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Ford EcoBoost V6
High gas prices and a potent turbocharged engine drive V6 sales for Ford's best seller

What good is a big ‘old domestic full-size pickup truck without a V8 engine under the hood? Half-ton pickups and V8 engines go together like peanut butter and jelly or Smith & Wesson. But with gas prices putting the squeeze on many consumers, those who can actually afford to purchase brand new vehicles are trying to be more economical. 

We already reported in late April that Ford is seeing incredible demand for its new EcoBoost V6 engine in the Ford F-150. Reports pegged the EcoBoost V6 engine option as taking 36 percent of all F-150 sales.

However, that figure jumped to 41 percent for the month of May. In addition, the 3.7-liter V6 engine option captured 14 percent, bringing the total haul for V6 engines to over half of all F-150 sales for the month.

According to PickupTrucks.com, the increasing interest in Ford's V6 engine options should come as no surprise given the current state of gas pries in the United States. However, the phenomena is still amazing when you consider that the take rate for V6 engines in competing Toyota Tundra and GMC Sierra/Chevrolet Silverado full size pickups is in the single-digit range.

Ford’s 3.7-liter V6 engine generates 300hp @ 6,500 rpm and 275 lb-ft of torque at 4,500 rpm. It is EPA rated at 17 mpg in the city and 23 mpg on the highway. The popular EcoBoost V6 makes 365hp @ 5,000 rpm and 420 lb-ft of torque at a low 2,500 rpm. It has EPA ratings of 16/22. 

Both engines run on regular unleaded gasoline, which is a plus with high gasoline prices.



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RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By jabber on 6/2/2011 11:46:15 AM , Rating: 0
But we manage to zoom about 80-100mph plus and accelerate just fine with these engines.

Why cant the US cope with them? We still lug stuff around in vans and stuff. It doesnt cause us a problem. Builders still build stuff, plumbers and gardeners still do perfectly well.

Like I said before I can quite happily join in on motorways and the like and cruise along at 85mph all day in a car with just 55hp.


By theagentsmith on 6/2/2011 12:00:43 PM , Rating: 1
I agree with Jabber, in Europe and 4-cyl turbodiesel engines are the norm. They comply strict Euro5 emission standards, and can have 170+ hp. However going at 85mph with 55hp means the engine won't be efficient as your pushing to its limit.
I drive a 2.2CRD PT Cruiser which has 121hp and I have no problem merging on motorways and cruising at 80 mph which is the legal street limit in Italy. Most of US States let you go only 65-70 mph, yes with big 8-cyl engines you can do 0-60 in 5 secs but after that?


RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By shaidorsai on 6/2/2011 12:19:05 PM , Rating: 2
Because we don't want to. If you were able to afford the registration and fuel for a 400hp V8 Mustang you wouldn't be asking silly questions. The incredibly slow to accelerate 4 cyl diesel is about the worst vehicle to drive possible and only seems "ok" when everyone else is also moving so slowly. America neither wants nor needs slow cars. Im sure there are people that will be on here saying they would love a 4 cyl diesel car regardless of how slow it goes...they also don't get why everyone flips them off when they do 60 in the left lane of the interstate.


RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By jabber on 6/2/2011 12:24:41 PM , Rating: 1
But they are not slow. You are just following the age of propaganda your car dealers have been spouting for years, like the 3000 mile oil change (research courtesy of Jiffy Lube Inc).

Ever driven in Europe? We dont all crawl around at 20mph or use horse drawn carts.

Really you have nothing to fear, its the future cos gas isnt going to ever go back to $2 a gallon.


RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By mindless1 on 6/2/2011 2:49:22 PM , Rating: 1
Need it be mentioned that Americans prefer larger vehicles? Pretty simple really, put a bigger engine in a bigger vehicle, though AFAIK, American emissions standards are higher making diesels less powerful too in addition to the disparity between diesel pumps and gas pumps at the filling stations.

As I mentioned in another post, you are pushing your engine harder to drive like that versus a larger more powerful engine. That wear takes its tool over time, not everyone wants to replace their vehicle every 4 years nor have more repairs and creaky rattly looser handling.


RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By Maximalist on 6/2/2011 5:55:40 PM , Rating: 4
FACT: diesel engines have more longevity than comparable petrol engines. Lower RPM, operating temperature, and larger tolerances are some factors. Best marine engines are diesel too. The average marine gasoline engine runs for 1,500 hours before needing a major overhaul. The average marine diesel engine will run for more than 3x that at an average 5,000 hours under the same conditions. Automotive engines' life expectancy is roughly twice as long.


RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By mindless1 on 6/4/2011 5:11:58 AM , Rating: 2
FACT: The average gasoline engine in a modern car lasts for the life of the vehicle. The car is totaled or suffers some other kind of costly repair that causes it to be junked or parted out before then.

There is an exception, which is if someone buys an undersized engine and then has to continually push it at greater operating stress to get the same job done.

On the other hand, I am not against diesel engines, but I won't own a car with one because in the US I don't want to be restricted to hunting for and using only the one pump at each local gas station. If in the future stations put in triple or more diesel pumps, I'd have no problem with owning a diesel.


RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By Maximalist on 6/7/2011 2:34:04 AM , Rating: 2
It is true that an engine nevermind the type lasts as long as the average vehicle. By your own admission, whether you drive an "underpowered" vehicle or not, the engine longevity is not an issue, nobody on average would need to overhaul their engine every 4 years.

The other point about scarcity of diesel fueling stations is outdated. I recommend going to Shell (just one major diesel retail chain in the U.S.) and "locate" nearby diesel stations within a 5 mile radius from your home or office. I bet you will be surprised to see many more stations than you ever imagined. And it is just from Shell. There are others too. No need to hunt anything unless you drive seriously outside metro areas where I have little experience, but imagine that agri, heating, other uses would actually make diesel fuel more available, not less.

And do not mind a single diesel pump... hardly ever it has a queue in the U.S.


By mindless1 on 6/14/2011 2:03:55 PM , Rating: 2
^ Untrue, these days modernized gas stations have the diesel integrated into one of the pumps that does gas too so you will wait on people getting gas not diesel.

Engine longevity is an issue if it uses an undersized engine.

The point is easy to understand, in America gas vehicles are more convenient unless driving a large truck where you need to go to a truck stop to refuel.

As unbelievable as it seems, LOTS of people care more about other factors than whether a car has a diesel engine and aren't going to be limited in what they can buy just to get one... in fact, almost every product I buy, has efficiency VERY VERY low on the list of important factors.


RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By Dr of crap on 6/2/2011 12:35:30 PM , Rating: 2
While I agree with your ability to buy whatever car you want, I've seen plenty of "sport cars" driven so slowly on the entrance ramp, my 2.2 liter 4cyl can beat them onto the freeway.

It's not the car that's slow, it's the driver.
I can't stand people that can't merge onto the freeway properly! That being AT SPEED!

There are plenty of Mustangs being driven way to slowly for their own good.


RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By mindless1 on 6/2/2011 2:44:55 PM , Rating: 1
It's not a matter of how fast a car "can" accelerate, it's that you're ragging it out if you're always asking high(er) RPMS to get the same job done, as well as more stress on a suspension/etc if the car wasn't built for sustained use at that performance level.

People want a car with RESERVE power, not something that barely gets the job done, though I'm not implying a midsized or smaller vehicle needs in excess of 200HP.


RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By jabber on 6/2/11, Rating: -1
By Spuke on 6/2/2011 6:19:13 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
But things will change. As mentioned you'll be largely 4 cylinder bound within 10 years. Enjoy it while you can. The last hurrah.
I, and it seems most Americans, don't have a problem with cylinder count, we just want some power. Non issue with today's 4's. I hate to bring up facts but if you look at actual US cars sales, you'll see that most Americans have been driving 4 cylinder cars for decades now. Americans typically go for lower optioned vehicles and 4 cylinders make up the bulk of those vehicles. Add some power to them like they're doing today and even V6's getting supplanted.


RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By lagomorpha on 6/2/2011 1:28:45 PM , Rating: 2
Cummins makes a 4 cylinder version of their wonderful B Series turbo-diesels that have found their way into Dodge 2500/3500 trucks. The 4 cylinder version has similar performance characteristics to Mercedes' V6 turbodiesels that are in Dodge/Mercedes Sprinter vans which seem to have no trouble keeping up with traffic.

Should Dodge decide to start selling 1/2 ton trucks with a 4 cylinder Cummins B series turbodiesel from the factory I predict you'll see more excitement than complaints.


RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By Spuke on 6/2/2011 3:23:40 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Should Dodge decide to start selling 1/2 ton trucks with a 4 cylinder Cummins B series turbodiesel from the factory I predict you'll see more excitement than complaints.
NOPE!! The manufacturers already have diesels engines ready for 1/2 tons and exactly NONE of them are 4 cylinders. The market crash shelved the engines but they're ready to go. NO ONE and I mean NO ONE would buy a 4 cyl diesel in a 1/2 ton truck in the US. Do I really need to explain why?


RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By YashBudini on 6/2/2011 7:25:32 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
NO ONE and I mean NO ONE would buy a 4 cyl diesel in a 1/2 ton truck in the US. Do I really need to explain why?

Yes, that's just the way it is, but also, seems like a good reason to have such a vehicle reviewed in some magazines, no?


By lagomorpha on 6/4/2011 12:28:41 PM , Rating: 2
It should probably be noted that the 4 cylinder Cummins 4BT is a 4 liter 4 cylinder turbo-diesel with 355 ft-lbs of torque and there are already people using it to replace gasoline engines in trucks in order to improve fuel economy.

There's nothing stopping a 4 cylinder diesel from producing enough torque to pull a large truck - just look at some Caterpillar has made. Other than the vehicle sounding like a tractor that is.


RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/2/2011 12:32:43 PM , Rating: 2
Ugh here we go again. "Why can't you American's be just like us Europeans"

Do we have to go through this EVERY time a car article is posted?


RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By jabber on 6/2/2011 12:37:17 PM , Rating: 1
Well no not really its just we find it hard to work out why we can get on with our work/lives with car engine power levels half the size of yours yet you seem to state catagorically its impossible for you to do the same.

But we never get a decent answer other than -

"I need to tow stuff!" Well so do we.

"I need to join the Freeway at light speed!" We manage too.

The main reason seems to be "Because we can!" Well thats fine but then why do so many moan when gas prices go up? Surely you should just keep quiet and suck it up.


By Reclaimer77 on 6/2/2011 2:03:09 PM , Rating: 2
Because we have a CHOICE. If people want low power, fine, they can buy that. They're available. If they don't, high powered cars are available. What's so wrong about that?

Just leave it alone, ok? We don't all need to be the same. Americans don't get on here and tell Europeans how to live. I get so sick of this conformist attitude coming from your side of the pond EVERY TIME a car article goes up. If you're happy with an insane VAT tax on everything, crazy high gas prices, and super expensive cars well that's great.


RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By weskurtz0081 on 6/2/2011 2:06:39 PM , Rating: 2
Just curious, but in the case of our ranch, we need trucks that can tow around 40 foot trailers, 20,000-30,000lbs (9-13K kilos), that can carry 4000K-7000K lbs (1800-3000 kilos) in the bed of the truck.

Are the vans you are talking about, and the trucks you are talking about, carrying those kinds of loads?


RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By Spuke on 6/2/2011 3:34:59 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Are the vans you are talking about, and the trucks you are talking about, carrying those kinds of loads?
No they're not. At least not like we do. Culture is different there. Europeans aren't "working class" people like we are. Example: most of the European horse owners I've met are rich whereas most of the US horse owners I know are just regular working stiffs. You don't see Europeans hauling 4x8's from the local Home Depot or Lowes (do they even have stores like that?). Most wouldn't be caught dead in a pickup where we see it as a badge of honor (explained to me by a Brit). They do indeed have larger vehicles for heavy tows but most aren't privately owned and they're not multi-purpose like our pickups. The reason why they don't understand why we do what we do is because they don't do what we do.

PS - If you guys don't understand, just ask, we'll be happy to explain it. Leave the finger pointing bashing somewhere else.


RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By jabber on 6/2/11, Rating: 0
RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By Spuke on 6/2/2011 5:48:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
No we use whats called an articulated lorry.
Didn't I say you use heavier vehicles for heavier tows? What are you saying no to?


RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By jabber on 6/2/2011 5:56:35 PM , Rating: 1
I was just saying we use whats we call a lorry. After all why own a large inefficient truck for the two days a year you might need it when as you point out, you can have someone else do it.

I love the Bruce Springsteen "every american is a hard working blue collar good guy" type scenario you are spinning there. Brought a tear to my eye, kinda.


By Spuke on 6/2/2011 6:21:38 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I was just saying we use whats we call a lorry. After all why own a large inefficient truck for the two days a year you might need it when as you point out, you can have someone else do it.
Ah, I see now. You're just an a$$hole. You REALLY don't care to understand the differences, you just simply want to bash and argue. Not a problem, I'll move on.


By AssBall on 6/2/2011 6:30:18 PM , Rating: 3
What the hell are you talking about? Why own snowmobiles, dirtbikes, four wheelers, camper trailers, firewood, hay bales, acetylene tanks, plows, water tanks, power tools? Why live off of any kind of pavement?

You clearly don't know jack sh!t about the United States.

quote:
have someone else do it


So well said. Spoken like a true European socialist leech. We like to do it by ourselves when we can over here.


RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By millerm277 on 6/2/2011 4:29:04 PM , Rating: 2
Here's a simple answer. The entire EU is about half the land area of the US. We drive a lot farther than you, a lot more often. What works for 50mi, often doesn't work for 500mi.

My drive to work includes a road with a long 18% grade, we get 160in of snow a winter (and yes, I regularly am driving in 1ft of snow, often for hours to ski).

I have no idea how you get 4x8' sheets of plywood home, how you move furniture or any other large objects.

What you also need to remember is that part of the need for power in the US is because we have stricter safety standards, causing an equivilant car to weigh much more than a Euro-spec one would. Also requiring more power.


RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By jabber on 6/2/2011 4:36:17 PM , Rating: 1
How many people drive 500 miles a day? And for a daily commute? Most probably 20 miles or so. Again you dont need a V8 for that.

We also have mountains, hill passes, fords and roads that are 2000 years old. Its not flat in Europe either and the terrain is pretty diverse.

As for getting sheets of plywood, we dont often need them as our houses are not made from plywood. Brick rules here.

If we did need plywood we call the building supplies place in town and they deliver it in a transit van quite easily. Larger stuff delivered on a flatbed truck with a crane.

Moving house is done by removal firms with custom built removal vans or like I did last time I rented a transit van for the day. All pretty easy.

as for safety, yet again we dont drive around in matchboxes either.

Again excuses that dont really add up.


By Spuke on 6/2/2011 5:51:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
As for getting sheets of plywood, we dont often need them as our houses are not made from plywood. Brick rules here.
Neither are ours. We also use brick, ever seen the homes on the east coast of the US? Plywood is used for whatever. That isn't the point. And your post proves what I said clearly. Europeans don't do what we do, hence the misunderstandings.


RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By Spuke on 6/2/2011 5:56:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If we did need plywood we call the building supplies place in town and they deliver it in a transit van quite easily. Larger stuff delivered on a flatbed truck with a crane. Moving house is done by removal firms with custom built removal vans or like I did last time I rented a transit van for the day. All pretty easy. as for safety, yet again we dont drive around in matchboxes either. Again excuses that dont really add up.
Bam!! You hit the nail on the head!! WE don't do that as a matter of course, WE fix our own sh!t as a matter of course. Does everyone do that? NOPE! But enough do to have to nationwide chains of home improvement stores packed full of people daily. There are no excuses!!!! We are just different.


RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By jabber on 6/2/2011 6:04:15 PM , Rating: 2
The point is that in virtually equal levels of society and technology we can show that a large proportion of the population doesnt need to own large inefficient trucks.

If things get more expensive gas wise in the US then thats how it will change for you too. You'll get someone else to deliver the bricks while your Prius or whatever never has to leave the drivway.

Its not as impossible as you make out thats all. you are not that different in needs at all to over the pond. Its just that you do it a different way that going forward might not be sustainable in a few ways.

Believe me I wish it could carry on the way it is for decades and decades as differences are what makes the world a fun place but its all going to boil down to a common denominator world wide at some point. shame but there you go.


By Spuke on 6/2/2011 6:23:35 PM , Rating: 3
You really don't want to know, you just want to bash. No problem.


RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/2/2011 10:31:23 PM , Rating: 2
Jabbber you are giving Euro's a bad name, on their behalf I behoove you to actually READ what people are typing to you instead of just bash after same bash.

It's amazing how Europeans claim to be such diverse and tolerant people, and that we are the bigots, yet you can't seem to accept our way of life.


By jabber on 6/3/2011 7:01:06 AM , Rating: 2
Guys I apologise.

All I was trying to get to the bottom of was this -

Group A does things one way.
Group B does things one way.
Group A asks why Group B maybe couldnt do it their way?
Group B says it's impossible and very defensive.
Group A asks why it's impossible and gets shouted at.

At the end of the day I dont see how smaller and more econimical engine sizes for a greater number of vehicles should stop anyone in the US lugging plywood around.

I was accusued of ignorance, fair enough but it does appear thats an issue on both sides. I have been to the US and Canada many times so I've seen what its like. I've even lived with Americans, yes I went that far in my research.

However, I do feel that some over the pond have this vision of Europe like its still 1923, in black and white and we all hang around in Soviet style bread queues.

Trust me, me can lug plywood, boats and trailers with the best of them when we have to.

I guess vive le difference.


RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By Spuke on 6/2/2011 5:59:02 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
as for safety, yet again we dont drive around in matchboxes either.
Might as well address this one too. NONE of your cars meet our safety standards. The only one's that do were designed to meet them (and are sold here).


RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By StanO360 on 6/2/2011 8:01:48 PM , Rating: 2
They are trained like monkeys in school and in their media (with the cooperation of our media) that all Americans are dupes, lumbering idiots. No amount of explanation will help him get out of his cultural presuppositions.


By YashBudini on 6/2/2011 8:57:46 PM , Rating: 2
Not to worry we have plenty of counterparts:

quote:
They are trained like monkeys in school and in their media (with the cooperation of our media) that all Europeans are socialist dupes, laid-back idiots. No amount of explanation will help him get out of his cultural presuppositions.


RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By dgingeri on 6/2/2011 1:26:08 PM , Rating: 2
Here's what I've seen:

Just last week, I'm cruising home on I-25 northbound at 55 in a 65 zone (due to rush hour traffic) and a little Honda merges onto the highway doing <40. He just moves over as if everyone is just supposed to let him in. About two dozen cars in both right lanes have to brake to avoid hitting him, and 5 cars about 8 cars behind this guy crash into each other in the right lane because they never see it coming. Even when they don't cause accidents, they cause major backups because tons of people have to slow down for each one of them moving in.

idiots like this are everywhere. they don't get hit directly and think they're driving safe because they're slow, but in reality they're creating situations where bunches of other people get hurt because of them. (I've been hit from behind 5 times because someone merged onto a highway in front of me going far too slow. It's cost me 3 cars and $13,000 in medical expenses out of my pocket.)

The worse part is that these little cars, even floored, can't get up to highway speeds by the end of many highway on ramps. They're running 60-80hp motors in a 4000lb car and can't get up to speed. These vehicles should be banned from US roads. if they aren't capable of getting up to speed before merging, they are a danger to everyone on the road.


By lagomorpha on 6/2/2011 1:34:00 PM , Rating: 2
1) This isn't a problem with slow cars, it's a problem with slow drivers. I've seen plenty of V8 Cadillacs and Mercedes pull onto the highway at 40mph. The real problem is letting senile people drive.

2) You won't find 60-80hp cars on US roads weighing 4000 lbs. The least powerful thing you'll likely find is a CRX HF from the 80s and those only weighed around 1800 lbs. There is a legal minimum power/weight ratio for US roads but the only vehicles that even approach it are fully loaded semi-trucks and they seem to manage somehow. If you want to complain about things that cause trouble merging, complain about truckers.


RE: Give rising prices another 5 years...
By jabber on 6/2/2011 1:43:43 PM , Rating: 2
1. You need to look whats going on and anticipate traffic better. Again a driving issue not a power issue.

2. Folks joining too slow. Again a driving skills and awareness issue not power.

3. 4000lb car in a Hyundai or Civic type? Even a Dodge Charger weighs in under 4000lbs.


By Dr of crap on 6/3/2011 8:45:55 AM , Rating: 2
The two posters ahead have hit it on the head.
WE DO NOT teach drivers well.

Merging skills, and the ability to manage your car is missing from a vast majority of drivers!

It's not the Honda's on the road that can't get up to speed, ITS THE DRIVERS! I seen plenty of large cars and trucks that merge onto the freeway, and the way is clear, that take twice as long as they should. Don't go off on the small car as the reason for bad merging.

It drivers skill!


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