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Lexus CT 200h
Lexus announces pricing, EPA numbers for its newest hybrid

Vehicles like the recently introduced Chevrolet Volt and Nissan Leaf may be grabbing the bulk of the headlines when it comes to electric/hybrid vehicles, but Lexus is looking to make a few headlines of its own with its CT 200h hybrid hatchback.

Lexus today announced that the vehicle will be priced from $29,995 including destination fee. Officials at Lexus seem quite ecstatic about the CT 200h, which they hope will improve upon the lackluster sales of the HS 250h hybrid sedan introduced earlier this year.

“For just $1,000 more than the cost of a non-luxury hybrid, buyers can indulge in a CT 200h with our proven Lexus Hybrid Drive technology,” said Mark Templin, group vice president and general manager, Lexus Division. “Lexus hybrids currently make up 90 percent of all luxury hybrid sales in the U.S., so you can imagine how excited we are to continue our leadership in this market with the CT 200h.”

Standard features of the CT 200h will include:

  • Bluetooth phone/streaming media support
  • Dual zone automatic climate control
  • Six speaker audio system
  • SmartAccess key with push button start/stop
  • Satellite radio
  • 17" aluminum wheels

In addition to announcing pricing for the CT 200h, Lexus also revealed official EPA numbers for the car. The CT 200h will achieve 43 mpg in the city and 40 mpg on the highway (42 combined). Those figures compare to 50 mpg combined for the Toyota Prius which shares the same powertrain (1.8-liter gasoline engine plus Toyota's Synergy Hybrid Drive).

The Toyota Prius starts at $22,800.



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RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By cbass377 on 12/15/2010 2:59:10 PM , Rating: 5
Just 6 More MPGs to go and it will be even with my 2005 VW Jetta turbodiesel. I paid 26K for it.


RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By Lord 666 on 12/15/2010 3:12:26 PM , Rating: 5
Not sure why anyone rated you down. My 2006 TDI make this car look silly.


RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By SSDMaster on 12/15/10, Rating: 0
RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By GulWestfale on 12/15/2010 3:48:43 PM , Rating: 3
$30k for a matrix with a fancy badge and shitty gas mileage?
the only people who will buy this are the same kind of people who buy apple because they truly believe in the marketing and think that others will be impressed by the brand.


RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By SSDMaster on 12/15/2010 3:51:56 PM , Rating: 5
"The only people"

Your basically saying this car will sell quite well. Just going by how well Apple is doing these days with the focus towards packaging and "perceived" quality.


RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By Jeffk464 on 12/15/2010 4:17:05 PM , Rating: 2
If they based this thing on the Matrix somebody at Toyota needs to get their ass kicked.


RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By Jeffk464 on 12/15/2010 4:20:37 PM , Rating: 2
OMG! it is based on the Matrix, a $30,000 plus toyota carolla, what a joke.


RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 12/15/2010 4:59:03 PM , Rating: 5
Where are you getting the Matrix from? The Matrix is built on the Corolla platform.

The CT 200h is based partially on the Prius platform (engine, hybrid components, front suspension) and partially on the Toyota Avensis/Scion tC (rear suspension).

As for the "s**ty gas mileage", what other vehicles this size in the U.S. can claim 42 mpg combined?


RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By GulWestfale on 12/15/2010 5:10:07 PM , Rating: 2
why matrix/corolla?
because it has the exact same wheelbase, and the exact same suspension (macpherson struts in front, double wishbones in back)

the avensis, by the way, is related closely to the scion tC and slots in between the corolla and camry in the european market.


RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By chrnochime on 12/15/2010 5:54:29 PM , Rating: 2
It's based more on the avensis than the corolla, but apparently that fact is lost on you.

And WTH is "acceleration is confident"? That just means it accelerates like a snail just like the 2.0L N/A VW gas engine. The mpg might be better than the CT but the acceleration is still slow at 8.9. Yes it's better than the CT200h's 9.8 but that's not saying much.

But congrats on owning a TDI. Really, that's like the only car in VW that owners aren't complaining about the crapload of engine related problems. You only have to deal with the electrical problems LOL


RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By GulWestfale on 12/15/2010 7:43:44 PM , Rating: 2
how is this a fact? because toyota marketing says so? the wheelbase is 4 inches shorter than the avensis', and matches the corolla's. it also uses the same suspension setup as the corolla.
and even if it were an avensis in drag instead of a corolla wagon aka matrix in drag, it'd still be very overpriced as the avensis is quite a lot smaller than a camry.


RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By liquidaim on 12/15/2010 9:14:46 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with "GulWestfale". this puppy indeed looks like it could be based on the matrix chassis. Too bad it doesn't have the 1.8L 2ZZFE (or Duzzie) engine of the original matrix xrs / celica GTS. This thing has sooo much potential with that engine, a specially tuned version of this engine is also used in the Lotus Elise.

compare matrix dimensions:
http://www.toyota.com/matrix/specs.html

with ct200h:
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car/10q1/2011_lex...

I've been researching wagons lately to see how things will pan out for that segment when I'm ready to buy another in 2017/2018.

I have a 2003 matrix xrs and love it, especially the fold flat front passenger seat.

For my next car I would like to get a similar hot hatchback with similar or larger dimensions.

I hope this becomes a success and BMW finally brings the 1 series 5door stateside. a reardrive 5 door hatch...mmmm yummy.


RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By Samus on 12/15/2010 8:15:47 PM , Rating: 1
I'd take this over the Prius if I were in the market for a hybrid. Sure the Prius starts at 22k but kitted out its 29k (leather seats, etc.) I'd spend the extra grand just for the styling of the CT200h.

But I don't buy japcrap. Better off with a Volt for $3,500 more after tax credits.


RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By zixin on 12/16/2010 12:35:24 PM , Rating: 2
This car will come with a tax credit which will bring the difference to north of $7000. As to Japcrap, who is know as having better quality? Was it Toyota, or Chevy? Can't quite remember.


RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By fteoath64 on 12/17/2010 2:12:05 AM , Rating: 2
Toyota quality is really great for the Jap class of cars, way better than Honda in terms of durability and lower cost for the parts. The Colt is not know or unproven while the Lexus marque are already premium, hence gets better service from the dealers.
This Lexus is the one to go for.


RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By Desslok on 12/16/2010 2:01:54 PM , Rating: 1
Please remind me what car comapny should have gone bankrupt? Oh yea! It was GM, and why did this happen? Craptastic build quality, building cars no one wanted(ie The Chevy Trailblazer, GMC Envoy XUV, and the oh so awesome Chevy SSR). Go ahead and buy your Volt for $3,500 more, because you just don't buy "japcrap".


RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By FITCamaro on 12/16/2010 2:57:53 PM , Rating: 3
Actually they went out of business because of high labor and health care costs. Said costs were reflected in the quality of their cars because they couldn't afford higher quality and still keep the price down.

And no one wanted trucks? Do you even live in the US? And the SSR? They haven't built that in what? 5 years? It actually was a good concept. Only spoiled by its insanely high weight which kind of ruined its sport truck like image.


RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By Desslok on 12/16/2010 3:26:52 PM , Rating: 2
The Trailblazer and the Envoy were NOT trucks. The Trailblazer was the SUV that time forgot, very little in the ways of refresh and that inline 6 was the biggest piece of crap engine. It was supposed to have the power of the 8 with the MPG of the 6 and it had neither.

The point on the SSR is that GM did not learn the lesson of the Prowler. No one wants an overweight underpowered sport truck.


RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By Samus on 12/16/2010 4:07:14 PM , Rating: 3
I love it how people are brainwashed into thinking the Japanese and German auto companies build vastly superior cars...I don't even know where to begin.

Go drive an old Ford Focus ZX3, a Volkswagen Golf MK4, a Honda Civic Type R, a Toyota Prius, and tell me which one you had the most fun in. It won't be the Japanese cars. The Japanese make soul-less, boring, and unbelievably ugly vehicles. People are so focused on what the media and people tell them that they're forgetting the most important aspect of a car: having fun driving it.

I don't neccessarily like Nissan, but the GT-R is a great car. I do like Mazda, and the RX8 is a great car. See the trend here? Unfortunately, there are currently, amond ALL Japanese auto manufactures, FOUR sports cars in production. Those mentioned, plus the MX5 and technically the G37. No, the LF-A isn't a sports car. And no, the Impreza and Lancer are not sports cars. Why? Because they're not fun. In the case of Subaru and Mitsubishi, they're also incredibly unreliable.

The reason the Japanese are doing so good and America is doing so poorly (fiscally) is because of the trade exchange rates, higher labor rates, higher taxes, and idiots who think the imports are 'better.'


RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By FITCamaro on 12/17/2010 9:15:30 AM , Rating: 2
Uh yes the I6 in the trailblzer did. It was 275hp and 275 lb ft. At the time it came out the Ford Explorer had a 215 hp V8.

And the Prowler was a 200hp V6 "hotrod". Yes it was underpowered for what was supposed to be a hotrod. The SSR was a 350-400 5.7-6.0L V8 sport truck. Hardly underpowered. It's problem was weight, not power.


RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By FITCamaro on 12/17/2010 9:17:26 AM , Rating: 3
And as an inline engine its torque was available pretty much off idle. As far as gas mileage, its in a heavy SUV. What do you expect. It got a little better gas mileage than a comparable V8.

It's still classified as a truck though.


RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By mellomonk on 12/15/2010 3:50:27 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
How is that? With equally abysmal acceleration, ugly VW exterior and lackluster interior?


Besides being poor, you obviously have never sat in, or driven the Jetta tdi. No, it doesn't have a silly led-laden boy racer Jap interior. It is all about proper teutonic simplicity and soft touch materials. The tdi is a honey of a 2.0L turbo diesel. Acceleration is confident with over 230lb/ft of fat torque at less the 2K on the tach.


RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By SSDMaster on 12/15/2010 3:55:05 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Acceleration is confident with over 230lb/ft of fat torque at less the 2K on the tach.


Torque isn't a measurement of speed. You can accelerate up a hill with 100 more torque than my boy racer Mitsubishi but I'll still beat you to the top.

Though I'm sure you'll be neck and neck with my mom's prius.


RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By mellomonk on 12/15/10, Rating: -1
RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By SSDMaster on 12/16/2010 9:52:44 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
but it acceleration is more the competitive with the average American grocery getter


Well I'm actually a Rocket scientist with a PH. D in making stuff up. And let's get one thing straight. Given the above quoted statement you obviously don't live in America. Most "Grocery Getter's" are 200+ hp SUV's here in America and they'd smoke a TDI. Not that it'd be much fun to have to watch that drag race but there's really no comparison..

"Confident Acceleration" doesn't win any races, and "your S4" won't be able to beat "my Lamborghini Gallardo". Since, let's face it. I don't own a super car and you don't own an Audi.

quote:
Acceleration of a given vehicle is a direct correlation of the amount of torque it can apply to the drive train


Let's assume you really do have a degree in engineering. Then you'd have no problem explaining to me why the TDI with it's 200+ Torque can only accelerate to 60MPH in what... 8-9 seconds? Unless you want to argue that given another 100 Torque the Jetta would be even faster...


RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By FITCamaro on 12/16/2010 2:54:25 PM , Rating: 2
If you give a damn about speed you don't drive a Jetta TDI either. You drive a Jetta TDI because you want a comfortable car with great mileage.

And that diesel will take a shit load of boost, get faster, and still get great gas mileage if you keep it out of boost. Something even an Evo can't do. I dare you to poke fun at the many diesel trucks picking up 100-150 hp and 300-400 lb ft of torque with a simple plugin tuner.


RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By Spuke on 12/17/2010 5:01:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If you give a damn about speed you don't drive a Jetta TDI either.
SSDMaster wasn't the one with the VW TDI.


RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By Jeffk464 on 12/15/2010 4:11:16 PM , Rating: 2
This years Jetta looks pretty damn awesome to and now there is enough history on that power train to know if its reliable or not. I don't trust VW one bit.


RE: Who's going to buy this car?
By Solandri on 12/15/2010 4:48:52 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Just 6 More MPGs to go and it will be even with my 2005 VW Jetta turbodiesel.

Diesel has about 11% more energy per unit volume than gasoline. So in terms of energy efficiency, this is already about even with your Jetta TDI.


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