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Another problem surfaces for Leaf owners  (Source: Nissan)
EV won't start sometimes

Green cars are all the rage today, and are being pumped out by auto manufacturers from all around the world. Electric vehicles get their motivation from batteries that can be charged by a power outlet. The catch is that pure EVs of today have limited driving range and can take a long time to recharge making them impractical for many.

Some drivers of the Nissan Leaf, one of the few true EVs on the market today, have previously complained that the vehicle driving distance estimation is often very off leaving some drivers stranded on the side of the road. The Leaf also has a confusing EPA rating of 99mpg despite the fact that it uses no gasoline.

Nisan has announced that it is aware of a new issue in which the Leaf will not start. According to Nissan, the complaint has surfaced in both Japan and the U.S.

Nissan is investigating the cause of the start failures right now and at this time there is no intention of a recall since the issue isn't affecting safety of the vehicle. Reuters reports that Nissan has tracked the problem back to the Leaf air conditioning system.

At this point Nissan isn’t sure if the issue is with a component in the AC system or with the software. Nissan spokesman Toshitake Inoshita said, "When we know the exact cause, we will decide whether to issue a service bulletin, or take other steps."

So far, the Leaf has sold 452 units in the U.S. and 3,300 units in Japan. Exactly how widespread the issue is at this point is unknown. 

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By Spuke on 4/12/2011 2:39:24 PM , Rating: 2
See my posts above, there is no 6 cents in at least SCE, PG&E, and DWP's areas.

The point remains, TCO is not just initial purchase price.
That's my point. TCO is everything not just cents per kWh or initial purchase price or meter installations costs or service upgrades. It's everything. If it's MORE money than it's MORE money. With all of those extra potential/actual costs, how the hell is owning an EV cheaper than a cheap gas car considering TCO (you know....cents per kWh or initial purchase price or meter installations costs or service upgrades etc)?

By Keeir on 4/12/2011 9:52:26 PM , Rating: 2
With all of those extra potential/actual costs, how the hell is owning an EV cheaper than a cheap gas car considering TCO

See, this is where I think we don't see eye to eye.

IMO, an electric car doesn't have to be the cheapest possible option in the market. It needs to be average.

For instance, lets consider a California purchaser today. He can buy a Leaf at ~33.5k in initial price - 7,500 Federal Rebate - 5,000 California Rebate for 21,000. Lets throw 2k of Financing charges on that for 23,000 aquistion price. After 10 years/150,000 miles lets consider the EV -worthless- without a battery replacement.
At 25 cents per kWh, 150,000 electric miles takes 12,750 dollars in electricity.
Fuel + Depreciation = 35,750
A comparable Versa MSRPs for 20.5k. Lets assumes 19k + 1 k in Finance charges. After 10 years/150,000 miles, lets aslo assume a residual price of 2,000 dollars. I am going with 4.00 a gallon for gasoline which is a lark IMO, but why not. After 150,000 miles thats 21,500 dollars of fuel.
Fuel + Depreciation = 38,500

Leaving you 2,750 for a one time upgrade of the charging and metering system in your house.

Of course, if you the -Average- American, you only pay ~12 cents per kWh right now. Fuel + Depre for the average non-5,000 dollar California credit is 34,100

So to drive an electric car instead of a gasoline one will "cost" ~250 dollars a year more without the rebate than the comparable gasoline car... first gen tech.

A BMW 3 series Fuel + Depreciation over the same 10 year/150,000 miles is more like 56,900 for an increased cost a year of ~2,500+.

Yet people are okay with others choose the BMW 3... hmmm

(Note: I did this extremely crudely. But I have run and rerun the numbers for the Volt and the Leaf with varying assumptions and -without the federal subsidy- and -with extra installation charges- both cars are acceptable in terms of cost in that come in around the Versa - Mazda 3 over the 10 year/150,000 mile time frames...)

By Jedi2155 on 4/15/2011 4:08:31 AM , Rating: 2
I like the way you think.

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