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RE: I'm certain many will die...
By Skywalker123 on 12/1/2010 3:15:51 PM , Rating: 2
No, the U.S. isn't great, just an ordinary Satan. :) Topple the government? You mean topple Obama? then i'm all for him! Hillary is going after someone for revenge in a dirty and illegal way? I ABSOLUTELY REFUSE TO BELIEVE IT, YOU LIAR!


RE: I'm certain many will die...
By ekv on 12/2/2010 1:55:59 AM , Rating: 2
For starters
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Satan
I suppose the rest of your statement was sarcasm.

Mark my words, I am no fan of Hillary. I'm simply stating the obvious move ... getting Interpol on the case was logical.

I reiterate, it is political now. Assange has no reform in mind. And if even a fraction of what Lisa Myers (NBC) reported about him is true, he's an incomparably arrogant low-life scum. His leaks have also directly brought about murder of innocent lives. Perhaps Assange ought to be exposed, no? Hung by his own veritable petards.

Btw, simply toppling Obama does no good. He has proven to be aloof, cold, distant and even ineffectual (when he can't blame Bush; which, surprise surprise, is increasingly the case). So, no, if Obama is toppled then it will be seen as due simply to his mere humanity. No real change will result. No reform ... and hence more "all the world is a stage and we are merely players" type of attitude.


RE: I'm certain many will die...
By Skywalker123 on 12/2/2010 9:59:38 PM , Rating: 1
You misunderstand, I know that many Iranians call the U.S. the Great Satan, but I can't understand why, all we did was overthrow their goverment,install an American puppet, sic Saddam on them, resulting in hundreds of thousand of Iranian deaths and shooting down flight 655 killing 290 civilians. Crazy Iranians sure hold a grudge over nothing don't they? You say Assange's leaks have caused innocent lives to be lost? LOL they are only a tiny percentage of what American policy has caused.


RE: I'm certain many will die...
By ekv on 12/3/2010 12:52:57 AM , Rating: 3
Let's start here.
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LOL they are only a tiny percentage of what American policy has caused.
Suppose somebody takes issue w/ your post. They contact a 3rd party and both mutually agree w/o coericion on a contract. The 3rd party has his g/f drive you off the road ... and what's that he's wielding in his hand?! You unfortunately were the target of the contract and are a statistic, "a tiny percentage". American policy can be defined quite broadly. [I do not endorse in any way such a hypothetical situation, in disputes foreign or domestic.] However, in reality, I would like to see policy tightened; no more splurging on foreign affairs, trying to buy or influence "votes" and opinions, less meddling, etc. My point is that life doesn't matter as much till it's your butt that's on the line.
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Crazy Iranians sure hold a grudge over nothing don't they?
Your sense of history is grotesquely cynical ... and skewed. Each of your allegations are inflammatory and highly disputed, unless you are a Shiite.

Lastly
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You say Assange's leaks
Wasn't me that said it. Here,
http://www.dailytech.com/Taliban+Murders+Afghan+El...
and here
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527487034...

If Obama had tasked the CIA to find a way to help the pro-democracy movement in Iran, what would you say? After all, since you say you want to topple Obama, is it then NOT ok to topple crazy-Ahmadinejad?


RE: I'm certain many will die...
By Skywalker123 on 12/3/2010 2:01:20 AM , Rating: 1
Where to start? Ok here

"My point is that life doesn't matter as much till it's your butt that's on the line."

My point is that foreigners innocent lives don't matter, they're just "collateral damage".

There's nothing wrong with my sense of history,and it is skewed from the traditional American line. The "allegations" are inflammatory, yet true, and not disputed by anyone but American apologists. You deny we overthrew Mossadegh and installed the Shah? You deny we encouraged Saddam to attack Iran? You deny we shot down an Iranian airliner?
The U.S is actively trying to destabilize the Iranian govt and has since the Ayatollah came to power, and they don't give a crap about any democratic government, we already overthrew an elected Iranian govt in '56.
Crazy Ahmadinejad has never invaded another country, and he is not the power in Iran, he is more or less a figurehead, the Mullahs are the power in Iran.


RE: I'm certain many will die...
By ekv on 12/3/2010 3:17:40 PM , Rating: 3
Look, even if you are Shiite, I still probably wouldn't believe you. I can see you'd be afraid of admitting something. Maybe it's personal. I don't know. No, I wouldn't believe you because the Koran says it's ok to lie to infidels. The Bible is the antithesis of such.

My point is that your cynicism is just grotesque. In your mind foreign lives don't matter to US.

Your focus is on "the glass is half empty", and by this I mean that you see the US as the Great Satan. The US is the source of all evil in your eyes, but especially, "it is BUSH's fault". You can't get your little mind off the US long enough to realize Iran is spending over a hundred million on terrorist activities in the region. Do you think other Middle Eastern countries are not aware of this? Do you think sponsoring terror makes Iran popular?
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Crazy Ahmadinejad has never invaded another country, and he is not the power in Iran, he is more or less a figurehead, the Mullahs are the power in Iran.
Pfft. You've said nothing. I can say the same thing about Obama. But you can't even stand up for democracy in Iran. There is a fine line tween being afraid and outright cowardice.

And we've strayed very, very far from the OP. I'll give you the last word.


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