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Oh snap, Verizon just gave a dig at AT&T's voice coverage in its new iPhone commercial.  (Source: Verizon via YouTube)

With pre-order quotas already sold out, the iPhone 4 prepares to land on Verizon's network next Thursday.  (Source: Android Community)
AT&T's efforts to roll out femtocells may not be enough to stave off the hungry iPhone

Pre-orders of Verizon's iPhone 4 sold out at approximately 8:10 p.m. EST Thursday night, according to a Verizon press release.  Those strong sales propelled the iPhone 4 to take the honor of becoming the fastest selling pre-sale phone in Verizon's history.

Next Thursday -- on Feb. 10, 2011 -- the iPhone 4 will get a chance to set more records when it officially launches at Verizon stores at 7 a.m. 

Verizon and Apple did not reveal how many units of the phone were called for during the pre-order, but stated that the demand was unprecedented.  They also would not say how many additional units would be available at stores at launch.  About the only thing they did say, was to post a message telling customers to check back the night before -- Feb. 9 at 3:01 a.m. for the possibility of more pre-order action.

The Verizon iPhone 4 earned largely positive reviews.  Despite its hardware being a bit dated by Android standards, its huge app library, new Wi-Fi hotspot functionality, slick operating system (iOS 4.x), improved reception, and remedied hardware issues led most reviewers to lavish it with praise.  About the only negative sentiments expressed were misgivings about Verizon's policies/prices/fees and some reviews results such as Engadget's which claimed Verizon's data network was slower (a CNET story claimed the opposite).

And the phone also benefits from the fact that the majority of iPhone users have lumped all the blame for various issues over the years on AT&T, by and large, despite some problems being equally or more the fault of Apple.  Thus the jump to Verizon will likely please the iPhone-loving masses from a pure cathartic perspective, even if the experience isn't night-and-day different from their stay on AT&T.

Verizon is doing its best to rub its better coverage in AT&T's face.  Having long suffered from "I want the iPhone, do you have it?" syndrome, the carrier now tastes sweet revenge in commercial form [video].  Iconic "Verizon Guy" Paul Marcarelli appears in a new add, playing with his new iPhone toy as a voice narrates, "It's beautiful. It's intelligent, even genius. But does your network work?"

At that point Verizon Guy's phone rings, and he answers it "Yes, I can hear you now."

That's about as clear a shot at AT&T's voice service as you can get.  And it’s yet another example of Verizon's aggressive advertising attacks on its second place rival that led to an unhappy AT&T unsuccessfully trying to sue Verizon, a little over a year ago.

MacRumors is reporting that AT&T has gone into panic mode, giving out free femtocells to iPhone customers to improve their quality of service, in an effort to stave off Verizon.  The femtocells provide users with a bubble of high quality 3G coverage even in areas where signal strength is typically weak.

AT&T can currently take comfort in the fact that it arguably offers the best Windows Phone 7 handset selection, though they aren't exactly selling like crazy.  As Verizon closes in on picking up Windows Phone 7, as well, AT&T will likely try to continue to beef up its Android and Windows Phone 7 portfolio to attract new customers, even as iPhone users defect. 

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They were meant to be sold out!
By justjc on 2/4/2011 3:47:23 PM , Rating: 5
Please DailyTech, do not fall for the Apple sold out trick again.

You don't find it incredibly convenient that Apple always seem to sell more than they officially planned for, making every just slightly successful Apple product sell out in the first days?
After all with more than 5 years of this happening Apple could probably plan to have the right amount, but they deliberately don't.

There is good reasons not to.
It fits into the marketing plan of making Apple an exclusive brand, although it really isn't anymore, because exclusive is what the recently launched product is to the guy that have been waiting for hours just to be among the first to get one. A feeling he will surely show when the media covering the launch interviews him.
Having enough wouldn't make the sold out news spread across the media either, something Apple surely want as it reminds the people of the world that there is a new Apple gadget they can buy on the street soon.
And those are just the ones my tired head could come up with, but I'm sure there is more.

RE: They were meant to be sold out!
By BB33 on 2/4/2011 5:22:02 PM , Rating: 2
The first thought to come to mind when I read the headline was oh only 10 for each city in the U.S. but on a serious note I hope there is a mass exodus from att they will either wake up and get their crap strait or fall. I would like to see a 4 way battle striving to get customers with great prices, coverage and service.

RE: They were meant to be sold out!
By mcnabney on 2/4/2011 8:06:18 PM , Rating: 3
Great Prices....Customer Service....Coverage

Pick two

(and in AT&T's case, pick none)

RE: They were meant to be sold out!
By vol7ron on 2/4/2011 8:57:41 PM , Rating: 4
That's about as clear a shot at AT&T's voice service as you can get.
Um, no. Are you just writing words to fill space, or do you really believe that? A clear shot would be, "AT&T your network sucks, ours doesn't." Instead, Verizon's commercial only implied that and as we all know, implications are not clear.


BTW, mcnabney , there are still downsides to Verizon:

» a possible 5% top tier throttled (what constitutes being at the top - is it just for the day? month? instant burst? just when they are checking?) sounds like they can put any user in that category

» no simultaneous phone and 3G (I use it often to order food while looking at a menu =] or reading an email to someone)

» the fact that it's an Apple product (locked App Store [where's my Grooveshark?], no gesture lock screen, not true multitasking, no Adobe Flash, slow roll-outs for both software/hardware updates)

» Verizon customer service is shit and their network is overpriced (including home internet and TV)

RE: They were meant to be sold out!
By tayb on 2/5/11, Rating: -1
By Alexstarfire on 2/5/2011 6:20:22 PM , Rating: 3
Illegal tethering? Care to explain that? I haven't seen anything that says you can't tether your phones on the Verizon network. I actually looked it up to see what their policy was but I couldn't find one. Regardless, the policy itself is what sucks, not really just that they are throttling people. Their "unlimited" plan isn't really unlimited anyway and that's the only plan you could be talking about with tethering since if you used other plans you'd just pay and arm, a leg, and both your nuts for any massive amounts of data. Having a seemingly arbitrary number like the "top 5%" is the problem. IDK how much data each individual in the top 5% uses, but the top 5% could very well include people who aren't using what most would call a massive amount of data. We'll never know though, since we'll never see the numbers.

My only other complaint/disagreement about your post is Adobe Flash. I don't use it most of the time, but I can turn it on/off for individual websites. I love that I can do that. Means I can have when I need/want it, and it can shove off when I don't. I think you should look into some browsers that allow you to do that.

I think people need to stop looking at the number of apps in an app store to determine which is better. Having hundreds of thousands more apps, which it probably isn't actually THAT much more but that's beside the point, doesn't mean much when most of them are duplicates/copies of each other. I'd like to see the picture when you take out identical programs, such as the multitude of puzzle and picture applications. No doubt there are probably still more in Apple's app store, but I'd be surprised if there was more than a slight difference. It'd also be nice to compare what is/isn't on each market. Unfortunately I don't think that'll ever get done since it's mostly just a time consuming effort.

By vol7ron on 2/9/2011 7:45:34 PM , Rating: 1
No, as stated, it's an implied shot. They didn't come out and say anything about AT&T.

You can just as well imply that all the other phones on the Verizon network suck and that the iPhone is the savior. Or that it's comparing to Sprint. Or, that the iconic Vzn guy finally got his hearing aid back and can finally stop annoying me with the stupid commercials that was only somewhat clever the first time it was aired.

Because it's all inference, it's not a direct shot. You are ignorant if you think so. When there is little-to-no-room for other plausible explanations of the "shot", then it might be considered a direct shot, but if not even a brand was mentioned, then no. You're wrong. Don't even try to respond.

RE: They were meant to be sold out!
By mcnabney on 2/7/2011 9:30:15 AM , Rating: 2
They indicated that they will only throttle when a tower's capacity is reached, so it makes sense to slow the hogs down to maintain service for everyone.

There are only three technologies that run data/voice concurrently. HSPA(+), Wimax, and LTE. CDMA/EVDO can't because Qualcom designed it that way. Truthfully, I didn't know that until I saw the AT&T add a while back. I didn't know it because I never even tried to use both at the same time. I guess that is important if that is something you routinely do.

Apple is Apple. You expect Verizon to change Apple. Yeah, they'll get right on that.

All of the customer service metrics still show Verizon at the top (with a gaining Sprint). They have been there for almost a decade. AT&T is at the bottom, and when I say bottom, I mean really really really low. Also, US Cellular has great customer care too.

By vol7ron on 2/9/2011 7:40:02 PM , Rating: 2
Verizon is overpriced and not willing to work with you for deals. Granted providers like AT&T and Comcast might not be better, but they're willing to offer packages not seen on the web or in store - that's a little better customer service.

The Dual talk/3G (or CDMA/EVDO) is only as important as you use it, granted. But there have been times where I'm using the GPS, while talking, while browsing the web. All three antennas - to have to say "I'll call you back" may be a pain for me, especially since I don't like talking on the phone in the first place.

What's more upsetting is how it'll kick you off the phone if you have an incoming call. So while you're running and listening to your Pandora, in comes a call, out goes your connection. Thus, you must stop running, re-navigate Pandora, sweaty up your phone and get back to work. Pandora might be a bad example... it might auto restart, but the connection will still break.

If age has given me any wisdom, I have learned that what companies "say" and "do" are two different things. Having it on paper gives them the means to do it. Essentially it gives them the right to really mess with your service if you piss them off. I don't think I read anything that defined what the top 5% was --- to me it seems an instantaneous top 5% at any time, so whenever you're using bandwidth, you may be considered top 5% at that specific moment, if that's when Verizon wants to choose it to be.

I wish this all the best, but I still don't think I want to lock myself into an app store that only has one manufacturer backing it. If something happens to Apple like this whole thing with what's happened to Intel, or Apple decides to get out of the mobile market, there goes all your App Store purchases, no chance to convert them over to Android. On the other hand, there are many manufacturers backing Android, thus hardware has more staying power, thus software will likely be more future-proof.

All in all, we need competition. I applaud Apple for leading the charge, but am putting my faith in its competitors to sink the ball in the hole.

RE: They were meant to be sold out!
By superPC on 2/4/2011 5:35:25 PM , Rating: 2
and this takes the spotlight away from the really interesting news:
nokia-MS alliance!

come on DT! you're getting way behind. no news about kepler mission finding dozens of planets in habitable zones, no news on Nokia MS alliance, what else did you leave behind?

RE: They were meant to be sold out!
By B3an on 2/4/2011 8:06:12 PM , Rating: 3
It would be harder to sensationalize them articles for Mick. He only cares about hits.

And even though a lot of people seem to have the brains on here to realise how **** apple products are, articles about the company bizarrely often still get the most hits on DT.

RE: They were meant to be sold out!
By superPC on 2/5/2011 6:20:10 AM , Rating: 1
ouch that's harsh. but if hits is what DT after than maybe they don't report those news because it's already old news and wouldn't get too many hits.

and apple article getting most hits on DT is because we here want to enlighten everyone who uses apple product. we want them to see the product for what they are: overpriced, underperforming (without jailbreak), doesn't use state of the art component.

By michael2k on 2/5/2011 3:26:37 PM , Rating: 3
So it's your fault so many Apple articles get posted. Not the fact that they single handedly sold 16m iPhones last quarter, but that the anti Apple folk are trying to teach the millions of iPhone owners.

By Tony Swash on 2/5/2011 11:42:27 AM , Rating: 1
and this takes the spotlight away from the really interesting news:
nokia-MS alliance!

I saw the reports of a possible Nokia-Microsoft alliance and my first thought was two mobile failures team up hoping to make one success. Desperation. Two bald men decide to work together to look for a comb.

RE: They were meant to be sold out!
By Tony Swash on 2/4/11, Rating: -1
RE: They were meant to be sold out!
By sprockkets on 2/4/2011 7:26:28 PM , Rating: 2
Soooooo, if that's the case why don't they release the actual sales numbers?

I'm sure if they are so great they wouldn't have any issue gloating about it.

By SPOOFE on 2/6/2011 8:48:40 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sure if they are so great they wouldn't have any issue gloating about it.

Hmm? Sure they do. If they boast and then see a bad quarter (or not even a bad quarter; just one slightly less good than before), that makes 'em look even worse than if they had kept their talk fairly close to the vest. "Pride goes before a fall."

RE: They were meant to be sold out!
By michael2k on 2/4/2011 6:36:36 PM , Rating: 2
You really think this is a trick?
When AT&T and Apple sold out of iPhones in 2010, they sold 1.7m iPhones in 5 countries.

Again in 2009 they sold 1m iPhone 3GS. And in 2008? 1m iPhone 3G.

By comparison, it took the 2009 Droid 74 days to hit 1m. The 2010 Galaxy S took 45 days to hit 1m.

It's not a trick or marketing plan. It's really the fact that over a million people want a Verizon iPhone.

RE: They were meant to be sold out!
By omnicronx on 2/4/2011 7:13:16 PM , Rating: 3
I'm not sure if I believe it, but its not out of the realm of possibility.

If you know that your supply line is going to reach capacity down the line eventually, then it can't really hurt you to create the illusion that your item is selling out, be specifically understocking the known demand.

While this would make little sense for most companies, Apple is not most companies. They could very well know that they will sell out eventually either way, and why not give their device a little extra marketing.

I just find it a tad bit suspect that after 4 years, they have not made sure they have enough phones upon release.. Especially when they knew there would be huge demand for the device.

RE: They were meant to be sold out!
By michael2k on 2/5/2011 3:29:59 PM , Rating: 2
No one else sells millions of phones in a three day period like this. I'm not certain supply chain management is designed for that. Supply chain is designed around weeks of inventory, months of manufacturing capacity, and quarters of sales.

RE: They were meant to be sold out!
By JKflipflop98 on 2/5/2011 5:53:54 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, but they knew a year in advance at least this would happen. You don't think that with over a year's lead time they could have manufactured enough phones? Of course they could, and they did.

Now they're sitting in a big warehouse while the news media goes "OMFG they're sold out!" and all the apple fanboys come out in droves thinking "it's because it's sooooo popular!". Well sure it's popular. But it's not that popular.

RE: They were meant to be sold out!
By michael2k on 2/5/2011 8:42:09 PM , Rating: 2
So how popular? Half a million? One million? No other phone sells like this. The only way this could have been avoided is if Apple had stockpiled 3m iPhones for Verizon, and that's crazy. Thats an entire month of manufacturing ready for a single day. More cost effective to not stockpile and just do normal manufacturing, which means no need to warehouse iPhones for over a month.

RE: They were meant to be sold out!
By Alexstarfire on 2/5/2011 9:16:27 PM , Rating: 2
They have to be storing these new Verizon iPhones somewhere until they launch. I don't see how storing more of them until that day changes the cost effectiveness much, if at all.

RE: They were meant to be sold out!
By michael2k on 2/7/2011 2:11:32 PM , Rating: 2
Let me try to explain:
Start stockpiling the last week of January
Continue stockpiling until the last week of February
Warehouse costs for a month for 4m phones and push back delivery until March 10th.

Don't stockpile, instead start manufacturing the last week of January
Deliver 1m phones the first week of February
Keep manufacturing and have another 1m phones the second week of February
Etc, so by the end of March they will have manufactured, shipped, and sold 4m phones.

Identical end effect, but they can start shipping 4 weeks earlier and not incur the storage costs for the first three weeks of manufacturing.

RE: They were meant to be sold out!
By Alexstarfire on 2/7/2011 2:35:07 PM , Rating: 2
I think I understand, but what you say only makes perfect sense if they don't use a warehouse period. If they are already paying for a warehouse then what I said holds true even if it makes more sense to do what you say, though you'd still be right about the release date and end effect either way.

By michael2k on 2/8/2011 2:54:12 AM , Rating: 2
The difference is scope. Stockpiling requires 4x as much warehouse space as not. It also means any phone manufactured in the first week would arrive with nearly 0% battery.

By Targon on 2/5/2011 10:43:32 PM , Rating: 2
No other phone gets this much hype and marketing behind it, even the Verizon Droid phones don't push this much.

You have to look at this from a logical breakdown of people who will be buying the iPhone on Verizon, just to give some perspective...

You have the people in areas with known bad cell phone reception, yet people ran out to buy the iPhone with AT&T. These people will run to Verizon without checking if Verizon is any better in their area because they assume that it is just the fault of AT&T, not that they live in the middle of nowhere.

You have the people who were on Verizon and who did not switch to AT&T just to get the iPhone, yet they DID want the iPhone.

You will have the people who disliked AT&T previously who wanted the iPhone but didn't want to go to AT&T for it.

Many people will make the shift to the Verizon version of the iPhone....and will find they are just as unhappy if not more unhappy with Verizon than they were on AT&T. The grass is always greener on the other side, right?

In any sort of shift, you add up all of the above, and you get a lot of sales, no question there, but the results over the next two years after the new two year contracts are signed are what people should be paying attention to. Many people replaced their iPhone 3GS that they bought only a year before the iPhone 4, and while the sales numbers are there, these customers did not increase the percentage of users with an iPhone. If you replace your phone, you do not have TWO phones, you have one with one sitting on a shelf or sent over to eastern Europe, or something like that, effectively GONE.

Note that Apple made promises for a white iPhone that was supposed to be released shortly after the iPhone 4 launch...can you really believe EVERYTHING that Apple tries to claim? Hype, advertising, and smart marketing tricks...Apple has talent there, but they are fighting a stagnation in product design while the competition shows more innovation that IS taking a lot of the spotlight these days.

So, again, if you have people currently on AT&T who go to Verizon, they are not increasing the number of iPhone users if they can't or don't sell their old phone to someone who doesn't have an iPhone already.

RE: They were meant to be sold out!
By sprockkets on 2/4/2011 8:30:13 PM , Rating: 2
So they sold 16 mil phones last quarter.

And they knew for the past 1+ year they were going to build a CDMA phone.

So far they ran out of their initial batch for current verizon customers. It does NOT mean they ran out of CDMA phones already.

So yes, I smell iTurds.

RE: They were meant to be sold out!
By Tony Swash on 2/5/2011 6:01:33 AM , Rating: 1
So yes, I smell iTurds.

We do know from Verizon's official press release that " At 8:10 p.m. EST yesterday, Verizon ceased online orders of iPhone 4 to existing customers and ended the most successful first day sales in the history of the company."

So we know that Verizon says it sold more iPhones on it's first day than any other product it has ever released.

There are reports that Verizon may have sold a million iPhones 4 on the first day, beating AT&T's 600,000 iPhone 4's on it's first day back in 2010

Trying to pretend that there is some sort of fishy business going on at best looks like simple sour grapes and at worst looks childish. Whether you like it or not every actual piece of evidence strongly, one could say overwhelmingly, suggests that the Verizon iPhone 4 will be a smash hit. And that lots of Verizon Android handset owners are planning to switch to iPhone 4.

I fear all you smell is your own mental flatulence :)

RE: They were meant to be sold out!
By sprockkets on 2/5/2011 9:16:23 AM , Rating: 2
Actual sales numbers or STFU.

RE: They were meant to be sold out!
By Tony Swash on 2/5/2011 11:33:03 AM , Rating: 2
Actual sales numbers or STFU.

Relax. The numbers will come sooner or later. As will the queues and packed Apple Stores as the new Verizon customers flock to the iPhone in their millions.

Here is my prediction. The queues for the iPhone on day one of over the counter availability will be bigger than any other phone (including all the Android models) ever released by Verizon, heck they will be bigger than the queues for any phone ever released by anyone except for other iPhone models. And thats queues for a phone model that has been out for nearly nine months already.

The Verizon iPhone is going to be a gigantic success.

How much do think the Android sales will be dented by the Verizon iPhone?

By Alexstarfire on 2/5/2011 5:56:17 PM , Rating: 2
I didn't see anyone say that the phone wouldn't be a success. All they are really saying is that without actual numbers saying you sold out doesn't mean all that much.

I can't really agree with what they are saying though. It doesn't say they sold out of the iPhones. It just says they sold out of the pre-order bunch. No one ever puts the whole stock available for pre-orders, except for 1 product/game that is at the back of my mind. I remember Gamestop not having enough of something to give out all the pre-orders once but that's it.

This "article" doesn't really say anything that most people couldn't have easily guessed/predicted about the Verizon iPhone 4.

I'm sure there will be queues, most people are idiots after all. And no, I'm not saying they are stupid to buy the phone, but you must be pretty stupid to wait for 4+ years just to rush out on the first day of sales to wait in line to get one. It's not like in a month, probably not even that long, there won't be more to buy.

I'll be very interested at the number whenever they get posted.

By michael2k on 2/5/2011 3:23:25 PM , Rating: 2
Who said they ran out of CDMA iPhones? If this release mirrors last year's iPhone release, they will have 1m at hand, half set aside for in store pickup and the other half reserved for preorders.

RE: They were meant to be sold out!
By bety on 2/4/2011 11:53:15 PM , Rating: 2
You can say that all you want, and certainly, Apple should anticipate huge demand (though their may well be manufacturing limitations to the initial supply available).

However, regardless of whether they relish selling-out(I'm sure they do), the fact remains, when you look at the numbers, they tend to be very impressive. Whether their could have been more phones or not, the numbers they move are astonishing, especially for a 1 model, 1 company, device.

It isn't an illusion in that sense, the sense that really matters. Even if they COULD have more, they sell a huge pile of phones.

RE: They were meant to be sold out!
By KoolAidMan1 on 2/5/2011 2:35:40 PM , Rating: 2
WTF dude, the reality distortion/denial field is unbelievable with the anti-Apple fanboys. Like them or not, that's why there are other choices out there, but to twist reality to suit prejudices is ridiculous and is the very definition of "fanboy".

Verizon sold greater numbers faster than they had with any other phone. Look at how many iPhones Apple sells every year. Demand outstrips a very very large supply.

But please, feel free to deny hard numbers and reality while you type angrily in your basement. Neckbeard tears are oh so tasty. >:)

By Targon on 2/7/2011 7:49:27 AM , Rating: 2
There are people who ran to AT&T for the iPhone without checking into the service quality where they live FIRST. Then, even after 30 days they kept their iPhone after seeing the service quality where they live wasn't great.

So, these are the people who are rushing to Verizon, and I suspect at least half of those didn't bother checking for the service quality of Verizon where they live. In another few months, Verizon may very well experience some of the problems that AT&T has been dealing with when it comes to network demand. So, AT&T service quality will probably go up while Verizon quality will go down.

Remember, AT&T did not have all of these service problems before the iPhone, so the Verizon launch of the iPhone will only be a GOOD thing for AT&T overall.

RE: They were meant to be sold out!
By tayb on 2/5/2011 4:16:10 PM , Rating: 2
Apple's sold out trick? I don't disagree with your sentiment but this is something that EVERY company does. It looks great to sell out. There are a whole bunch of people who think Nintendo was underproducing Wii's a couple of years ago to keep the "still sold out" stigma going for as long as possible. Every company with the newest "in" product does this. It makes you look good.

By michael2k on 2/5/2011 5:28:08 PM , Rating: 2
The difference is scale. Apple sells out millions, in comparison Android phones, if they sell out, its less than 300k.

By radicledog on 2/7/2011 9:22:50 AM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't really say they are sold out... Verizon and Apple set aside some limited quantity for pre-orders to existing customers, whatever that number may be they reached. There are still millions of these things in a warehouse somewhere ready to be sold on the 10'th.

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