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2012 Ford Fusion Hybrid

2012 Ford Mondeo
Ford looks to get a boost thanks to lithium-ion batteries

It's no secret that all auto manufactures are looking to boost the fuel efficiency of their vehicles thanks to looming CAFE requirements. Companies are looking at a wide variety of options from diesels to hybrids to fully electric vehicles to downsized gasoline engines with turbochargers. 

Ford is using traditional, naturally aspirated engines in the subcompact Fiesta and compact Focus to achieve roughly 30 mpg in the city and around 40 mpg on the highway. Likewise, the current generation Fusion Hybrid is no slouch either, with a city rating of 41 mpg and a highway rating of 36 mpg. 

However, according to Ford Inside News, Ford is looking to boost the city fuel economy of the next generation Fusion Hybrid to as high as 48 mpg. That would put it within striking distance of the eccentric Toyota Prius, which is rated at 51 mpg in the city. There's no word on how much the highway fuel economy will increase, but we'd guess that an even 40 mpg isn't out of reach. 

Ford should be able to hit these fuel economy targets thanks to a new lithium-ion battery pack which will replace the existing nickel-metal hydride (NiMH) unit. The lithium-ion battery pack should be lighter and more compact, which should help keep overall weight down and reclaim some cargo space (the current Fusion Hybrid has a mere 11.8 cu ft of trunk space compared to 16.5 cu ft for its non-hybrid counterpart).

The next generation Fusion is expected to be unveiled at the 2012 Detroit Auto Show and will go on sale shortly thereafter. The 2013 Fusion will be a unifying design as it will replace both the North American Fusion and the Mondeo which is sold in Europe.



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RE: Fusion is sweet
By Pirks on 6/14/2011 10:55:14 AM , Rating: -1
quote:
it's a get vehicle
Found On the Road Dead or Fix Or Repair Daily? Nah, I'd rather stay out of it for now and see if their long term reliability is going to hold up as good as Toyota's. Toyotas run for 15-20 years w/o a problem while Fords used to start falling apart after 8 years, so I'd rather wait, who knows if Ford is same crap long term or they got significantly better and indeed will start to fall apart no earlier than in 20 years just like Toyotas.

Besides they deprecate like hell compared to nice well maintained Toyotas so you'd save some hefty money if you buy Toyota, maintain it well and then resell it after like 15-20 years. You'll still get some $$$ for it while 20 year old Ford will require paying the customer so that he takes it away from your driveway :P

Anyway, no matter how good the Ford quality became their deprecation rate is atrocious compared to Toyota, and IF it gets better (that's a big "if" but this is possible) it will take about 10-20 years from now to improve. Deprecation rate is earned by DECADES of flawless quality and reliability and Ford has a LONG road ahead to earn it. Deprecation is a b1tch. Can't tackle it quick no matter who you are.

I've seen a few 20 year old Camrys my friends drive with their families, and I've seen a few old Fords that suddenly lost their steering or stalled on a highway, almost killing the families inside 'em. Not a pretty sight. Another thing: a friend of mine got Dodge Caliber last year, brand new, now he wakes up one morning and car wouldn't start, he calls mechanic, mechanic arrives and figures out some screw holding a battery wire just fell away... there ya go, car started to fall apart after ONE YEAR :))) After these stories from my friends I don't trust Ford and any other American brand. I only got excellent experience with Toyotas (mine, my bro's and a few of my friends', an assortment of Camrys, a Matrix and an Echo). Toyota rox, American brands sux but I'm monitoring Ford closely, seeing if the deprecation rate will go down and long term reliability goes up after all... Ford, the only American brand worth monitoring, IMHO.


RE: Fusion is sweet
By therealnickdanger on 6/14/2011 11:10:33 AM , Rating: 2
Pfft, Toyotas are terrible. Volvos are the way to go. Volvos run for 30-40 years w/o problems while Toyotas start falling apart after 15-20 years... *tongue in cheek*

Don't be an arse. Like computers, most problems stem from the user. Improper maintenance and stressing it too much will greatly reduce its lifespan and the parts within it.


RE: Fusion is sweet
By Pirks on 6/14/11, Rating: -1
RE: Fusion is sweet
By Targon on 6/14/2011 1:18:04 PM , Rating: 2
Look up, a big part of the issue is how well or poorly a vehicle is treated. I had a 2001 Focus ZX3 that I picked up used back in 2004, and the previous owner really treated it HORRIBLY from some of the issues I had with it when I first got it. In spite of those problems, it did the job until I traded it on on a 2012 Focus SEL.

Now, if the original owner treated it well and did proper maintenance, and if I wasn't so annoyed at the problems I had from the start that I didn't do proper maintenance, then it would easily have lasted me for another five years. As the first owner on my 2012, I am making sure to treat it well, so I have no doubt that it will last 15 years if not longer. Technology improvements MAY make me want to trade it in at some point, but this car really feels like it will last.


RE: Fusion is sweet
By Pirks on 6/14/11, Rating: -1
RE: Fusion is sweet
By Samus on 6/14/2011 1:57:34 PM , Rating: 2
Because of the way import/export tariffs influence imported vehicles, it costs manufacturers approximately $4,000 more per vehicle to build them here opposed to importing them.

That's why the Japanese have an edge, and that is also why their trucks, which are assembled in San Antonio, TX, can't compete with the F150 or any other truck on price:profit, that and the Tundra is crap. The Tacoma on the other hand.,,

Depreciation aside, I've always felt it is better in the long run to buy American, because the maintenance is cheaper, parts are readily available, and historically mechanics know how to work on them because they are more common designs. Of course with Toyota's Camry over the last decade, that doesn't hold completely true as it is a simple design and there are millions of working examples of them, but even still, my Mom had to wait 5 weeks to get a replacement power seat motor for her Camry last year...and my friend Matt is STILL waiting on his Scion xB rims he ordered in May that have been delayed from the Tsunami disaster.

I can walk into a Ford dealer and pickup any sensor, pigtail connector or virtually any non-body panel or custom order part for less than Toyota would charge for their Denso-equivilent and make me wait 1-2 weeks for.


RE: Fusion is sweet
By Dr of crap on 6/14/2011 2:04:25 PM , Rating: 2
Your ability to take the counter point and smash other views is just great isn't it??

And your fixation on deprecation is way more than the norm. I don't care how much the car is worth after 10 years. It's basically saving money at that point since its paid for and only costs when a repair is needed.

And If you are fixed on buying OLD cars, an old Ford would, by your postings, cost you less. Even if you had a few repairs to make!

Then again I'd go for a 3 year old car and NOT have any problems for years!
As my past 6 cars have been to me!

Care to rave about Apple as well, while you scream at us with your twisted views?


RE: Fusion is sweet
By Samus on 6/14/2011 11:57:06 PM , Rating: 1
I've driven American cars all my life, and I've never been stranded once. I can't say the same for a lot of friends of mine that own Honda's and Hyundai's.

Although the problem with people who buy Import cars is that, like you, they have this mentality they are more reliable and fail to properly maintain them. It always bites them in the ass.

My sister has a Hyundai Elantra and she brags about how reliable it is and how she never puts any money into it and it just keeps going. I keep telling her get ready to put a lot of money into it REAL soon.

And how dare you compare general "American" cars to you buddy's Dodge, everybody knows Chrysler's are shitboxes, why else would they have married the shitboxes of Italy, Fiat? :)


RE: Fusion is sweet
By Dr of crap on 6/15/2011 8:45:57 AM , Rating: 2
Hey, so when did I crap down your thoat?
GM, Chrysler, Ford, Toyota, Honda, they are all the same.
Each has it's flaws, and each will last as long as the owner keeps it running.

The fact that you have loyality to one brand means you haven't discovered this yet!


RE: Fusion is sweet
By Solandri on 6/14/2011 5:34:49 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
when I see American brands that my friends own holding up as good as Toyotas from my family and others,

You don't want to be looking for the number of cars that are holding up. You want to be looking for the rate at which cars are breaking down. Having 5 friends with 1995 Toyotas and 2 friends with 1995 Fords still running doesn't mean the Fords are less reliable. If in 1995, 15 of your friends bought Toyotas while only 5 bought Fords, it would actually mean the Fords have been more reliable.


RE: Fusion is sweet
By mosu on 6/14/2011 4:35:34 PM , Rating: 2
For a while, Volvo was a rebranded european Ford with some fine tuning,so you can see Ford last longer. Now, Volvo is a chinese brand.


RE: Fusion is sweet
By vtohthree on 6/14/2011 11:28:14 AM , Rating: 2
Though I would have agreed a few years back, to be fair... I'd say Ford has really been improving over the years, back in the 80's my father exclusively bought Ford's, and most of them seemed to need a major rehaul under the hood around 70-80k miles(on one of them the engine block cracked on a cold start up)...of course every auto maker seemed to have a gem or two in their fleet(the ranger seemed to be one of them), but all the club wagons and E350's we had did have quite a few problems under the hood, yes you could fix it to keep them running but it was costly to maintain.. which Japanese cars seemed to get right(being more trouble free with less maintenance... shoot the 1980's corolla was legendary, 500k miles plus while being abused and sloppy with scheduled maintenance and those things still ran like soldiers)

The thing about Ford that sets it apart from other U.S. automakers is that it seemed to integrate and collaborate foreign design cues(for the better) in the latter days. IE: more efficient 4 cylinder designs from Mazda, saftey features from Volvo, etc.. basically what it acquired from buyouts(though they have sold off their shares in both companies, still have an agreement with Mazda though)... so for example, the Fusion is essentially a cousin from the Mazda 6, from what I read, after Mazda developed the 6(also from collaborations, it had fluid filled bushings, double wishbone suspension, etc.), they shared it with Ford, in fact I read that Mazda engineers told Ford engineers what they would have done slightly different with the suspension system if they were to do it again...basically Ford, though American, was taking initiatives against tradition to evolve(ie: cars with better turning radius's borrowed from foreign cars, smaller more fuel efficient engines, and improving interior quality[though this wasn't until very recent]) where as other domestic makers remained the same, stubborn and characteristically American from the 80's(ie: bad turning radius's, big and heavy V8's with mediocre gas mileage, bland and cheap interior designs, etc.) It was all about having an open mind, adapting, and getting on with times...which some of our domestic auto makers did not do(cough* Gm cough* Chrysler), slowly even the die-hard fans(supported without logic or reason, just because of the name..but if you ask me that's not encouraging Laisse Fare..which maybe considered the American way of the open/free market competing with losers who don't adapt dying off..) walked away.


RE: Fusion is sweet
By Pirks on 6/14/2011 11:46:57 AM , Rating: 1
True, but like I said - let's see if this short term quality improvement in Ford cars is going to stay for long and most interesting if it'll eventually start bringing the horrible Ford's deprecation rate down to Toyota's level


RE: Fusion is sweet
By Smilin on 6/14/2011 12:06:26 PM , Rating: 3
10 years ago I said, "I'll never ever buy a Ford." and I meant it. I wouldn't even look to see what they were selling.

Now though a lot has changed. Their quality has been climbing steadily, their models are actually looking good, and they seem to be on track for hitting the new CAFE standards, and Sync is holding it's own against BMW/Benz. I also give them props for having their house in order enough to stay afloat when the economy tanked.

The Mrs. is now looking at a new Explorer to replace the Acura MDX. I've been eyeballing the Mustangs but will likely stick with another Infiniti G (maybe.. Elise is tempting but not a comfy ride).


RE: Fusion is sweet
By InsGadget on 6/14/2011 2:41:34 PM , Rating: 2
I would agree, and in fact I put my wallet where my mouth was and bought a 2009 Ford Escape Hybrid 4x4 a few years ago. I love this thing; not only can I go just about anywhere with the 4wd, but the hybrid has my lifetime gas mileage somewhere around 30 mpg. Try that with any other 4x4.

All around, the fit and finish is great; Ford really has turned a corner in my book.


RE: Fusion is sweet
By Pirks on 6/14/2011 2:58:04 PM , Rating: 1
That mileage advantage is much less than you spent upfront on electrical powertrain + battery plus the battery replacement costs later when it dies in a few years. Hybrids are a waste of money, green waste for sure since they are cleaner and stuff but still, any pure gas engine is way cheaper in the long run. If you have no better way to spend money then hybrid is mighty cool, otherwise...


RE: Fusion is sweet
By Smilin on 6/14/2011 3:07:54 PM , Rating: 2
You assume Gas is going to stay at just $4/gal. Could be double digits during the life of that vehicle.


RE: Fusion is sweet
By Pirks on 6/14/2011 4:49:58 PM , Rating: 1
or could be not :P good luck gambling on insane gas price this way hehe :))


RE: Fusion is sweet
By omnicronx on 6/14/2011 7:58:44 PM , Rating: 2
I 100% agree.. Heck even 2-3 years ago aside from the Fusion, I don't think I would have given Ford a second look.

Just bought a new 2012 Focus Hatchback and when people get inside, feel how heavy the doors are, and look at the exterior, they can't believe its a Ford.


RE: Fusion is sweet
By Pirks on 6/14/11, Rating: 0
RE: Fusion is sweet
By Dr of crap on 6/14/2011 12:36:28 PM , Rating: 1
You need to stop BUYing 20 year old cars and move into the modern era!

Why would anyone want a 20 year old car??
It will be rusted out and need lots of repairs - be it Toyota or Ford.

Seriously? 20 years?


RE: Fusion is sweet
By Smilin on 6/14/2011 1:03:35 PM , Rating: 2
Pfft. I wish I had the self control to buy a 20 year old car. Zero opportunity cost.


RE: Fusion is sweet
By gamerk2 on 6/14/2011 1:32:55 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why would anyone want a 20 year old car??
It will be rusted out and need lots of repairs - be it Toyota or Ford.


Theres a reason you still see Camrys from the 70's driving about: They work, even after 20+ years. Heck, my 97 (200k miles and counting) has had only minor issues, and I haven't exactly taken care of it...


RE: Fusion is sweet
By Dr of crap on 6/14/2011 1:57:04 PM , Rating: 2
I have a 98 Plymouth and a 2000 Chrysler that run like new.
What's your point?


RE: Fusion is sweet
By xeno81 on 6/14/2011 2:13:18 PM , Rating: 2
As much as I tend to be a "foreign vehicle snob", and all the times I said I'd never buy from the Big Three... you have to admit, you don't exactly see scads of Focus, Fusions, F150s, etc just dying left and right or stranded on the side of the road.

Their Initial and Short-Term Quality ratings have been way up, and though reliability remains to be seen on cars newer than the past 3 days, I don't often hear of 2002+ Fords breaking down all the time.

With their current designs of the past couple 2-3 years, and the technologies they've been using including the engine tech, I wouldn't mind buying a Ford.

Well, not taking bailout money (GM) or being the pass-around girl whose paint always falls off (Chrysler) notwithstanding :)


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