PlayStation 3 not a license. That right there should stop most of this here in the US. We already have the courts saying that jail breaking/rooting is legal, this should follow closely.


RE: Good
By bug77 on 6/19/11, Rating: 0
RE: Good
By EricMartello on 6/19/2011 4:29:08 PM , Rating: 4
Actually the EULA thing has already been tried in court and failed - it is NOT ENFORCEABLE. You cannot package a contract into a product without first showing the contract to the other party and having them agree to it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrink_wrap_contract

Yeah the whole idea of EULA is "Let me take your money...and after you've paid in full AND opened the product you're bound to this contract that I hid in the box."

So don't sit there and talk about contract law like you got a clue because you don't.


RE: Good
By Breathless on 6/19/2011 10:47:43 PM , Rating: 1
Bug, you just got owned


RE: Good
By gorehound on 6/19/11, Rating: 0
RE: Good
By KFZ on 6/19/2011 11:56:21 AM , Rating: 3
Don't like how a company treats you? You have the right to never buy from them ever again. What's disgusting are people like you and those that rated you up that think anarchist war over a fucking game console is a holy war to preserve some false sense of freedom from tyranny. Get off your high horses, you all need to get real.


RE: Good
By EricMartello on 6/19/2011 4:36:18 PM , Rating: 2
Nah bro, you're obviously missing the point. It's not about fighting a war about the game console. It's about standing up for your principles and rights against governmental corruption and greed.

What is boycotting going to do for the people that already paid for their PS3, which was originally sold as supporting "otherOS". Nothing. That is why Sony is getting pwned by hackers...although in the long run the hacking may not shut Sony down but it does send a clear message.

You say they need to get real but you're the one living in delusion. You go ahead and stay inside your bubble while more of your personal freedoms are eroded and political corruption controlled by corporate greed. It's not just the PS3, it's the government supporting laws and actions that ARE NOT in the best interests of its people. That is the fundamental issue here.


RE: Good
By BZDTemp on 6/19/2011 12:38:07 PM , Rating: 1
It's easy to over simplify things but fact is the fool did much more than enable Linux on his PS3. What he and the other idiots did was open up the platform to all sorts of abuse and make damn sure to tell the whole world about it.

Thanks to those idiots we now have to live with possible on-line cheating and since piracy tends to hurt niche products more than the big titles we are also likely to see fever small original titles on the platform.

Had they just made the PS3 run Linux then fine but they did so much more and this idiot is even worse. Free speech should be used for something important not lame self promoting which hurts us all. The whole "Sony must kill me..." is just so lame.


RE: Good
By infidel01 on 6/19/2011 2:55:49 PM , Rating: 3
"Free speech should be used for something important not lame self promoting which hurts us all."

So its not free speech unless its your speech? or atleast something YOU like. Good to know. I agree with some of what you said, what they did has negitive effects, however sony set up the rules of this situation. Perhaps they could both take responsibility for the actions. Sony shouldn't sell us a spoon and be able to say we can't use it to cut things.


RE: Good
By BZDTemp on 6/20/2011 1:33:42 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
So its not free speech unless its your speech? or atleast something YOU like. Good to know.


That is not what I said. My point is simply the fight for free speech is to about so much more than some fool wanting to be famous.

Of course anyone is entitled to speak their mind however if there is no such thing as privacy and trade secrets then we will have a big mess.

quote:
I agree with some of what you said, what they did has negitive effects, however sony set up the rules of this situation. Perhaps they could both take responsibility for the actions. Sony shouldn't sell us a spoon and be able to say we can't use it to cut things.
In principle I agree only the down side to making the PS3 a totally open platform are rather obvious but ignored by the hacker fans.

1. The Linux thing. Yes it was a feature that is no longer there. However hardly anyone used it and I'm willing to bet most of those crying out about the feature being removed certainly did not. Also I haven't heard anyone complaining the option was not available on the Xbox 360 (or the XBOX for that matter).

2. Consoles are subsidized machines. No wonder the console makers are not happy to see them used for anything but what they allow. We all know this when we buy the things so for the thing to be locked down can be no surprise. Don't like it then don't buy.

3. Going after Sony is gunning for the wrong target. Yes, they took something away we had (but didn't use) and yes, they went after some fools that wanted their 15 minutes of fame. But Sony did not make the rules the the politicians we all elected did.

4. Microsoft is much worse than Sony. We bitch about what Sony took away when in reality Microsoft gave us much less in the first place. The PS3, just as the PS2 before that, is a much more open platform than the XBOX 360 and the XBOX. Sony supports open standards like blue-tooth, DLNA, standard hard drives, PC accessories like my G25 wheel ... with Microsoft every thing I needed for the thing cost an extra tax to Microsoft. Which ones of the machines comes with a web browser? And which of the machines require you pay a monthly subscription?

Sony may not be all we would like them to be but they are much less evil than others so why go after the semi-good guys when Evil Inc. is present.


RE: Good
By wallijonn on 6/20/2011 5:24:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Sony did not make the rules - the politicians we all elected did.


Probably not. As a media conglomerate they probably have lobbyists that bribed their vote. Technically you are correct - the politicians we elected voted laws that favoured the media conglomerates. But they didn't do it because We The People asked them to. Not to worry, lobbying has been going on since Samuel Adam's day - when he railed against them.


RE: Good
By MastermindX on 6/19/2011 2:30:03 PM , Rating: 2
For some reasons, I don't think the jail time was because he allowed people to install linux on their PS3. I think it has more to do with the fact he published reverse engineered trade secrets from Sony.


RE: Good
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/2011 3:09:53 PM , Rating: 2
I think you people are idiots. It's a video game system, hello? It's just not worth going to jail over or being fined. I think us adults came to grips with the fact that you can't always use something you buy the way you want to. Sony isn't "harassing" anyone, despite Mick's sensationalized anti-Sony campaign. Where are the articles about Apple "harassing" iPhone jailbreakers? Come on.

If running Linux means THAT much to these morons, they can use a PC. Nobody NEEDS Linux on a PS3. It's only use would be to break media protection and everyone knows it, let's get real here.

Eric, you speaking on here about "rights" is almost comical. You're a racist bigot who's made constant posts about how certain people should just "die" if they are a certain color or ethnicity. You shouldn't even be allowed to post here.


RE: Good
By KOOLTIME on 6/23/2011 1:30:17 PM , Rating: 2
You are incorrect, he simply dint JB the PS3 with linux, he also released company personal property to the public, and personal info of customers.

You dont own a business obviously so dont understand the damage or costs associated when a person does this to a company.

How much much it costs when suddenly alot of customers call on the phone for problems to their accounts or personal info getting public released without their consent to a company.

This guy dint hack his PS3 n sit at home for fun for himself, if he did that nothing would have happens and this would not be news. He braking into customer info, and released company private designs of their systems. Proprietary designs.

Go build something and sell it, then give the designs free to the world, see how much sales you do once that happens, you will get low to no sales, as people will use the design themselves for free vs buying it from you know that they have this free info. Everyone is a cheapskate in life and wants free value for themselves if this was not true, the word THIEF would never exsist. Which is why companies dont give out their designs to competition, so they can make sales to even pay their workers and stay in business in the 1st place.


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