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Chevrolet Volt window sticker
93 mpg on battery power, 37 mpg on gasoline power

After a cluster bomb that was unleashed yesterday when the Nissan Leaf was rated for an EPA estimated 99 mpg -- even though it is a "battery only" vehicle -- General Motors is dropping a bunch of digits on us when it comes to the EPA rating for its Chevrolet Volt.

According to the window sticker that will be plastered on all new Volts sold in the U.S., the vehicle is rate at an equivalent of 93 mpg when running on electricity, and a more sedate 37 mpg when the gasoline engine kicks in after the battery is depleted. This two figures combined give the Volt a "composite" rating of 60 mpg.

And here are some more numbers -- the Volt will have an official "battery only" range of 35 miles, while the total driving range (taking into account the batteries and the gasoline tank) will be 379 miles.

When the Volt was first announced, GM said that the vehicle would have a 40-mile range when running on battery power. The company recently revised that figure to 25-50 miles.

The Volt will go on sale later this month with a price tag of $41,000 before a $7,500 federal tax credit.



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RE: Not so stellar, but...
By gregpet on 11/24/2010 6:54:07 PM , Rating: 5
Just to be clear...
Toyota has announced the pricing for their plu-in Prius and it is $36,000 with an EV range of only 15 miles...

Please stop with the comparison with the Volt. It is not even close.

AND...You don't by a Volt to run it on gas (whichOrius does as soon as you step on the gas peddle). You by a Volt to Drive your 35-40 miles EV every day and then plug it in at night.

During normal driving weeks you may never burn any gas at all...

Why is this so difficult for you people to understand! The Prius and Volt are nothing alike! And if you want to buy a plug in Prius it will be a worse car (less range and almost as expensive b/c it won't be elidable for the $7500 rebate - only $5000)


RE: Not so stellar, but...
By walk2k on 11/24/2010 9:18:24 PM , Rating: 2
I think you're right, I think someone buying a Volt would plan for 99% of the time to drive it on electric only, to and from work, and plug it in at night. BUT they also have the option if they need to drive it farther, using the gas engine.

I'm still not sure they will pay $41k for it though (or even $33.5k after tax rebate). And we don't know how reliable they will be... it's a GM product, after all.....


RE: Not so stellar, but...
By Alexstarfire on 11/25/2010 3:13:05 AM , Rating: 2
I know the Volt is a better car, but come on. You have some pretty funky rationales. The Prius doesn't go to gas the second you hit the gas pedal. It depends on battery charge and acceleration, but it uses the battery for a second or two before turning on the ICE. I also don't understand your cost argument. A cheaper car with a rebate almost as big makes it almost as expensive? A quick look shows the plug-in Prius to cost about $27,500 before rebates, compared to $41,00 for the Volt. After rebates that's $22,500 and $33,500 respectively. That makes the Volt about %50 more expensive. That's not even close.


RE: Not so stellar, but...
By Masospaghetti on 11/25/2010 7:01:21 PM , Rating: 4
Prius plug-in is estimated to be $5000-$8000 more than a regular Prius. so $28,500-$31,500 before rebates for a stripper model.

While cheaper than the Volt, it also has less than half the EV range and is inferior dynamically, with slower acceleration and less lateral grip. It also has far fewer standard amenities (people conveniently forget that a "base" Volt has a lot of standard content). If you consider a loaded Prius model, there's no comparison - its more expensive AND less capable.

People are whining about 37 mpg in range-extended mode - this is a combined city/highway value and better than almost every other car on the market, except for the Prius. It matches the Camry Hybrid, Fusion Hybrid, Sonata Hybrid, and easily bests any gas-only vehicle sold stateside. Considering this is the Volt's least-efficient mode, it's very impressive.

After all, the point of this car is to use NO gas on a daily basis but not lose any flexibility as you normally would with an EV.

Also, people complaining that the EV range keeps dropping - GM stated 40 miles, EPA stated 35. How about Nissan? They stated 100 miles for the LEAF, and the EPA stated 73. Sounds like GM was closer to the target than Nissan was.


RE: Not so stellar, but...
By mmcdonalataocdotgov on 11/26/2010 7:13:22 AM , Rating: 2
Is that battery range before or after turning on the headlights, radio, windshield wipers, heater or A/C etc? I get 55mpg in my Prius under all driving conditions. Since I commute 40 miles each way, the Volt is a non-starter for me. If I had a 10 mile commute, I would consider it, but I bet that the ICE would kick in every day.


RE: Not so stellar, but...
By Masospaghetti on 11/28/2010 9:31:35 AM , Rating: 3
The overall mileage of the Volt is not going to be affected any worse than your Prius...it's not like the heater and A/C draw more energy in the Volt than your current vehicle.

In any case, the EPA test cycle includes A/C usage, not sure about the other accessories...but the power draw from the headlights and radio are pretty small compared to the 3-5 kW used by the a/c compressor.


RE: Not so stellar, but...
By Alexstarfire on 11/28/2010 4:59:44 AM , Rating: 1
The price I mentored was for the plug-in model they are debuting next year, if what I read is true anyway. The fact that the amenities aren't identical isn't meaningful to the consumer who is looking at the lowest price for each vehicle. You can not get a base Volt to match a base Prius or most other vehicles, simple as that. Comparing the minimum price for each vehicle is perfectly valid.


RE: Not so stellar, but...
By Masospaghetti on 11/28/2010 9:29:49 AM , Rating: 2
Hey, you can get a Cruze for $16,000. It's a much better deal than a BMW 328i!! It's about a third of the cost. /sarcasm

You absolutely have to compare identical trim levels because that is what you are paying for.


RE: Not so stellar, but...
By goku on 11/25/10, Rating: 0
RE: Not so stellar, but...
By Chillin1248 on 11/25/2010 8:45:57 AM , Rating: 3
Some good points there.

I personally drive a Daihatsu Sirion 1.3L Petrol and it manages 48.7 MPG on a all gas drive. So don't mind me if I am a little underwhelmed at the Volt.

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Chillin


RE: Not so stellar, but...
By Flunk on 11/25/2010 9:20:55 AM , Rating: 2
The MPG on this article is the EPA rating, which is in American gallons. Which are smaller than imperial gallons. The numbers aren't comparable.

But I do get your point, there isn't a big gap in fuel efficiency between hybrids and smaller, all gas cars.


RE: Not so stellar, but...
By Masospaghetti on 11/25/2010 7:03:19 PM , Rating: 2
How much does your Daihatsu weigh? How much would be left after a frontal collision with a Suburban? How many 200 lb Americans can fit inside if your car?

I get 120 mpg on my 2-stroke Yamaha...

48.7 mpg is great, but this is obviously not a serious comparison.


RE: Not so stellar, but...
By goku on 11/26/2010 12:26:57 AM , Rating: 2
That car isn't sold in the United States, either in the UK or in Japan so the part about the suburban is irrelevant. The car weighs around 1937lbs, very similar in weight to the CRX HF, Civic VX hatch, Metro hatch, and a few other gas sippers. From my knowledge about all Honda Civics including the VX, it can carry an additional 800lbs in terms of not violating the Maxmium GVWR, despite the vehicle weighing 2100lbs. Most cars, even really heavy cars (think 4-5K lbs) don't really have a carrying capacity of more than about 1000LBs and that's to ensure good ride quality and handling properties. A vehicle with a lot of carrying capacity is usually one that doesn't ride very well at all, such as a pickup truck.

To give you an example, the Lexus LS430 has a carrying capacity of 1150Lbs despite weighing 4000lbs. To further illustrate this desire of manufacturers to limit a car's carrying capacity, try comparing two Honda civics of the same body style, like the 1999 Civic Si Coupe M/T and the 1999 Civic DX Coupe M/T. The Si weighs 2610lbs while the DX with the M/T weighs 2335lbs. Yet instead of both vehicles having the same Maximum GVWR, the Si has a Maximum GVWR that is conveniently about 275lbs greater than the DX despite them sharing the same chassis and there being a small difference in weight.


RE: Not so stellar, but...
By Dr of crap on 11/29/2010 12:42:17 PM , Rating: 2
Why is it so hard for YOU people to understand -
IN most peoples eyes, I throw myself in there, they ARE the same.
Gas and battery powered
Limited battery range
HIGHER priced than a ICE car

The numbers game we need to looking at, and posted on here very well, is the COST OF ONWERSHIP.
It will take over 7 years to recoup the high cost of the Volt with reduced gas usage.
That's it. Plain and simple.
I can buy a used ( 2-3 year old ) 30/40mpg ICE car for $10,000-$12,000 and drive it to 200,000 miles, as I have with the past 4 cars I boughten like this, and THAT is how cost of onwership is reduced.
Those of us with kids and bills to pay won't go for $40,000 cars. It's not cost effective.
Saving the planet with battery power is not even second or third on my list!


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