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Liaoconodon hui  (Source: Jin Meng)
A new fossil, Liaoconodon hui, was found in China and has all three middle ear bones



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RE: Why Bother?
By Reclaimer77 on 4/19/2011 7:41:32 AM , Rating: 0
I believe in micro evolution. That a species can adapt etc etc, you know the deal.

I do NOT believe that frogs can become dogs, or dogs can become man. I do not believe in macro evolution. Also this crackpot theory about how all the dinosaurs "evolved" into birds and one of those birds became a primate and that primate became, eventually, man....I mean, give me a break. You really buy that crap?

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this fossil fills one of the gaps in,


How? Because it's complete enough to show ear bones when other ones weren't? That doesn't prove it's some stepping stone to man. It's a reptile!

Isn't it possible that two species can have the same type of ear bones WITHOUT being related to each other? Is there any other evidence besides the ear bones that we're looking at a distant relative here?

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Mammals evolved from something, why cant it be from a reptile?


Only if we accept the premise that mammals didn't already exist?

You should remember that the fossil record is a tiny tiny percentage of what was living at the time. There simply are NOT fossils for every species in existence.

Filling in the gaps is fine. Making stuff up because we think it "fits" and we don't have any observational data from millions of years ago is just bad science.


RE: Why Bother?
By Paj on 4/19/2011 8:32:10 AM , Rating: 1
How can you believe in evolution, yet deny macroevolution? All youre doing is demonstrating your lack of knowledge.

Why do humans have a tailbone? Wisdom teeth, that can cause pain and death if not removed? Seems like an oversight at best, a poor design at worst. Furthermore, why do dolphins and whales have lungs if they live in the water? Who would design an animal in this way?

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Isn't it possible that two species can have the same type of ear bones WITHOUT being related to each other? Is there any other evidence besides the ear bones that we're looking at a distant relative here?


Yes, it is. Its called convergent evolution, where the same biological trait is acquired in unrelated lineages. ie wovles and the (now extinct) Tasmainian Tiger share many common characteristics, despite being unrelated biologically or genetically.


RE: Why Bother?
By Reclaimer77 on 4/19/11, Rating: 0
RE: Why Bother?
By Fritzr on 4/19/2011 7:51:14 PM , Rating: 2
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Quite easily. I don't. Our thoughts shape the universe, do they not? It always matters what we think.


If you believe that thinking beings created modern humans by shaping the universe with their thoughts, then yes I would include you with the Flat Earthers who deny that ships disappear over the horizon as they sail away.
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This is still a very health debate on macro evolution in scientific circles, so please don't pretend that I'm some wacko claiming the Earth is flat.

If you actually read the article you would know that the discovery documents support of your theory of gradual change.


RE: Why Bother?
By Reclaimer77 on 4/19/2011 9:47:07 PM , Rating: 2
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If you believe that thinking beings created modern humans by shaping the universe


Not exactly what I meant, and I think you know that. But okay, moving on...

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If you actually read the article you would know that the discovery documents support of your theory of gradual change.


Then hoooray. Go me!


RE: Why Bother?
By Fritzr on 4/19/2011 7:45:48 PM , Rating: 2
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I believe in micro evolution. That a species can adapt etc etc, you know the deal.

I do NOT believe that frogs can become dogs, or dogs can become man. I do not believe in macro evolution. Also this crackpot theory about how all the dinosaurs "evolved" into birds and one of those birds became a primate and that primate became, eventually, man....I mean, give me a break. You really buy that crap?

So you believe that all canines evolved from earlier canine variants, horses, zebras etc. evolved from earlier equine variants, alligaors, crocodiles, gavials etc. evolved from earlier crocodilian variants.

Extending this argument to it's logical conclusion, you end up with intelligent design and dinosaurs sharing the planet with apes. This occurs because simple precellular life cannot evolve into single cell life, single cell life evolve into simple multicellular life, simple multicellular life into complex multicellular life, different lineages of multicellular life branching into multiple unique and seemingly unrelated life.

In short your theory requires that the primordial earth be populated by "advanced" life forms that were spontaneously created. Note this is not intelligent design, but simply "Spontaneous Creation" of "higher" life forms directly out of the chemical broth that covered the early Earth.

These various lineages then had to survive ALL the disasters and climate changes that have occurred during the subsequent history of the Earth.

Applying Occam's Razor to the logical consequences of your theory lends credence to evolution generating what appear to be major leaps in form and function.

This article documents the discovery of physical evidence of one of the gradual changes that your theory requires, so I do not understand why you are objecting to an interpretation of the discovery that lends support to your beliefs.


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