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Kinect for Xbox 360 and Playstation Move  (Source: digitaltrends.com)
The company's original target was 5 million

In the first 60 days since its launch, Microsoft sold over 8 million Xbox Kinect's, which not only surpassed the company's own target, but also trumped the sales of Sony's competing system, Playstation Move, by about 4 million units.

Microsoft's Kinect is a controller-free, webcam-style gaming experience made for Xbox 360, where gamers have the ability to manipulate the actions of on-screen characters through a series of spoken commands and physical gestures. Sony's Playstation Move is a motion-sensing game controller platform made for Playstation 3. 

Sony's Playstation Move launched first on September 17, 2010 in North America, and the company sold 4.1 million units within the first 60 days. On the other hand, the Kinect launched on November 4, 2010 in North America and sold over 8 million units within the first 60 days. 

To buy the Playstation Move, the controller is $50 or $400 when purchased as a Playstation 3 bundle. Or, if you're more into the controller-free gaming experience, the Kinect is $150 by itself or $300 when bundled with the 4 gigabyte Xbox 360. 

While crushing the sales of a competing opponent is a great victory for the company, it isn't the only Microsoft-related news Steve Ballmer, Microsoft's Chief Executive Officer, had to share at the Consumer Electronics Show this week. In addition, Verizon Wireless and Sprint will carry phones based on Microsoft's "fledgling Windows 7 Phone operating software from this years first half." 


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RE: I'd like to know...
By Smilin on 1/7/2011 10:35:38 AM , Rating: 2
Your Shape: Fitness evolved rocks. Head to head table tennis over the 'net is a *blast*. You wouldn't know without playing.

Now give me my internets, hater.


RE: I'd like to know...
By lolmuly on 1/7/2011 7:04:47 PM , Rating: 2
1. what does fitness have to do with gaming? 2. table tennis is a mini game... /facepalm

Give me a good IDEA for a serious game that would work well, not make you feel like an idiot, and not tire you out in the first 10 minutes.


RE: I'd like to know...
By retrospooty on 1/9/2011 10:18:35 AM , Rating: 2
"Give me a good IDEA for a serious game that would work well"


Boxing, Golf, Tennis, skateboarding/surfing, water/snowski. ... Pretty much any sports game. Hunting/shooting games, Light saber battles, or any other hand to hand melee type games, Any number of dance games. There are also limitless possibilities for kids games.

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what does fitness have to do with gaming


It will sell kinects, therefore it is related. MY wife uses Zumba fitness and Your shape fitness evolved religiously now. This will usher is a whole new generation of fitness and training. ITs way better than watching workout DVD's for 3 reasons. 1) You get varying workouts instead of hte same DVD over and over. 2) Intelligent workouts that are watching you and guiding you "arms higher, left leg farther out". 3) Downloadable content - nuff said

Now also imagine the training that it can do... tapdancing or balet lessens for your daughter, or ballroom dancing for granma, or even riverdancing for "weird aunt got5catsandnoman"


RE: I'd like to know...
By Aloonatic on 1/10/2011 6:35:44 AM , Rating: 2
Kids games, sure, but Nintendo haven't really done much wit their Wii, really, beyond all the hype. I am also not sure that parents will be all that keen on having kinect games that require a camera in their kids' bedrooms, once there has been the odd sensationalised "news" special on the dangers of these things in childrens' bedrooms and all the perverts that could use them to spy on them, no matter how stupid and impossible it might technically be.

As for your last paragraph, that's just sad. Children should be learning ballet properly with a proper tutor, for their own safety, and to meet other kids. I'm not sure how granny is going to ballroom dance on her own too, unless the kinect can project a partner to lead her, but really ,she should eb out meeting other people too? Then your weird aunt really really really needs to get out and meet people when learning river-dance, rather than just being locked away in her home using a kinect. If this sort of device encourages further isolationism of people, and you think that that is a great thing then I am a more than a little saddened, to be honest.

I'm glad that your wife is keeping herself in shape for you tho :o)


RE: I'd like to know...
By Smilin on 1/10/2011 6:22:57 PM , Rating: 2
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As for your last paragraph, that's just sad. Children should be learning ballet properly with a proper tutor, for their own safety, and to meet other kids. I'm not sure how granny is going to ballroom dance on her own too, unless the kinect can project a partner to lead her, but really ,she should eb out meeting other people too? Then your weird aunt really really really needs to get out and meet people when learning river-dance, rather than just being locked away in her home using a kinect. If this sort of device encourages further isolationism of people, and you think that that is a great thing then I am a more than a little saddened, to be honest.


Your mental image of what is happening is wrong. Try this one:

6 kids in a room bouncing off the walls waiting for their turn in the playspace to go head to head with their buddy on the system next door. Kinect does a great deal to advance social behavior in gaming. Things are possible now (Video Kinect anyone?) that weren't with just the controller.


RE: I'd like to know...
By Aloonatic on 1/11/2011 7:39:23 AM , Rating: 2
Nice new example, that has nothing to do with anything that you said before. I don't have a problem with people using consoles and PCs for socialising on-line, but none of the examples that you used before hinted at that at all. Even if you could interact on them though, they will never replace genuine, face to face contact. Nor will a preprogrammed tutor on the kinect replace an actual human tutor either, IMHO. It will take a lot more than that, a lot more AI.

Kids can play with their friends on a console, they have been able to for years, I'm not really sure what you think is so special about the kinect in this regard. Might be a bit cheaper perhaps, but that's about it. I'd be interested to see how well a kinect copes with 6 kids trying to use it too.


RE: I'd like to know...
By Smilin on 1/11/2011 11:29:23 AM , Rating: 2
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Nice new example, that has nothing to do with anything that you said before.


Um. Ok. I'll just copy past what I said before over and over then? wtf? We're on to a new point now. Be flexible like the leaf, grasshoppa.

No, nothing will replace face to face contact. If that's your point then it was a waste of time to make it. Everyone knows that already.

That doesn't mean that improving upon NO contact is a bad thing though.

Room of players > Video Call > voice call > texting > gaming with no communication > gaming alone. Kinect makes a great experience all the way down that line of comparison.

Are you saying that because Fitness Evolved doesn't fully replace a Trainer that we should just stick to sitting on the couch? That sounds a bit jaded.

You've very very obviously never seen kids using a Kinect so you're making assumptions that are very wrong.


RE: I'd like to know...
By Smilin on 1/10/2011 6:33:19 PM , Rating: 2
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Children should be learning ballet properly with a proper tutor, for their own safety, and to meet other kids


They should be attending the debutante ball as well?? You can buy a Kinect for less than ONE dancing lesson.

Your Shape: Fitness Evolved is only a partial substitute for a personal trainer but it is actually very effective for what it is. I know. I have both a personal trainer AND Fitness Evolved. Mind you one was $50 and one is $210 for just 30 days.


RE: I'd like to know...
By Aloonatic on 1/11/2011 7:29:57 AM , Rating: 2
Enjoy the hospital bills when your kid pulls/tares something, or injures themselves in another way *thumbs up*

(If you have insurance, then who cares? I know, money is all that matters, not their well-being or not putting a child at risk of injury. Who cares about that?)

I'm not saying that the kinect can't do what you suggest, just that it's not quite as good an idea as you seem to think that it is, or that you will really get the results that you seem to think that you will either.

I wish your lonely, friendless, socially inept child well for the future tho :o)


RE: I'd like to know...
By Smilin on 1/11/2011 11:42:02 AM , Rating: 1
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I wish your lonely, friendless, socially inept child well for the future tho :o)

Wow. Personal insults against a child. Very classy man. If you're going to act like this maybe you shouldn't get involved in an argument where you know nothing about the subject matter. But since you started it (and again are cluess about the subject of this argument)...

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Enjoy the hospital bills when your kid pulls/tares something, or injures themselves in another way *thumbs up*

(If you have insurance, then who cares? I know, money is all that matters, not their well-being or not putting a child at risk of injury. Who cares about that?)


Trust me your hospital bills for your diabetic cholesterol laded fat fuck kid who gets no excercise will be worse. My kid isn't a Mcdonalds Baby and gets TONS of physical activity (their christmas present was another outdoor playset, not kinect.) Sunny days on bikes and slides, rainy days in the house with their friends...and still getting excercise. If that's a bad way to raise my kids then call child services on me asshole.


RE: I'd like to know...
By Smilin on 1/10/2011 6:18:50 PM , Rating: 2
You probably feel like an idiot for the same reason you tire in 10 minutes.

Stick to a controller, a couch and a greasy bag of chips. If you don't get it you don't get it.

Me? I'm coordinated and have some modest amount of physical endurance. It's nice to enjoy hardcore 3d shooters (PC=hardcore, not console) AND all that the console AND all that Kinect has to offer. Bummer your closed mind is going to make you miss out on losing that gut.


RE: I'd like to know...
By Aloonatic on 1/11/2011 7:40:26 AM , Rating: 2
We're all very proud of you :o)

I hope that that makes you feel better :oD


RE: I'd like to know...
By Smilin on 1/11/2011 11:43:15 AM , Rating: 2
Your approval was what I was after. I am complete now. Thanks.


RE: I'd like to know...
By Aloonatic on 1/8/2011 5:48:13 AM , Rating: 2
What is it with table tennis? Gaming has come so far since pong... :o)

To their credit, MS have made a version of table tennis that you can virtually play that is not only far more expensive than just using your dining room table and a cheap table tennis set from toyRus, but they've also managed to make a version that requires as much space. Brilliant! :oD

It'll be interesting to see how long you'll be playing these Kinect mini-games for, or doing your yoga and fitness evolved. Much longer than people did with the Wii?

For the record, I think that kinect is a great piece of hardware and has a lot of potential. I'm just not sure that it's all that usable for people who live in smaller homes, nor that developers have realised quite what to do with it.

I think that it really could come into it's own with 3D TV gaming by the way. Kudos to MS for definitely trying something new, rather than just blatantly copying Nintendo as Sony have done.

If I didn't live in a country where petrol is at £1.30 a litre and sales tax has just been put up to 20%, I might almost think about buying a 360 and kinect just to play with one.


RE: I'd like to know...
By Smilin on 1/11/2011 12:03:14 PM , Rating: 2
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What is it with table tennis? Gaming has come so far since pong... :o)

To their credit, MS have made a version of table tennis that you can virtually play that is not only far more expensive than just using your dining room table and a cheap table tennis set from toyRus, but they've also managed to make a version that requires as much space. Brilliant! :oD


I think you mean it takes up about 1/3 of the space when being used and 0 space at all when not. And no it's a TAD different from pong...

The nuanced controls in table tennis are what I dig. Take a rapid topspin rally and get ahead of the ball just enough to sneak in a backspin shot. Opponents next return is likely to go high for a slam setup and if you pushed your previous shots to his strongside that means the slam goes to his weak... yeah, not pong.

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It'll be interesting to see how long you'll be playing these Kinect mini-games for, or doing your yoga and fitness evolved. Much longer than people did with the Wii?

Because of beta access I've been playing table tennis since around august with no signs of losing interest. The computer players aren't much of a challenge anymore though..mostly XBL now. Some of the other minigames (much of track and field) lost my interest immediately.

Soccer is kinda so-so but my daughter loves playing co-op with me and I'll take any excuse to do an activity with her.

The fitness game gets sporadic use...usually when I've had to work too late to hit the gym...plus the punch/kick mini-game in it is fun standalone.

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For the record, I think that kinect is a great piece of hardware and has a lot of potential. I'm just not sure that it's all that usable for people who live in smaller homes, nor that developers have realised quite what to do with it.


Nope. Not well suited to a small house...but then neither is doing any kind of physical activity beyond an excercise bike. You would have the same problem with Sony Move or the Wii.

Developers are figuring it out quick but there is a learning curve. Menus are an example. Some games do them well like dance central, others are just UIs obviously designed for a mouse pointer. Fitness evolved is almost too good at menus. People stretch for controls not realizing it already calibrated their location to be at perfect arm length...and when they move the control moves away from them (following them around actually).


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