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Amazon drops Google in favor of MSN for its A9 search unit

If the comments section are any proof, it doesn't seem as though many people are on Google's side when it comes to its complaint about Internet Explorer 7's default search engine. Google was quite upset that Microsoft's default search engine is MSN Search -- imagine that. Well, there's more bad news for the folks at Google as Amazon has dropped the company's search engine in favor of MSN Search for its A9 unit.

Microsoft has been losing marketshare to Google and Yahoo recently so this development should be somewhat of a boost for the company. Microsoft's share of the US search engine market in March stood at 11% compared to 49% and 22% for Google and Yahoo respectively. From Retuers:

Tennenhouse said the Google search was removed from the site on Sunday, following the expiration of that contract. He would not comment on the terms of the Microsoft deal, or whether a new contract with Google had been an option.

Microsoft's new search engine and user interface consolidates a variety of the software giant's Web services such as search, e-mail, instant messaging and security at its Live.com site.



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Other engines? Why?
By gramboh on 5/2/2006 1:12:30 PM , Rating: 2
People actually use other search engines besides Google? I can maybe understand Yahoo but who the hell uses MSN Search, it is utterly useless.




RE: Other engines? Why?
By TomZ on 5/2/2006 1:17:10 PM , Rating: 2
I think it's the case that google is ahead now, but Microsoft is working very hard to get MSN search to be as good as or better than google. It's possible they will leapfrog google in the near future.


RE: Other engines? Why?
By Nekrik on 5/2/2006 1:40:29 PM , Rating: 2
You live in a pretty isolated world. Many people have started to use MSN, at least on occassion, as they do sometimes provide better results. When it comes to a search engine, I think it is more important to get the proper results, I could care less who provides them. I have no loyalty to google for this and they really don't offer any features (or apps) that I can't find equivalents or better alternatives to. I've also seen posts of some people who have started to get annoyed with how many adds they sometimes get returned from Google.


RE: Other engines? Why?
By figroc on 5/2/2006 11:23:52 PM , Rating: 2
well. MSN puts ads at the top of results, Google puts ads aside right of results. I think Google is more friendly to users.


RE: Other engines? Why?
By tigen on 5/8/2006 8:13:36 PM , Rating: 2
Google has them at both the top the side, though not on all searches.


RE: Other engines? Why?
By tappertrainman on 5/2/2006 2:17:05 PM , Rating: 2
Utterly useless?

Do you know what you are saying? You imply that searching with MSN, for example "World of Warcraft", will not return any usable results with MSN? Try it sometime, you get the same major results with any search engine.


RE: Other engines? Why?
By KeypoX on 5/2/2006 5:43:52 PM , Rating: 2
quote: "Utterly useless?

Do you know what you are saying? You imply that searching with MSN, for example "World of Warcraft", will not return any usable results with MSN? Try it sometime, you get the same major results with any search engine."

Hmmm i tried your little plot and no it was not the same useless and more usless on msn... yeah i am "fanboyish" or whatever for the better engine


RE: Other engines? Why?
By OddTSi on 5/2/2006 3:34:05 PM , Rating: 2
Perhaps you should actually try to do a few searches on something other than Google before saying something fanboyish like that. Yahoo and MS have stepped up their game and now the top 3 search engines all return practically equally valid results.

I was already going back and forth between Google and MSN Search for a while before MS released Live.com. One use of the "infinite scrollbar" and I was hooked.


RE: Other engines? Why?
By tappertrainman on 5/2/2006 6:00:18 PM , Rating: 2
And I didn't even know about the "infinite scroll-bar", that alone makes me want to try LIVE for a while.


RE: Other engines? Why?
By ssvegeta1010 on 5/6/2006 10:03:21 PM , Rating: 2
"Infinite scrollbar" is definitely not worth switching for. Its alright.... but nothing too special at all. It lags a little, and I like knowing where I am in my results.


RE: Other engines? Why?
By Chiisuchianu on 5/2/2006 4:30:49 PM , Rating: 2
Ever since Google had to hand over its search info to the government MSN and the rest now have search engines that pretty much rival it if not are identical to it. What a coincidence huh?


RE: Other engines? Why?
By Nekrik on 5/2/2006 5:19:52 PM , Rating: 2
If your implying they copied their technology I'd be interested in any data actually backing that up. Speculation is crap and a big source of BS rumors.

It will be interesting to see what Google releases in the same time frame as Microsoft's next release.


RE: Other engines? Why?
By Nekrik on 5/2/2006 5:21:35 PM , Rating: 2
crappy edit to lack of abilty to type: your >> you're


RE: Other engines? Why?
By yzhu92 on 5/7/2006 5:36:21 AM , Rating: 2
who gives i use both msn & google searches

definitely not yahoo, that just sucks.

y rnt microsoft allowed to put msn as their default search engine in ie7?

y does firefox have google as their default search engine?
and its basically impossible to add msn search to firefox without searching the net for about 10 seconds ... yeah.

u can customize it, so who gives


Google > MSN Search
By jediknight on 5/2/2006 2:36:25 PM , Rating: 5
Here's proof.
Say, I'm looking for some adult images. I do a google image search, and an MSN image search (safe search turned off for both, obviously).

The MSN one does not return ANY explicit results! No kidding.. try it!

Conclusion:
Google >> MSN search.




RE: Google > MSN Search
By Duwelon on 5/2/2006 2:57:50 PM , Rating: 2
Lol don't let religious groups find out. Officially every christian jew and muslim will ban google. Officially.


RE: Google > MSN Search
By animedude on 5/2/2006 3:01:49 PM , Rating: 1
Now you see why MSN is losing market share. Pissed off the customers. Pron advertisements = google's revenue.


RE: Google > MSN Search
By Methusela on 5/2/2006 6:02:12 PM , Rating: 2
Not to mention, but MSN is clearly a ripoff of the style used by Google.

Do the exact same text search by starting at both:

http://www.google.com

and

http://www.msn.com

The results are similar, but the formatting is EXACTLY THE SAME!!!!! Google's format, layout, and style was copied by MSN! Look at even the minor details; they're almost identical!

I now understand why Google is pissed. MSN stole their style, their mojo, etc.

What a joke.


RE: Google > MSN Search
By Nekrik on 5/2/2006 9:15:13 PM , Rating: 2
How would you suggest they present text results in an 'original' way? You browser is configured to use a specific font for text, links, etc... Would you have been happier if they display text vertically or something? Your logic implies that Google earth is clearly a ripoff of Nasa World Wind, they fricken put Mexico and the USA in the same places.


RE: Google > MSN Search
By Methusela on 5/3/2006 11:44:14 AM , Rating: 2
Uhh, not at all. You went way off the deep end, guy.

The fact is that the layout, the features, the formatting, and the text styles are exactly the same. Indentations are the same. The search-relevant ads are in the same position relative to the results. MSN even went so far as to show how quickly the search completed in exactly the same location as Google does. I fail to see how that can be seen as anything other than a direct ripoff, unless Google licensed their design to MSN.


MSN > Google
By Orpheus333 on 5/2/2006 3:09:15 PM , Rating: 2
Thats right. I said it.

In my experience the MSN search isn't anything to bash and the only reason you haters are hating on it its because its from microsoft.

Personally I'm all for microsoft and hate google. I've forgiven M$ for Windows ME and Google will just become the next "microsoft" and sooner or later everyone will hate them. I want to be the original hater of google. Mark my words. Besides, Microsoft is the only company that can compete with google- isn't that whats best for the consumer?




RE: MSN > Google
By Nekrik on 5/2/2006 3:14:15 PM , Rating: 2
One fairly common idea I've heard people speculate is that Google will become the next Apple, eventually settling into their own niche.


RE: MSN > Google
By johnediii on 5/2/2006 3:19:27 PM , Rating: 2
You and me both. It's not that I hate Google as much as I hate all the people who hate microsoft. All I hear is whining. I have a customer who just purchased a handfull of new Dell workstations. They all came with Google Desktop installed and within minutes of beginning to install their software(including but not limited to MS Office 2003) Google desktop had crashed the first couple machines until I started uninstalling it as the first step. Speaking of utterly worthless. Why would Dell do such a thing to their customers?


RE: MSN > Google
By TomZ on 5/2/2006 3:28:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why would Dell do such a thing to their customers?

Google is probably paying Dell to pre-install their software, would be my guess.


A9 just a wrapper?
By ninjit on 5/2/2006 1:19:06 PM , Rating: 2
I thought A9 was it's own search engine, at least they make it seem that way on Amazon.




RE: A9 just a wrapper?
By RandomFool on 5/2/2006 1:22:35 PM , Rating: 2
i always thought it was it's own engine too, of course i never acually used it...


This makes perfect sense.
By spookynutz on 5/2/2006 4:02:12 PM , Rating: 4
Wow, deja vu. Yesterday I bought a Dodge Magnum and the radio station defaulted to 105.9 instead of the far superior 88.7. Needless to say, I was enraged by this unethical behaivor. I immediately called up 89x and told them to commence litigation against Daimler-Chrysler for these underhanded business practices. I may know how to change the tuner to another station, but 99.9% of the non-elite, car driving world will just use the default station! Why can't anyone understand that?! Damn you Chry$ler!




ask.com anyone?
By jimmi on 5/2/2006 4:14:17 PM , Rating: 2
Am I the only one here who uses ask.com (previously known as Ask Jeeves) for searching? Well, most of the time I use google (I think their results are better than MSN in European countries), but ask.com also gives very nice results, it's often more accurate than google.




RE: ask.com anyone?
By InternetGeek on 5/2/2006 11:54:57 PM , Rating: 2
I used to be a fan of ask. I even based my thesis to obtain my engineering degree on a semantic search engine on the way ask indexed their results. I used them as benchmark to compare my limited tool.

I would love to see google work on improving their results instead of just throwing thousands of related links. Sometimes they are not even closely related to the query. As much as MSN is hated I've noticed their results tend to be more useful when solving a doubt.


Search Engine
By cruises44 on 5/2/2006 1:39:21 PM , Rating: 1
MSN!! Are they still in business??
Microsoft will never catch up.




RE: Search Engine
By robber98 on 5/2/2006 2:28:30 PM , Rating: 2
Never say never... ;)


Your all missing the point.
By techuser86 on 5/2/2006 2:59:54 PM , Rating: 2
If Google can't make a stand about having all the OEM's install their software from the get go. They will be losing market share within about 2 years. Administrators/Corporations are tight about letting users install software. Googles product currently opens potential security risks.
It's not always whom is better but what's the standard.
Microsoft Vista Corporate/Enterprise version ships on October 27th 2006.
From that point on every desktop with Vista (Corp/Ent)edition will come standard with the Microsoft desktop search/MSN engine. If you get a Vista desktop and you can't install Google Desktop(not an admin, not authorized by your company), your probably going to use the built in product.

Google is better. They have more innovations. When Vista becomes the standard OS, the markets will swing. Unless Google is able to fight for fair market representation I don't see how they can overcome Microsoft.
And for all those who won't buy Vista, sorry, your getting it. Microsoft will force all the OEM's and builders to Vista over time. Much faster than you will get your administrator to give you rights to install google.

Microsoft has many laywers and knows the game on pushing time. This could be a repeat of Netscape.




By Cunthor01 on 5/3/2006 1:52:47 AM , Rating: 2
As long as it works, and does a better job than other search I will use it. Even if its made by Microsoft. And in all fairness, they can integrate it far better in MS apps than Google will ever be able to do.




The Answer
By WiseTurtle on 5/3/2006 1:59:27 AM , Rating: 2
Google is God.




Don't forget the IDIOTS!
By Samus on 5/3/2006 2:20:28 AM , Rating: 2
Remember, 90% of the internet websurfers are idiots, and idiots don't like Google because of its lack of adds, hence lack of color and graphics.

Stupid people like that crap, who cares about the substance!




Umm, so what?
By mindless1 on 5/3/2006 10:26:55 AM , Rating: 2
I just can't recall the last time (any time, actually) I went to Amazon.com to do a web search, nor looked around on Amazon's page to find that Google search box. I just went to even see if I could find the search box and sure enough it's there... but is just one of the myriad things cluttering up Amazon and a reason NOT to use the 'site. When will they realize I ONLY want what I'm specifically looking for, not 20% SNR.

Why would we possibly care? MS has't won anything, this is just silly.





Meh, whatever.....
By ToeCutter on 5/6/2006 10:06:55 AM , Rating: 2
Okay, read the comments, went to check out Live.com.

Page loaded 98% and locked up IE tight as a drum, THREE times in a row.

Try again MS....




My own test...MSN wins!
By timmiser on 5/9/2006 2:20:22 AM , Rating: 2
I just did my own little test amongst the big 3 search engines. I search for the word: newegg

Google had one advertisement. One from newegg.

Yahoo had two advertisements. One from newegg. One from ebay.

But MSN wins because they had two advertisements. One was Ebay, and the other was GIRLS IN BIKINIS!!

I kid you not. Try for yourself.





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