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Window Phone 7's market slice contracted slightly in the closing months of last year. But the platforms true test will come when it reaches a fully-updated form, begins popping up in Nokia handsets, and hits Verizon/Sprint during Summer 2011.  (Source: Reuters)
Windows Phone may yet reverse the fortunes of the struggling giant, but the proof isn't there yet

Q4 2011 wasn't exactly the start for Windows Phone 7 that Microsoft might have dreamed of, but the platform is far from out of the picture.

Windows Phone 7 lost some ground in October 2010 through January 2011 of this year according to market research firm comScore.  The platform dipped from 9.7 percent market share to 8.0 percent.

Other losers for the quarter were HP's Palm unit, which fell from 3.9 to 3.2 percent, and RIM, which dropped from 35.8 to 30.4 percent.  Apple held steady, beginning at 24.6 and closing at 24.7 percent.  

The only real winner was Android that soared from 23.5 percent to 31.2 percent.  In other words -- Android is eating everyone else's lunch, except for Apple that is hanging steady due to its legion of loyal fans.

Ultimately this is news we've known for some time now.  Other market research reports have reported Android already having passed RIM and iOS.  The interesting and much-talked-about aspect of this particular report is the implication that Microsoft lost even more market share.

While it's tempting to predict to buy in to the gloom and predict the demise of Windows Phone 7 (and some are indeed doing exactly that), the outlook for Windows Phone 7 is pretty good.  With arguably the market's most cutting-edge user interface (and a well-liked one by customers to boot) Windows Phone 7 offers a unique profile.  

With a partnership with Nokia in hand it seems destined for a large boost in market share, possibly to the number two position, as Nokia phases out Symbian over the next year.  Many have expressed skepticism of this given Nokia's poor performance, but history shows that Nokia is more than capable of lingering around, market share-wise, despite an anemic smartphone lineup in the U.S.  And while recently revealed details indicate Microsoft may have essentially "bought" that market share via a $1B USD payout to Nokia, at the end of the day it's where the market moves that counts.

The reasons for the dip seem pretty straightforward.  

First, there was a limited number of handset options at launch time compared to Android and WP7 handsets haven't landed on Verizon or Sprint.  In this regard Microsoft will continue to suffer for a little while as a Microsoft spokesperson says that the handsets won't hit America's biggest and third biggest (respectively) carriers until June 30.

Second, many buyers on AT&T and T-Mobile who might be interested in Windows Phone 7 handsets may be waiting to see how Microsoft's intense cycle of early updates plays out.  Those updates will add functionality like third-party multi-tasking and copy and paste.  Likewise they're likely waiting for issues like update compatibility and phantom data to be cleaned up as Microsoft and its hardware partners break in the platform.

Microsoft proclaimed earlier this year that it sold 2 million "units" of Windows Phone 7 (licenses, not handsets) -- a rather misleading figure as its true handset totals were far from that.  Likewise, some of the platform's critics have been quick to call it a tremendous failure.

Reality is that Windows Phone 7's true potential won't be seen until it lands on Verizon -- effectively in July -- at the least.  Like Android's original launch, the most serious test will come at about the end of the year.  If the platform can't gain ground during the Nokia phase-in and with a year of updates under its belt, then it's time to worry.  But chances are that Microsoft's position will improve -- even if its start was far from what it might have hoped for in its most optimistic dreams.

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By SSDMaster on 3/8/2011 11:51:11 AM , Rating: 2
Who here is excited about WP7 and why? Why are you buying it over Android and iOS?

By chaos7 on 3/8/2011 12:08:42 PM , Rating: 2
As an owner of a LG Optimus 7 (got a free Xbox from Telus when I got it) which cost around 25$ with a 3 year term. Since the new xbox is now my media extender to my TV I wanted something that in the future might start to have more control over it, as well as wireless syncing when its plugged into the wall is the greatest thing ever. The platform still has a ways to go, and more decent mindless games would be nice (also the Xbox Live Games are kinda expensive).

But if you are looking into them just go play with some at the store, see which ones you like, they all have their pros and cons.

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By B3an on 3/8/2011 11:59:22 PM , Rating: 1
I love the interface for WP7. It's the smoothest, cleanest and most polished around. Makes iOS look dated. And one of the biggest problems with Android is that until recently (2.3) it's lacked GPU acceleration for the UI, so it's always lagged when scrolling and such even on the best hardware. Makes it seem slower even if the hardware is the fastest around. It's one of the first things people say when i show them Android "it's laggy" and then they instantly dismiss it and go back to there iPhone.
I'm just waiting for more features in WP7 before i get it - like many others.

And i dont see it saying anywhere that Windows Phone 7 marketshare has dropped at all. On the comScore site it just says Microsofts share on a whole has dropped, not WP7. So it most likely would have dropped from all the people that are still leaving Windows Mobile 6.x.

By npoe1 on 3/8/2011 12:58:28 PM , Rating: 2
I'm pretty happy with my WP7 (LG Optimus 7) and although it does have shortcomings among the more annoying are the ones that were not present in WM6.5 (Outlook connector, filemanager, browser with text reflow).

One thing that I love is the fact that I can program in C# for the phone even when you do need a developer license to load your apps to your phone.

By Belegost on 3/8/2011 2:17:43 PM , Rating: 3
So I have both an Android (MyTouch 4g) and WP7 (HTC HD7) and there's benefits and problems with both, but overall I prefer the WP7.

Android does have a more full app market, with some apps I can't find equivalents on WP7. Also, the ability to run certain apps (messengers) in the background on android is nice.

However, Android's interface is clunkier than a '78 oldsmobile. The widgets don't make up for the fact that half the things I want to do require too many steps, and serve to create a very cluttered set of homescreens. The tile system in WP7 is in a completely different league, and I found I could do the important things much easier.

Second, the Android module system is messy... for almost a week I couldn't use the voice chat app (the only reason I have the mytouch, my girlfriend is deaf) because one of the modules for HSDPA was corrupted by another app which caused all apps to fail to hook into the network connection. I eventually had to reset to factory to reset that module. MS implements a far more secure code environment. Which is another point, writing apps for WP7 is massively nicer than Android, I've tried both.

Finally, battery life. The MyTouch 4G and HD7 both use the same snapdragon chip with the same clocks, the mytouch implements HSDPA, but even restricted to GSM 3G the HD7 gets over twice the usable battery life. I can usually get about 7-8 hours out of the mytouch (and since 3 of my deaf friends have identical phones and don't get any better life, I think it's typical.) I generally charge my HD7 once at night and run it a full 16 hour day on that one charge. This despite the HD7 having a 1200mAH battery compared to 1400mAH in the mytouch. This is of course due to the fact that Android allows anything to keep running in the background and under lock, while that's nice when you want to use some apps, it drains the battery like no tomorrow.

By nikon133 on 3/8/2011 3:05:45 PM , Rating: 2

Having 3Gs, I was never tempted to get 4; I'm not expecting 5 will change that. For me, they are mostly more of the same. More pixels. More camera. More speed. More streamlined. But same software. Same GUI.

I'm guessing some people actually like not having to learn new tricks and feel comfortable with same GUI forever, but I like to see something different. Which is probably the reason I'm not that hot for Android either - GUI is having a lot of resemblance to iOS.

By EddyKilowatt on 3/9/2011 12:54:18 PM , Rating: 2
Me too... I like something different, at least with a simple thing like a phone OS. Whether it is cars and motorcycles or hi-fi and computers, just upgrading specs on the same functionality is seldom interesting or thought-provoking. It is good for the brain to experience a new way of doing things sometimes.

That said... I don't understand Microsoft's slowness with updates and just general buzz, if they are really investing in their new platform as they claim. It seemed an impressive six-month march from announcement to release during 2010, and then, just when the score seemed to call for a crescendo... phhhhhht.

Where is the steady drumbeat of updates? New (classier) devices? Apps, especially on third-party websites? With all the momentum built up by Nov 2010, why aren't we seeing WP7 in the headlines every month in 2011?

I give grudging respect to some of Microsoft's recent tech (Win7, HomeServer, WP7), but have never thought much of their marketing... and this time around with WP7 is just confirming that opinion.

By Da W on 3/8/2011 3:19:08 PM , Rating: 3

By Smilin on 3/9/2011 9:30:05 AM , Rating: 3
You sir are one of the 4, mabye 5 people in the world that know the ossum soss that is Zune. I'm one of the others.

Congrats on your experience brother.

By Ristogod on 3/9/2011 12:35:02 PM , Rating: 3
Zune Software > iTunes

Zune Rocks!

By Mitch101 on 3/8/2011 3:22:00 PM , Rating: 2
Im excited for it on Verizon I dont care for AT&T after my last conversation with them trying to obtain the phone.

1) X-Box 360 enhancements maybe even gimmicks I like it.
2) Microsoft Lync will be implemented down the line.
3) Integrations with Exchange more functionality than typical active sync devices.
4) Integration with Sharepoint beyond read-only.
5) I'm a VB programmer so programming the device will be easy.
6) Remote server administration
7) Easy sync with Windows Media Center
8) Zune Pass and Marketplace yes its very good.
9) Personally expandable hardware via memory slot.
10) Ability to sync photos and video with PC through the cloud.
11) Microsoft wireless sync with Zune Marketplace is a great option.

I like Android that might be my second choice but the hardware specs are getting fragmented and occasionally I get an App on my Nook that doesn't scale.

Apple <> Flash = Not how I want to experience the web.
No memory slots so not expandable must sell and upgrade.
Didnt completely fix the antenna issue on iPhone 4 no sense in buying the iPhone 3. Maybe iPhone 5 will change my mind.

Microsoft products have been very good for me over the years Im sticking with a company that has treated me well.

By Tewt on 3/8/2011 8:01:56 PM , Rating: 2
I have the Samsung Focus so concerning the following points

7) I don't see this capability now. Is it coming soon?

8) I don't use Zune Pass, the Marketplace is ok but the searches take much longer than in itunes. I know they are enhancing it in the future to better separate searches but I haven't read about any improvements on its speed.

9) It has been mentioned before in reviews of WP7 OS, not the hardware, that they do not support expandable storage. As far as I know, only the Samsung Focus allowed extra storage with a micro sd card. I would consider this an OEM feature not a WP7 feature.

10) I'm not sure what you mean by this feature. I can upload my photos to Skydrive no problem. I can't upload video. I can easily move my data from the phone to the computer through Zune software on MULTIPLE computers without first having to completely erase all content. Good job on that one MS and suck it Apple. Can you expand on this point? If there is something available that I could be using, I would like to know.

11) I like the wireless sync but I dislike the consistency of its performance so far. Having to have it plugged into a power supply is understandable but not desirable. I wish I could initiate the sync, once the connection is lost, without having to plug/unplug the phone.

By karhill on 3/8/2011 4:53:15 PM , Rating: 2
I own both an Android-based Samsung Galaxy S phone and a WP7-based HTC HD7. They both have strengths and weaknesses, but on a day-to-day basis I find myself using the WP7 phone more. Basically, the WP7 is buttery-smooth compared to the Galaxy S. The WP7 UI, which at first I thought was fugly as all get-out, is just much nicer to work with. The Android grid of App icons just feels so boring and dated, and, well, as said above, clunky in comparison. The WP7 phone is just a dream to work with for the common day-to-day tasks.

The WP7 phone boots faster (ug, not more media scanning on the Android) and I very rarely have to reset/reboot the WP7, about 1/4 as frequently as I do with the Android, so the WP7 is more robust. The email sync and especially the mobile Onenote and Onenote sync are fantastic things for an avid Onenote user. The Netflix app on the WP7 is great, but will apparently be available soon on the Android. The GPS works much better on the HD7, but the Samsungs are not known for their GPS (I do a lot of work in the mountains). The GPS is probably more of a specific hardware issue than an Android/WP7 issue. The camera is easier to use on the WP7. Battery life is generally longer on the WP7, but it's not long enough on either.

My kid, who also has a Samsung Galaxy S, loves the keyboarding input on the WP7 with its auto-correct feature. He's much faster texting on the WP7 than he is on the Galaxy S, which he otherwise defends fervently. The keyboarding alone, he says, is "almost enough" to make him switch. Personally, I try to avoid keyboarding on phones, it's just too slow for me. I tend to do short one-finger quickies, and for that the Android Swype input method is much better. Keyboarding summary: two thumbs is faster on the WP7, Android's Swype is great for one-finger fastness.

The Android app store is more complete and easier to use...searching the WP7 app store is a joke. The Android provides much better acess to the file system, which I really miss on the WP7. The limitations on 3rd party app multitasking on the WP7 is an issue in certain usage scenarios (but not that many for the casual user).

Basically, the Android is better for tinkering/geek donking around. The WP7 is better for the casual user who just wants an easy to use smartphone (e.g. my Dad doesn't know what a filesystem is and exposing it would just confuse him.)

By jonmcc33 on 3/8/2011 7:48:06 PM , Rating: 2
iOS? I will never pay for a single Apple product, ever.
Android? Because Google is the future Skynet.

By raddude9 on 3/9/2011 3:42:59 AM , Rating: 2
... And microsoft is the current skynet...

By Smilin on 3/10/2011 3:05:12 PM , Rating: 2
I think you mean Google.

By Helbore on 3/9/2011 7:34:41 AM , Rating: 2
I got to set up my first WP7 device for a client yesterday. I'm not sure its for me yet, but I did like a lot about it. I felt it seemed to slot in between Android and iPhone, offering a simpler interface than Android and a more useful home screen than iPhone.

I don't think I'd buy one for myself right now, as I don't feel it offers what I'd need in a device. But I'll be keeping an eye on it and I could be tempted in a years time if they keep up with developing the platform.

Neither iOS or Android were particularly good in the first iteration, either. In that respect, I'd say WP7 is actually doing well. I think its impressed me more at this stage than either of those platforms did this early in their run.

By Aloonatic on 3/9/2011 7:43:15 AM , Rating: 2
It depends how you define "the first iteration" though.

You see that 7 in WP 7 ?

This is not MS's first crack at a mobile/smartphone OS. Windows Mobile has been around for a long long time, longer than iOS and Android even.

By Flunk on 3/9/2011 8:33:24 AM , Rating: 2
But the codebase is mostly new (still uses wince kernel), therefore first iteration. It doesn't matter that marketing stuck a 7 on the end of the name.

By Aloonatic on 3/9/2011 9:26:03 AM , Rating: 2
But but but....

They've had many more years experience in the market, and are yet somehow still late to the game? They should at least have learned some of the lessons from others, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I'll grant you that things have moved on since Win Mobile, but still, that's hardly a mitigating factor, really.

The way some people here talk about Windows Phone 7, you'd think that MS had only just decided to start making a phone OS, and that's just not true. That they had to tare everything up and start again is hardly a great excuse either.

By Aloonatic on 3/9/2011 9:39:47 AM , Rating: 2
By the way, I have nothing against WP7, just nonsensical arguments.

I hope that MS do well, as long as their product is good.

That's all I care about really, a good product, not lame excuses and fanboyism.

For the record, I think it's silly to measure growth rates over such short time frames. Even if I really really really wanted a WP7 device, I wont be getting one until the end of this year, as that's when my current contract runs out.

They are late to the market, which is approaching saturation. Most of the new smart phone user growth is happening in the value end of the market. Not the higher spec'ed devices where MS seem to be placing their hopes, as many of these people already have a smart phone.

The one good side is that a lot of Android users are misers like me who don't really spend much on their apps, so shifting from one OS to another wont be such a hardship, as it might be for iPhone users. Perhaps that's something that MS can capitalise on? I know that come contract renewal time, I'll certainly be giving them a look :o)

By Smilin on 3/9/2011 4:13:28 PM , Rating: 2
Remember this:

1.They are late to *this* game but have made an impressive showing.
2.The game hasn't even really begun. Being #1 in smartphones right now is like being #1 in PC sales in 1984. The market hasn't even started yet.
3.They came late to the last smartphone game too. Within a few iterations they had obliterated the number one competitor...Palm doesn't even exist now.
4. Microsoft doesn't suck. Really. They've got talent, resources, partnerships, and R&D constantly rolling through the pipe.

I won't say they'll become number one but if you say they'll fail then you're a fool.

By Aloonatic on 3/9/2011 5:07:26 PM , Rating: 2
1- Impressive showing is a subjective thing. There fans here seem to eb happy, and I've never said that what they have made is bad, they just haven;t really wowed either, sharing the same problems ande deficiencies in their mobile OSes as others have on their first outings. The thing is, this isn't MS's first outing with a mobile OS, as you admit.

2- I think you're waaaay off there. When my mother-in-law has a smart phone, then you know that the market has more than only just started. Sorry. You can try to pretend if you want. However, as I mentioned in another comment, the smart phone market is pretty mature, and those people who want a high end smart phone (which is where MS seem to be positioning WP7) probably already have one. They might move over, including myself, but that will depend on contract lengths now.

3- I'm not sure what you are talking about? Is the smart phone market started or not? You seem to be picking and choosing here a little. They might have obliterated Palm in the PDA/smart phone stakes, but then what did RIM do to MS in the smart phone market? As well as Symbian too, which has, admittedly, fallen by te way side now. Also, are you agreeing that MS isn't new to the smart phone market too? Which is all that I have been arguing really. WP7 isn't just a first iteration, it's a re-branding of Windows Mobile, with a major over haul too.

4- I never said that MS sucked?!?!?

Never said that they would fail either.

By Smilin on 3/10/2011 10:55:58 AM , Rating: 2
1- Impressive showing is a subjective thing. There fans here seem to eb happy, and I've never said that what they have made is bad, they just haven;t really wowed either, sharing the same problems ande deficiencies in their mobile OSes as others have on their first outings. The thing is, this isn't MS's first outing with a mobile OS, as you admit.

Yep, it's subjective but most agree. Your distaste of MS is pretty subjective too.

2- I think you're waaaay off there. When my mother-in-law has a smart phone, then you know that the market has more than only just started. Sorry. You can try to pretend if you want. However, as I mentioned in another comment, the smart phone market is pretty mature, and those people who want a high end smart phone (which is where MS seem to be positioning WP7) probably already have one. They might move over, including myself, but that will depend on contract lengths now.

One anectode about your grandma is not a convincing argument. So you think the mobile device market has reached maturity then? If it's so mature why is it nearly doubling in size every year?

"Out of the 4.2 Billion mobile phones, 750 million are smartphones (about 18%)."

Assuming the total mobile phone market utterly stagnates that means the mobile phone market could still grow almost sixfold. But that's really not going to happen:

We're only now nearing the end of the beginning. The real war will be in the next decade when the market explodes by an order of magnitude.

3- I'm not sure what you are talking about? Is the smart phone market started or not? You seem to be picking and choosing here a little. They might have obliterated Palm in the PDA/smart phone stakes, but then what did RIM do to MS in the smart phone market? As well as Symbian too, which has, admittedly, fallen by te way side now. Also, are you agreeing that MS isn't new to the smart phone market too? Which is all that I have been arguing really. WP7 isn't just a first iteration, it's a re-branding of Windows Mobile, with a major over haul too.

I agree that you don't know what I'm talking about since you shooting wildly everywhere. Here is the simple version: MS has gone into markets as an underdog over and over and knocked out the competitors. To write them off would be a catastrophic folly.

4- I never said that MS sucked?!?!?
No, you didn't nor did I accuse you.

Never said that they would fail either.

No, what you seem to be saying (IMO) and that others seem to be missing is that this is a version 7 product. That is factually correct but not useful for this debate. For practical purposes it is a 1.0 product. MS last 1.0 product in this area was followed by successors that put a real hurt on their competitors. They (and the whole industry) slacked until a hungry competitor came along and they got knocked out. Now it's back to 1.0 again and so far it's looking innovative once again.

By Aloonatic on 3/11/2011 3:21:39 AM , Rating: 2
I don't know what debate you think I'm having, but all I started off saying was that WP7 isn't MS's first go at a mobile OS.

1- Why do you say that I have a distaste of MS? Just because I dared to point out what I did? Read my other comments, learn, sit back down and... :o)

2- You seem to have missed the point that I was making, and seem to be unable to comprehend the difference between a grand mother and mother in law, which is a little worrying. What I am saying, and could have said more clearly, is that high level smart phones, which MS seem to be exclusively aiming at, are pretty close to maturity. I suppose they don't have a great deal of choice in this, being so ate to the game however.

The smart phone that my mother-in-law has, however, is a HTC wildfire. Much of the growth in the smart phone will market now be in this cheaper and less powerful device area, IMO. Just as not all mobile phones a few years ago were top of the range camera phones, an awful lot were cheap and cheerful efforts.

3- Not sure why you say that I am spraying everywhere? I've been pretty specific, and just replied to what others have said since You'll notice that I started off with a simple point, only for others to tack issues on. Also, I've not written anyone off. Seriously, why so touchy about any criticism or non fanboy like supporting comment of blind, unquestioning support?

I'm also curious about MS ever being seen as the under-dog in any market that they enter. They might be the new boys, perhaps, but I doubt that anyone sees them entering a market as a little company that might not stand a chance against the big companies out there that are larger than them, like.... Erm, yeah, Palm were much bigger than MS? They don't always succeed tho. Even though many people here love zune, I have never met anyone who has used one in the real world. MS might have made the greatest product in the world with the zune, but zune has hardly become synonymous mobile MP3 players.

So, just as it's foolish to write them off as catastrophic folly (which I never did, and I agree with you, it would be stupid to write them off) it's also catastrophic folly to assume that they will definitely be #1 in the market.

4- If you weren't accusing me, then why put that statement in a comment that was clearly aimed at me?

Finally, I'm glad that you can see that I am factually correct. And you might also notice that in my very first sentence in all this I said that it depends on your point of view about what a first iteration is. You (clearly an MS fan seeing as you seem to take any criticism so personally) might like to think that this is effectively a first effort by MS, and yes, they have restarted their efforts, but to judger them on the same level as other companies who have not been making mobile OSes for years and years as MS have done is not correct, IMHO.

Again, as I have said in other comments, I hope that WP7 is great. I wont rule it out when it comes to contract renewal time, by any means.

By Helbore on 3/9/2011 12:37:26 PM , Rating: 2
No need to be condescending. I know what Windows Mobile was and owned many smartphones running it before Apple came along and made smartphones "cool to the masses."

It's because I owned so many prior Windows Mobile devices that I can blatently see that WP7 is practically a new OS. Put the two side-by-side and they don't even look alike, let alone behave the same.

Aside from being based on the same core codebase (WinCE), they've practically nothing in common. For all intents and purposes, WP7 is a totally new mobile OS. For that reason, I call it "the first iteration," rather than basing it on the existence of a previous line of products that the marketing department have chosen to continue the version numbering from.

By Aloonatic on 3/9/2011 1:05:08 PM , Rating: 2
I didn't intend to be condescending, and started my comment by saying that it depends on your definition of "the first iteration".

To me, it's not a good enough excuse for MS and their fans to make out like this is their first go at it, which is what appears to be being implied.

It;s a point of view thing. Put a Model T next to a new Focus, and just because they look different, it's hardly fair to call it their first iteration, and if it doesn't work well, well that's just fine.

I understand what you're saying, first iteration of this generation of mobile OS, but it still doesn't make up for the fact that they have been in this market for longer than others, and are still playing catch up, and it is (by your own admission) built on a well established core, which should only make it easier, surely?

Apple and Google might have had excuses for not getting it right first time, with their first efforts (buit on established cores too, no doubt, but still not with the mobile experience that MS has) and they made mistakes that MS should/could have learned from.

Seems to be one of those instances where MS is being given a bit of a free pass, IMO, but if you don't agree, then fair enough :o)

By Helbore on 3/9/2011 5:25:59 PM , Rating: 2
I guess I took at "you see that 7 there...." bit as being condescending, as if I hadn't worked out that this was being billed as the follow-up to WinMo 6.5. But if that wasn't your intention, then fair enough.

As you point out, both iOS and Android are built on solid codebases (OSX and Linux, both of which hark back to the UNIX/BSD days), so the codebase has little to do with the maturity of the platform. Using an existing codebase for the core has little to do with developing the overlying OS.

The reasons iOS and Android didn't get it right in their first iterations had little to do with them not knowing what was needed and much more to do with management-instructed release dates. Both companies could have put everything in for their first release, but that release would then have been years later, due to a longer required development schedule.

Microsoft's biggest mistake was failing to make significant improvements to WinMo when they had the chance. They sat back and put out new versions with barely any improvements between them. Once the got confronted with a real competitor, the old code was so far behind, it was clearly easier for them to scrap the whole thing, go back to the original codebase and rewrite the entire OS. You'll get no complaints from me if you want to criticise MS for their poor WinMo development strategy. They lost me as a customer to Google because of it.

But its because of that "return to codebase" decision that I consider WP7 - the platform - to be in its first iteration. When referencing the platform, I'm not thinking about poor business decisions MS has made in the past. They've scrapped the majority of WM code and started from scratch, so I'll judge this OS as a new OS - just as I'd judge any OS Microsoft may potentially, one day, put out based on the Singularity kernel and not hinder my views based on what was previously in NT-based Windows. Just as I did when judging NT-based Windows compared to 9x-based Windows, or OSX compared to the older MacOS.

By Smilin on 3/9/2011 9:28:52 AM , Rating: 2
The OS and UI are better.

It's fast as shvt and accomplishes the things I want it to do faster than iOS or Android could. It also has Zunepass integration which is *the* most enjoyable music ecosystem on the planet (AND a whopping 0.000001% of the market..woohoo!)

That's why.

Note: You will continue to think I'm crazy until someone has given you a solid 10min hands on demo. There is no picture, speclist, recorded demo that will really give you a fair shot at understanding.

BTW no hate here: iOS and Android are great.

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