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Chinese J-20 Stealth Fighter
Apparently Liang forgets the new stealth fighter China is showing off

The tensions in Asia over the growing might of the Chinese military are easy to see and understand. China is using its booming economy to fund the development of new weapons programs. China wants the world to believe that it is merely being sure it can defend the sovereignty of its nation while others fear that China will use the military might to take resources and possibly attack other nations in the area.

With tension growing, Chinese Defense Minister General Liang Guanglie said at the 10th Shangri-La Dialog in Singapore that the Peoples Liberation Army (PLA) is 20-years behind the U.S. Military. Guanglie said, "I would call the gap big. [The PLA] main battle equipment of our services ... is mainly second-generation weapons." He continued saying, "For example, the army is still being motorized, not mechanized."

Liang acknowledged that the modernization of the Chinese military has drawn attention and concern from around the world. Liang says that China has a right to protect is "core interests" such as protecting its sovereignty. Liang also explained at the conference that relations between the Chinese and U.S. military were improving. This year's Shangri-La dialog was in face the strongest turn out for the Chinese after years of ignoring the conference.

In addition to Liang there were a number of other Chinese officials at the conference including Rear Adm. Guan Youfei, deputy chief, Foreign Affairs Office, Ministry of National Defense; Senior Col. Ou Yangwei, director, Center for Defense Mobilization Studies, National Defense University; Major Gen. Song Dan, deputy director general, General Office, Central Military Commission; Lt. Gen. Wei Fenghe, deputy chief of general staff, PLA; and Xiao Jianguo, director, Department of Ocean Affairs, Ministry of Foreign Affairs. 

As much as Liang wants the world to believe China has a massive gap between its military and the U.S. military (and other armed forces of the world), the country is investing heavily in next-generation weapons. A the most high profile new weapons program is the Chinese J-20 stealth fighter. The J-20 completed its second flight in April and has been captured on video as it has been tested. Some speculate that China obtained the stealth technology that is used in the J-20 from a U.S. F-117 stealth fighter that was downed in 1999 in Serbia. China is known to have had agents crisscross the area where the fighter crashed buying up the wreckage from local farmers.

The Chinese military is also believed by many around the world to be carrying out very sophisticated and successful hacks against military and corporate networks. Many digital attacks have been traced back to parts of China where the government is known to have a strong military presence. The Gmail hack that was revealed earlier this month is believed to have been perpetrated by China, though Chinese officials have denied any involvement. China is also allegedly the source of the hacking attacks that compromised networks at Lockheed Martin using stolen RSA SecurID dongles. Those hacks are believed to have targeted Lockheed Martin military projects. 



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RE: Nothing to worry about here/so small
By Gzus666 on 6/8/2011 4:03:07 PM , Rating: 1
Yet neither one of them are or were communist. Maybe you should verify the definition of communism, as it requires getting rid of social class, wages, private property ownership and so on, which none of them did. Most of the places claimed to be communist are Socialist dictatorships and even then, only loosely.

The reality is that a communism never has and probably won't exist for a very long time until it becomes the only option (when we can make anything we want with "replicator" type devices, yes I know it is Star Trek tech, but it is something science is pondering).


RE: Nothing to worry about here/so small
By Reclaimer77 on 6/8/2011 4:06:25 PM , Rating: 1
Saying the CCCP wasn't Communist is absurd. End of discussion.


RE: Nothing to worry about here/so small
By Gzus666 on 6/8/2011 4:18:35 PM , Rating: 1
Clarify with definitive proof set in the guidelines defined by the definition of communism. Like usual, you banter stupidly and say you are right with an assertion. You are truly the god of logical fallacy.


RE: Nothing to worry about here/so small
By Reclaimer77 on 6/8/2011 6:03:19 PM , Rating: 1
Me? Dude everyone in the WORLD referred to Soviet Russia as Communists. Are you high?

Shove it up your ass Gzus. As usual, you're starting an argument over some stupid trivial thing that has nothing to do with the discussion. I'm not playing your game this time.


By smitty3268 on 6/8/2011 9:19:42 PM , Rating: 2
Everyone in the world calls the US a democracy, as well, and that isn't true. We're a republic. Anyway, you're right that this doesn't matter at all.


RE: Nothing to worry about here/so small
By SlyNine on 6/8/2011 9:22:05 PM , Rating: 2
Actually you are wrong, Karl Marx came up with communism. It is widely accepted that his vision has never been even close to being realized. So despite "everyone in the world" calling Russia communists, Russia and China are not true communists and the previous description " socialist dictatorships" is a more apt description.

Try using more logic and objectivity to avoid your general failures in arguments on dailytech.


RE: Nothing to worry about here/so small
By Reclaimer77 on 6/8/11, Rating: 0
By Bubbacub on 6/9/2011 7:31:35 AM , Rating: 2
dude - seriously - read some political history.

fascism, communism, marxism and socialism are all completely different.

i believe you are american (correct me if i'm wrong). its possible that as you grew up (i'm guessing you were around in reagan times) that you may have been on the end of some socially prevalent themes that may have mis-represented world history. correct me if im wrong in making these assumptions.

fascism and communism (as implemented by the russians) were diametrically opposed ideologically. they had similar models of centrally controlled planned economies because this was seen as the 'modern way forward' to get countries out of the mess of the great depression of the 30's. this functional similarity can be attributed due to both forms of government arising at more or less the same time in response to the failure of capitalist democracies in central and eastern europe in the twenties and thirties. their political origins however are polar opposites.

marxism has never really been implemented.

finally socialism is alive and kicking and working well for its people in for example most of northern europe. at least this has seemed to be the case last time i visited denmark and sweden.


By Gzus666 on 6/9/2011 9:53:35 AM , Rating: 4
I was under the impression it just made you feel dumber (however daunting that task may be) which is why you lash out with your freak out sessions.

Oddly enough, we use different words to describe these things because they are different things. Granted there are always synonyms, but this isn't one of those times.

What main discussion? Your xenophobia against the Chinese? I'm sure you are going to solve the world's problems here on Dailytech. It is a blog, you aren't doing anything here.

Honestly I just like messing with you cause it is hilarious to watch you flip out. The fact that you are insane and don't understand much of anything just adds to the fun.


RE: Nothing to worry about here/so small
By Gzus666 on 6/8/2011 9:39:49 PM , Rating: 2
I didn't realize reality was based on consensus. By definition then, everyone is WRONG. They started a war on communism and defined them all as communists as a form of xenophobic propaganda. This is valid because you are still perpetuating the xenophobia (I'd go so far as to say you are the new spokesperson for it), which I think most everyone would agree is a bad thing in any form.

Did you forget the game of calling someone communist as a way to win any argument? It was a new version of "she's a witch". You should be familiar, you and logical fallacy are butt buddies. Get used to the fact that you will never win an argument on logical terms with me, cause you always default to illogical drivel.


RE: Nothing to worry about here/so small
By Reclaimer77 on 6/8/11, Rating: 0
RE: Nothing to worry about here/so small
By dotpoz on 6/9/2011 4:26:13 AM , Rating: 2
If everbody say something it must be true, right ?
Also if it is on TV or on the interweb.......

By definition comunism is a social-economical theory elaborated by Marx and Engels. The URSS was a marxist-Leninist ditactorship. marxist-leninist comunism go towards a more centralized power.

I'ts true that we always called them comunist but it was't the comunism theorized by marx


RE: Nothing to worry about here/so small
By Reclaimer77 on 6/9/2011 2:41:56 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I'ts true that we always called them comunist


But when I use the term is needs to spark a huge debate? My, I'm honored.

So I guess when someone says "the sun came up" you then launch into a pointless diatribe about how the sun doesn't really come up, the Earth is just rotating to face it?

There are appropriate times to correct someone. Correcting someone for calling the USSR "Communist" on a discussion that's NOT about Communism is just a dick move.


RE: Nothing to worry about here/so small
By Gzus666 on 6/9/2011 3:22:20 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
But when I use the term is needs to spark a huge debate? My, I'm honored.


Oh stop playing innocent. You know you said "communist" to incite an emotional response to try to have people agree with you. I took the wind out of that sail on purpose to piss you off as well as point to that fact that it was completely unnecessary to point out that China was "communist" (even though they aren't) for your argument.

You added it in to try to sway people to your way of thinking with fear and hate, it is the oldest manipulation trick in the book. You literally do this non-stop about every stupid thing you can, usually liberals or whatever other crap you decide to parrot that day as a manipulation tactic. Every time you get called out on it, you get super defensive and deflect the conversation into personal attacks or some other manipulation tactic you monkeys like to use other than logic, cause you fail miserably in that realm.


By Reclaimer77 on 6/9/2011 4:18:17 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
You know you said "communist" to incite an emotional response to try to have people agree with you.


No, I absolutely did not. Truth, take it or leave it. As far as caring if people agree with me or not, I think you know better than that. If I cared about that, I think my posts would be a bit more neutral, don't ya think?

When I think Soviet Russia, I think Communists. It's as simple as that. And please, I'm HARDLY alone in that regard. Same goes for present day China.

quote:
You added it in to try to sway people to your way of thinking with fear and hate


... are you SERIOUSLY making this big of a deal over it? Yes, I was using "fear and hate" by pointing out that China black books a lot of their military spending. For that matter, so do we.

You are just projecting, that's all. You have always been very socialist leaning in your opinions, so I can see why you are taking this position. But it's obvious I hit a nerve and the voracity of your response is NOT in proportion to anything I said.

You are making too much of a deal about this and taking it way too personal. You can reply if you want, but I'm done with this.


By delphinus100 on 6/9/2011 9:47:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The reality is that a communism never has and probably won't exist for a very long time until it becomes the only option (when we can make anything we want with "replicator" type devices, yes I know it is Star Trek tech, but it is something science is pondering).


Even an advanced nanotechnological, post-scarcity world doesn't automatically lead to communism as you (correctly, I believe) described it (the following pasted from my own web site)...

A 'Post-Scarcity' world: We all want it, but how do we get there? How would it work? Will there still be money? Would we still know what to do with ourselves?

http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/2674/
http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.p... (streaming video)
http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/anissimov20090...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_scarcity
http://io9.com/5266289/star-trek-is-what-we-should...


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