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"Full of win!"
Update remedies early shortcomings, including copy/cut/paste and multitasking deficiencies

Windows Phone 7 is finally here.  The good is that there's lots of hardware varieties to choose from, much like Android.  Also in the good news category is the slick and easy to used polished user interface that comes standard with WP7.  The bad news is that many features are notably missing -- hot swappable SD memory, copy/cut/paste, and true third-party multitasking.

But there's hope yet for those who have purchased Windows Phone 7 handsets, or are thinking about it.  Microsoft is rumored to be planning a massive update to the young operating system according to wpcentral.

The news was leaked by overexcited Windows Phone 7 developer Chris Walsh, who couldn't keep quiet about the update's inclusion of copy/cut/paste, free voice-guided Bing navigation, custom ringtone support, a third-party multitasking solution, and more.

The update is rumored to land as early as January, in time to go head to head with Google's Android 2.3 "Gingerbread" and Apple's iOS 4.3.

If indeed all those rumored features make it to the finished product, Microsoft would unleash a wicked competitor on the market.  As one Twitter poster put it, "MS took 3 months to do what Apple did in 3 years."

Another poster comments, "Let's just say, they could have called it Windows Phone 8."

Let's just say Google and Apple are doubtless watching closely how this one plays out.

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RE: huh
By omnicronx on 11/29/2010 6:56:15 PM , Rating: 5
Your logic is very illogical ;)

Merely pointing out that the other OS's have these features already is irrelevant as Windows Phone 7 is a completely new platform.

Its the delta between when other platforms were released to when they implemented said features that matters..

That being said... Microsoft probably wanted to get the phone out for the Christmas season, and to do so, they had to cut a few features for a few months. Simply put, these additions were probably in development and perhaps completed beforehand. There is almost no way they finished these features (if they are really coming) in such a short period of time.

In the end it sounds like MS is playing the catchup game quite well.. Hopefully now they can focus on better 3rd party api support and perhaps some love for corp users.

RE: huh
By fic2 on 11/29/10, Rating: 0
RE: huh
By inighthawki on 11/29/2010 7:32:15 PM , Rating: 2
Copy and paste may be implemented deep inside the OS but that does not mean they had time to work it into the new completely overhauled user interface without it seeming quirky.

RE: huh
By omnicronx on 11/29/2010 7:47:18 PM , Rating: 3
I'm sure MS finds it logical.

'Get the damn phone out before we dig ourselves a hole we cannot get out of' seems like pretty good logic to me =D

RE: huh
By StevoLincolnite on 11/29/10, Rating: 0
RE: huh
By damianrobertjones on 11/30/2010 4:38:00 AM , Rating: 3
Does this extend to Apple and their first release of the iPhone? Or Google's Android when it first hit and many features simply didn't work.

MS promised the update at a later date and.... those updates are nearly here.

RE: huh
By Flunk on 11/30/2010 10:20:42 AM , Rating: 2
No, because there are no previous versions of Windows Phone. Windows Mobile had an entirely different user-space, they rewrote almost everything. Even the kernel is substantially different.

RE: huh
By Shadowself on 11/29/10, Rating: -1
RE: huh
By Da W on 11/30/2010 6:58:01 AM , Rating: 2
I hâte those know it all boys that bitch a product without habing actually using it.
In a month of usage i round myself in need of copy and paste only once.
It DOES multitasking with the back and Windows button.
Messaging and email is instantanous as a blackberry.
Media playback is supperior to anything on the marker today.
All the most used apps are available.
Facebook intégration, nobody else does or like them.
Uploads pictures in the clouds.
It does everything i need from a phone.

Sent from my WP7.

RE: huh
By fic2 on 11/30/2010 11:26:41 AM , Rating: 1
Apparently typing on WM7 sucks...

RE: huh
By jconan on 12/1/2010 1:00:50 AM , Rating: 2
Why type when you can dictate to it what to type... Hopefully coming soon from Microsoft courtesy of Bing or Azure cloud.

RE: huh
By Smilin on 11/30/2010 10:15:54 AM , Rating: 2
Your analogy sucks. Try one with a car.

RE: huh
By Flunk on 11/30/2010 10:33:11 AM , Rating: 2
So, you're saying his analogy isn't stupid enough. He needs to make one that's less apt?

RE: huh
By Smilin on 11/30/2010 2:12:23 PM , Rating: 1
Sorry my bad...



RE: huh
By Aloonatic on 11/29/2010 9:00:23 PM , Rating: 2
His logic is no more illogical than comparing what MS have achieved in 3 months with win mobile 7, to what Apple and Google have in however long with their mobile OSes.

Or do we simply have to forget all the other windows mobile versions? If anything, haven't MS been at this moile/smartphone OS thing longer than Google and Apple, and are yet somehow still behind?

Not sure that they have reeeeallly only been at it for 3 months or so :o)

RE: huh
By adiposity on 11/30/2010 11:13:27 AM , Rating: 2
Its the delta between when other platforms were released to when they implemented said features that matters..

Not really. Comparing one version of a product to another version of the same product is not how competition works. What matters is how Microsoft's phones stack up in the market. If they release a feature that all other phones already have, it's not an advantage.

Like I said, I applaud them for quickly implementing these things, but it does not really make them a "wicked competitor" to be catching up to other OSes.

Having a quick dev cycle at this point is a necessity precisely because they are playing catch-up. It is not some sort of advantage that their "delta" to implement something is shorter than Apple or Google, when Apple and Google already had that before WinPhone7 was released.

As others already pointed out, it's not like Microsoft is new to the phone space. They've been in the space the longest. I understand that this is a "brand new platform" (not really, but it's different enough to forgive their early lack of features). However, at this point they are the weakest competitor, because they are behind on everything. Every basic feature they miss just slows adoption, so of course they have to fix them ASAP--but that's not a "leg up" on anybody, just yet.

RE: huh
By omnicronx on 11/30/2010 11:55:25 AM , Rating: 3
Its a new platform what do you expect. Seriously everyone seems to think writing a mobile OS is an EASY thing to do.

They had to start somewhere and now they plan on releasing many of the missing features within months of its release.

Other manufacturers wished they could have had their mobile platform progress so quickly.

If it really matters that much to you, stay away from the platform. But I think it was a smart move on MS's part, people will buy the phones during Christmas with an expectation that their phones will get a big update a month or so later.

They needed to get the phone out, users had waited long enough and they were lucky Windows Mobile even lasted as long as it did. Obviously in a perfect world it would have been nice for them to release an OS that was completely up to date with other current offerings, but it just was not feasible in my opinion..

RE: huh
By Aloonatic on 11/30/2010 1:53:39 PM , Rating: 1
Other manufacturers wished they could have had their mobile platform progress so quickly.
lol, MS fanboys. If Apple lovers are sheep, what are you guys?

MS have been trying to make a mobile OS that works well on smart-phones for years and years and years*. Credit where it's due, windows CE devices have been around for ages and are probably undervalued by many people with all the dull, but important jobs that CD devices do, but seriously, MS have been trying to make a mobile/smartphone OS for a lot longer than Apple and Goolge have.

Yet somehow you say that MS are progressing faster than Apple and Google, even though this amazing update which will only then bring copy/paste (which Apple "sheep" were being openly mocked for buying devices without it for all those years) is only just helping them catch up?

Its sad how so many people on here can be so blinded. At least if it's a comment supporting MS you'll get rated up quickly, rather than rated down quckly as an identical, Apple supporting comment would do.

*To be fair, MS were probably fighting a losing battle for many a year as the hardware that was available (processing, storage and touch-screens) were probably a big problem, especially for cheap, mass produced consumer products*

RE: huh
By adiposity on 11/30/2010 2:24:05 PM , Rating: 2
If it really matters that much to you, stay away from the platform. But I think it was a smart move on MS's part, people will buy the phones during Christmas with an expectation that their phones will get a big update a month or so later.

That's not the point, really. My personal decision about which platform to use has nothing to do with it. In the past I've owned mostly WinMo phones, but I switched to Android after getting sick of the lag on my HTC Touch Pro (which had excellent hardware but still couldn't hack it).

It just sounds like you are defending Microsoft here, which is totally unnecessary. I'm not attacking them, just pointing out the difficulties they face in the current market. It's a bit of a joke to say, "they are a fierce competitor now!" when all they've done is catch up to existing offerings.

They are moving quickly, and that's great. But realistically, being behind in marketshare, development, 3rd party apps, and carrier support are big problems.

The question simply isn't "how fast does Microsoft do things once they get started on them?" but rather, "will Microsoft succeed in the current marketplace?"

"Paying an extra $500 for a computer in this environment -- same piece of hardware -- paying $500 more to get a logo on it? I think that's a more challenging proposition for the average person than it used to be." -- Steve Ballmer
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