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Missile being launched from a submarine  (Source: Daily Mail)
Experts believe it could be years before the missiles are fully operational

There are potential future hot spots for military conflict all over the world, with China being high on the list. Since the days of WWII, the U.S. Navy has had the clear superiority in surface ship warfare in the waters in and around China, but the Chinese have a new missile system that could cause the U.S. to rethink its plans for any future conflicts in the area.

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 reports that China has a new missile known as the DF-21 that has reached its "initial operational capability" (IOC). The IOC milestone for the Chinese weapon system means that the design has been settled on but the system will continue to be refined according to military experts.

Admiral Robert F. Willard, commander of the U.S. Pacific Command told the Asahi Shimbun newspaper, "An analogy using a Western term would be 'initial operational capability (IOC),' whereby I think China would perceive that it has an operational capability now, but they continue to develop it. I would gauge it as about the equivalent of a U.S. system that has achieved IOC."

The missile can be launched from land and is capable of striking surface vessels that are moving, with enough force to destroy a U.S. supercarrier with one hit. 

A U.S. Naval Institute report from last year said of the missile system, "The size of the missile enables it to carry a warhead big enough to inflict significant damage on a large vessel."

The missile is launched from land, soars into the atmosphere, and then uses a complex guidance system combined with maneuverability and a low radar signature to evade defensive weapons and hit moving targets. So far, the U.S. has not detected over-the-surface tests of the missile on moving targets.

Despite the continued growth of the Chinese military and the new weapons system, 
DailyMail reports that the Chinese military still maintains that it is no threat to countries in its region. The missile would be guided by an interwoven system of UAVs, submarines, and satellites to its target.

Chinese military spokesperson Jiang Wu said, "I can say that China pursues a defensive national policy. ... We pose no threat to other countries. We will always be a force in safeguarding regional peace and stability."



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RE: China: We no threat to nobody!
By FITCamaro on 12/29/2010 1:19:34 PM , Rating: 2
We also defend over half the world with said military. But hey we're just a bunch of gun totin rednecks who love to blow sh*t up in others backyards right?

China isn't acting as a threat right now because they have everything they want. The military power to ensure no one will retaliate in response to the crimes they do commit via plausible deniability(aka. cyber espionage) coupled with an artificially lowered currency value to keep a good portion of the worlds production inside their borders. No one dares cross them lest they not do business with them.


RE: China: We no threat to nobody!
By topkill on 12/29/2010 1:33:08 PM , Rating: 5
But why are we defending half the world? Screw them. I'm tired of spending our kids lives to do it.

I don't give a rat's ass if Yemen or the Congo is a democracy. They seem to be happy crawling around worshipping whatever it is they want to worship and letting a bunch of jumped up shiekhs or dictators steal all their money. So let them.

If they get tired of it, they can throw off the tyrants like we did. I'm not doing it for them.


RE: China: We no threat to nobody!
By AssBall on 12/29/2010 1:40:42 PM , Rating: 5
Many people don't share your opinion after said dictators, sheiks, and tyrants decide to fund, endorse, and drive planes into our buildings.


RE: China: We no threat to nobody!
By Spuke on 12/29/2010 2:23:35 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Many people don't share your opinion after said dictators, sheiks, and tyrants decide to fund, endorse, and drive planes into our buildings.
I do believe that totally minding our own business STILL doesn't keep a$$hats out of our business (see WWII) BUT the level of involvement we have now is over the top. Diplomacy should be our only face with huge consequences if crossed. That whole "speak softly but carry a big stick" mentality. And I disagree with people not sharing that opinion. MANY Americans, and not just liberals, feel it is NOT our business to be the "world's police".

Seriously, the middle east is not our problem!!! And, quite frankly, we would not have gotten any sh!t over chasing terrorists if we weren't the world's police. Not that I care about getting sh!t necessarily, sometimes things need to get done regardless of popularity.

Spuke's Plan
1. Send special forces out to secretly find where these terrorists reside.
2. Work with whatever country to get permission to kill them.
3. With permission given, send whatever forces to take them out.
4. If country decides not to cooperate, make a big stink over it, provide evidence, etc.
5. If stink is made and country doesn't budge AND you have the world's support behind you (because of the stench), accuse the country of supporting the terrorists.
6. Most countries won't like the accusations and we might be able to get some UN resolutions out of it too. Maybe a couple of carrier battle groups near said country might move things along here.
7. If country caves in, work out a deal, if not, declare war on said country. Wipe all traces of terrorists and other wannabees. No rebuilding, no "I'm sorry" money either. Get the job done.
7. Rinse and repeat.

This would take MANY years because of the required diplomacy to get everyone on board. See Bush senior on how that's done. We had no business in Kuwait either but everyone gave us their support AND the Kuwaiti's asked for help!! Eventually, we would get this into a more manageable state and maybe even save some other countries from their continued dealings with terrorists.


RE: China: We no threat to nobody!
By AssBall on 12/29/2010 2:37:28 PM , Rating: 3
I like your plan, but there is a missing part I wonder about.

Every Diplomatic/Military action is essentially a business decision (unless you believe in altruism). In that respect the U.S.A. has a mixed track record, but we also have the BEST track record in modern history.

If we keep wasting money on some of these actions with no return (Afghanistan), what is the point?

It's not that I disagree with the Military being in places like Afghanistan to cull terrorists, its that their mission and purpose are impossible economically and politically, as prescribed by our current Commander and Chief.

So if we are going to refuse to be effective or economical, I support the Spuke plan.


RE: China: We no threat to nobody!
By Spuke on 12/29/2010 3:06:36 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
If we keep wasting money on some of these actions with no return (Afghanistan), what is the point?
Afghanistan is a waste simply because we begged to go there and then made deals on how we'll conduct "warfare". All this served was to kill a bunch of people with no benefit to anyone. Do you think the Afghani's would care if we removed their terrorists and other instruments of discontent? If the US got invaded and all the white supremacists groups got wiped out, I wouldn't shed a tear.

If we had put Afghanistan on the spot, we could dictate instead of beg. Further actions might end up being easier because EVERYONE would know how we conduct business.

Which leads to my fundamental issue with politics is that it's based on fooling people into getting your way instead of negotiating to attain a mutual benefit. These people need to take a basic sales class.


RE: China: We no threat to nobody!
By maven81 on 12/29/2010 4:29:11 PM , Rating: 3
"If we had put Afghanistan on the spot, we could dictate instead of beg. Further actions might end up being easier because EVERYONE would know how we conduct business."

And how exactly do you put them on the spot? You must have slept through the soviet experience because they have shown that even if you control every major city you still have no control over the country as a whole. Worse yet no one seems to be paying attention to the nature of the people we are dealing with. These are tribal people. They don't give a crap about a central government. Their allegiance is to the elders of their small village. Why do we insist on propping up a government that no one there actually wants?


RE: China: We no threat to nobody!
By Spuke on 12/29/10, Rating: -1
RE: China: We no threat to nobody!
By Skywalker123 on 12/30/2010 6:43:36 AM , Rating: 2
WWI showed us that we SHOULDN'T get involved.


RE: China: We no threat to nobody!
By AssBall on 12/30/2010 9:59:35 AM , Rating: 2
We were doing "business" with England when Germany sunk our cruise ship. Of course we'd get involved.


RE: China: We no threat to nobody!
By Iketh on 12/29/2010 6:23:05 PM , Rating: 1
Are those white supremacists controlling how you live? Of course, they would if they could, but that's another discussion. Don't compare apples to oranges.

Being over there is giving us plenty of experience in real-world (though not conventional) warfare. We have new technologies being put through the grinder and tactics being developed and honed.


RE: China: We no threat to nobody!
By Spuke on 12/29/2010 6:53:54 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Being over there is giving us plenty of experience in real-world (though not conventional) warfare.
I don't care what white supremacists are doing. I mentioned that if we were invaded and they got wiped out, I wouldn't care nor would Afghani's care if their PITA's were removed from their presence. Not apples to oranges at all.

quote:
Being over there is giving us plenty of experience in real-world (though not conventional) warfare.
There is something to be said for real world knowledge of warfare. Quite frankly, I think we would STILL be involved militarily in the world without being in the BS world's police role. We would simply be asked to do things. Think about it. You have this huge, high tech military in a friendly country that minds it's own business for the most part. Someone's going to have a problem they can't handle (Kuwait was one) and would like some help. I have no issues with helping other countries that ask.


RE: China: We no threat to nobody!
By maven81 on 12/29/2010 2:32:35 PM , Rating: 4
Um if we don't interfere with them what incentive do they have to do that? Do you think they just wake up one day and think hmm, I think we should blow up some buildings in the states!?
You don't get it. The neocons and the extremists need eachother. They need someone to point fingers at and scream "see! if we don't get them first they'll get us!" Places like Algeria has demonstrated that if you leave them be they simply turn on eachother and start killing eachother off on their own. (because then one group tries to prove to another that they are the ONLY true believers). This world police crap has to stop.


RE: China: We no threat to nobody!
By AssBall on 12/29/2010 2:45:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Do you think they just wake up one day and think hmm, I think we should blow up some buildings in the states!?


They wake up every morning and blow up stuff in their own country. Never mind the terrorists the FBI foils everyday in the US. Do you even read the news?

I don't care that they kill themselves specifically, but we sure miss out on a lot of business and research collaborative opportunities when they are stuck in their 1000 year old pissing match that dribbles into adjacent countries while everyone else has freedom to develop and prosper.


RE: China: We no threat to nobody!
By maven81 on 12/29/2010 3:03:38 PM , Rating: 2
"They wake up every morning and blow up stuff in their own country."

And our direct neighbors to the south, Mexico, are engaged in a very bloody drug war that occasionally spills over our border. (Which you can't say for say Afghanistan). So should we send troops to Mexico? They are a pretty significant trading partner after all.

"Never mind the terrorists the FBI foils everyday in the US. Do you even read the news?"

They are simply not that big of a threat. Even if say terrorits like the times square wannabe bomber succeeded in killing 10 people, we've probably had more deaths then that just as the result of the current snow storm! 3,000 people perished on 9/11 and we freaked out, yet tens of thousands die in car accidents every year! This is blown WAY out of proportion.


RE: China: We no threat to nobody!
By Spuke on 12/29/10, Rating: 0
RE: China: We no threat to nobody!
By maven81 on 12/29/2010 4:14:53 PM , Rating: 4
And you would be wrong. I lived in New York until 6 months ago and happened to be in the city on that day, and saw it with my own eyes. While in the beginning there was a lot of anger and frustration, after some time passed none of the people I've spoken with that lost relatives there were out for blood, because they knew that it would not bring anyone back. Remember, no one is denying that this is a tragedy. But ask any New Yorker if they wake up thinking they might get blown up today, and I bet most people will tell you they are much more worried about other things. In fact many of us are quite puzzled that most people that seemed to take this personally didn't even live in New York.


RE: China: We no threat to nobody!
By Spuke on 12/29/2010 7:07:13 PM , Rating: 1
I think either I misunderstood you or you misunderstood me. I'll try it a different way. I'm not talking about people out for blood or people worried about getting blown up. The US fucked our response to 911 up. The people responsible SHOULD be found and brought to trial or even killed in the battlefield. If anything, they committed murder. That is a crime in the US punishable by at least some jail time. We had world support in finding these people and fucked it away by going to war with a country that had nothing or little to do with it. You should've seen my face when Congress declared war with Iraq. Unlike most of you clowns, I NEVER believe we should've been there but then I had some perspective being just out of the military.

quote:
In fact many of us are quite puzzled that most people that seemed to take this personally didn't even live in New York.
LOL! Because an attack on New York is just an attack on them, not the rest of the country. Sorry but the terrorists didn't pick the WTC, the Sears tower or the Pentagon because they hated New Yorkers, these are/were symbols of America. Of course, everyone takes it personal. We should all take an attack on ourselves personal. Are you even from this country? How could you not remember the other attacks?


By Skywalker123 on 12/30/2010 6:49:57 AM , Rating: 3
Congres didn't declare war on Iraq


RE: China: We no threat to nobody!
By Skywalker123 on 12/30/2010 6:47:38 AM , Rating: 2
The FBI doesn't "foil" terrorists everyday.


RE: China: We no threat to nobody!
By AssBall on 12/30/2010 10:02:48 AM , Rating: 2
You'd be surprised.


RE: China: We no threat to nobody!
By Spuke on 12/29/2010 3:16:57 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Um if we don't interfere with them what incentive do they have to do that?
Research WWII. Specifically, the US's position before we entered.


RE: China: We no threat to nobody!
By Skywalker123 on 12/29/2010 11:03:00 PM , Rating: 2
What dictator drove planes into our buildings?


RE: China: We no threat to nobody!
By AssBall on 12/30/2010 10:07:48 AM , Rating: 2
Does hypothetical or explanation by example ring a bell in your nit-picking vocabulary?


RE: China: We no threat to nobody!
By tamalero on 12/29/10, Rating: 0
RE: China: We no threat to nobody!
By Penti on 12/29/2010 2:27:28 PM , Rating: 2
US imbalances are not caused by the value of the RMB.

China still does less meddling then big european nations.

But just look at your own over valuation instead, and thats the reason why it's not affordable for your own automakers and manufacturers to produce and invest in the US and has moved everything to Mexico and Canada. You simply automatically get 20-30% more money/value by doing so. That's not true when say European companies invest in China, it's mainly other factors that are driving that, domestic chinease markets, lack of investments in facilities in other places, it's usually the same equipment that ends up in plants there as everywhere else, but those just looking for cheap labour are looking elsewhere. But many European companies have gone into and are going into or expanding in China because of the markets there i.e they do make money and production in other places of the world normally doesn't disappear. Sure companies are downsizing here too but other business grows. I'm sure China will have a floating currency ones you devalue or something to correct all your imbalances. In trade and budget.


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