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Another problem surfaces for Leaf owners  (Source: Nissan)
EV won't start sometimes

Green cars are all the rage today, and are being pumped out by auto manufacturers from all around the world. Electric vehicles get their motivation from batteries that can be charged by a power outlet. The catch is that pure EVs of today have limited driving range and can take a long time to recharge making them impractical for many.

Some drivers of the Nissan Leaf, one of the few true EVs on the market today, have previously complained that the vehicle driving distance estimation is often very off leaving some drivers stranded on the side of the road. The Leaf also has a confusing EPA rating of 99mpg despite the fact that it uses no gasoline.

Nisan has announced that it is aware of a new issue in which the Leaf will not start. According to Nissan, the complaint has surfaced in both Japan and the U.S.

Nissan is investigating the cause of the start failures right now and at this time there is no intention of a recall since the issue isn't affecting safety of the vehicle. Reuters reports that Nissan has tracked the problem back to the Leaf air conditioning system.

At this point Nissan isn’t sure if the issue is with a component in the AC system or with the software. Nissan spokesman Toshitake Inoshita said, "When we know the exact cause, we will decide whether to issue a service bulletin, or take other steps."

So far, the Leaf has sold 452 units in the U.S. and 3,300 units in Japan. Exactly how widespread the issue is at this point is unknown. 



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RE: SP1
By Keeir on 4/12/2011 4:57:01 AM , Rating: 2
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$30k for just a commuter is ridiculous though


I get the limited range part.

But I don't really get why people feel the need to round up significantly (4k) and say X dollar's isn't worth it.

Even if we look at 20 cent per kWh electricity, over 100,000 miles the Leaf costs ~31,000 in initial purchase price - Federal Rebate + Fuel costs. In California there is another 5,000 rebate, taking your outlay as 26,000 - Residual Value.

Even the Cheapest Civic, at 16k is going to cost 30,000 - Residual Value after 100,000 miles.

Again, I am not saying the Leaf is for everyone.

Limited Range
Limited Cargo Space
Nissan
Battery Uncertainity (This is my biggest issue... air cooled batteries with no range extender...)

All valid reason to dislike the Leaf. Cost? No, cost is not an issue thanks to those Federal Rebates.


RE: SP1
By JediJeb on 4/12/2011 12:46:45 PM , Rating: 2
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All valid reason to dislike the Leaf. Cost? No, cost is not an issue thanks to those Federal Rebates.


Do they just hand you that cash at the time of purchase and take it off the bill, or is it a rebate that is applied to your total taxable income as a deduction?

For many it is the initial outlay that makes an EV cost prohibitive. For some it is more economically feasible to pay more over the life of the car than to be hit with more over a short period of time. Why doesn't the government just pay the car company the rebate amounts and let them take the price of the car down at the initial sale?

Of course the other problem I have with it is that I am paying for part of the rebate every time someone buys one of these. Plus if I wanted to buy one, they are not even for sale in my area, so I can't even take advantage of something that my taxes are funding.


RE: SP1
By Spuke on 4/12/2011 2:43:41 PM , Rating: 2
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Do they just hand you that cash at the time of purchase and take it off the bill, or is it a rebate that is applied to your total taxable income as a deduction?
It's a tax credit.


RE: SP1
By Spuke on 4/12/2011 3:08:01 PM , Rating: 2
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All valid reason to dislike the Leaf. Cost? No, cost is not an issue thanks to those Federal Rebates.
Cost IS an issue!!! Meter and service costs (some cities won't let you install a 2nd meter unless you get separate service..ask SCE about that) are real costs that real people are going to have to pay real money on. Ok, $26k then. STILL too much for a short range commuter car with extra costs for setup! If you have the cash, go for it. No value at all there for me. A used 2011/12 Focus will more than work without those extra costs.


RE: SP1
By Keeir on 4/12/2011 9:59:31 PM , Rating: 2
Yet again.

Not everyone lives in California.

I live near a Major (top ten) Metropolitian Area and my last electric bill was 8.2 cents per kWh. No Tiering. No special meter required.

Installation charges are bad... but at the same point you have to ask the question:
Why are you buying a new car if 2,000k in installation is going to break you?

A used car will always be a better bargin than a new car. If your trying to compare a NEW Leaf to a USED stripper Focus, there will never be a time a NEW electric car will win.

Plenty of people in this country outlay 30k, 40k, 50k on new car purchases.... and outlay 3k, 4k, 5k+ a year in fuel costs.

Leaf requires at most 36k outlay (unsubsidized + special 220V charger) and 1k a year in fuel.


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