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Letters sent to the wrong companies by mistake

The long running contest to find a replacement for the Air Force's fleet of tanker aircraft used to refuel aircraft has hit another snag. The latest gaffe happened in the bidding contest that has resulted in each of the participating bidders inadvertently being sent information on the competitors offering by the Air Force.

The Air Force accidentally sent letters to Boeing and EADS that were meant to go to the other company. The letters each company received were the Integrated fleet Aerial Refueling Assessments (IFARA) the Air Force prepared on the bidding aircraft.

Air Force spokesman Col. Les Kodlick said, "Earlier this month, there was a clerical error that resulted in limited amounts of identical source-selection information being provided to both KC-X offerors concerning their competitor's offer. Both offerors immediately recognized the error and contacted the Air Force contracting officers."

The IFARA letter is something that the Air Force prepares that outlines scenarios to determine how many of the tankers will be needed. The assessment takes into consideration fuel and construction costs reports Defense News. The IFARA is considered the biggest risk factor in the tanker bidding program.

The Air Force says that the error will not delay the bidding process and that it is taking action to ensure than an error like this is not repeated. Both Boeing and EADS offered no official comment on the errors. Executives from both aircraft companies did say that in a situation like that the only ethical thing to do was to not review the documents.

Defense News quotes on unnamed exec stating, "That kind of stuff can easily be tracked, so everyone knows you don't mess around."

Kodlick said, "The KC-X source selection will continue. This incident will not impact our schedule for source selection. However, certain aspects of the source selection have taken slightly longer than originally anticipated, and we currently expect the award to occur early next year."

It's still not clear if the error will affect the contest, despite the Air Force saying the process will not be delayed. However, if the Air Force requests another bid from the companies, the error could affect the process according to some familiar with the situation.

"We have to see whether the exchange of the data affects the competition, especially if the next round will be the best-and-final bids. Then it might be of some value to have the other person's information," said Jacques Gansler, a former Pentagon acquisition chief who teaches public policy at the University of Maryland.

This is the latest issue in the problem prone bidding process. Boeing submitted its NewGen tanker proposal to the Air Force in July 2010. EADS came back to the bidding process with a new U.S. partner in June 2010 after dropping out when Northrop-Grumman pulled out of the bidding war.



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WASTE!!
By zelachang on 11/22/2010 11:36:13 AM , Rating: -1
Another example of GOVERNMENT bureacracy and waste of tax dollars. If this were a private enterprise this WOULDN'T have happened!




RE: WASTE!!
By AEvangel on 11/22/2010 11:46:09 AM , Rating: 2
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Another example of GOVERNMENT bureacracy and waste of tax dollars. If this were a private enterprise this WOULDN'T have happened!


Well, it still might have happened, but if it did someone would have lost their jobs, where as in Govt. you just get too keep your job or get promoted.


RE: WASTE!!
By T2k on 11/22/2010 11:53:18 AM , Rating: 1
This is probably the biggest idiocy in this topic, the assumption is that somehow private business never fails...

...riiiight, just think of the scumbags like Government Sachs or the entire financial meltdown.

The main problem in this country is that way too many idiots out there repeating this kind of stupid nonsense you just voiced here.


RE: WASTE!!
By The Raven on 11/22/2010 2:10:10 PM , Rating: 1
Although he might not have meant to do it, this guy set my sarcasm detector off. LOL

But his comment aside...

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...riiiight, just think of the scumbags like Government Sachs or the entire financial meltdown.

Well, the gov't does tip scales one way or another. I mean when that all went down, everyone pointed fingers at the republicans for not regulating enough. If that was the case (which it turns out that the SEC should've been all over that) then it is the gov't's fault in a way. Yes there are bad/inept people in the private sector too as you pointed out. But it seems to me that in the case of Sachs/Lehman and the recession in general, the gov't did as much wrong as the private sector.

I guess you could kind of equate it to a rapist who the gov't lets off easy and then rapes someone else. Did the gov't rape the 2nd victim? No. Are they at fault of wrongdoing? I'd say yes. (Its a weak example off the top of my head, but I'm sure you get the gist of what I'm saying.)

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The main problem in this country is that way too many idiots out there repeating this kind of stupid nonsense you just voiced here.

Though I take this rant of his as nonsense, I think it is important to beware of both sides of the equation. Both big business and big gov't are dangerous and we should be weary of both. I prefer a minimum of both.

Regarding the actual article, this just sounds like a mistake that anyone could make and I don't think it is a very good example of the "Public v. Private" argument.
This guy should go to the DMV or the post office and get back to us ;-)


RE: WASTE!!
By Reclaimer77 on 11/22/2010 2:31:31 PM , Rating: 1
The OP was directly commenting on the inherent waste and inefficiency of Government. I would have thought the all caps WASTE! was a good hint. Why are you commenting on private businesses failing and the financial meltdown?

I think if you are arguing that Government can do anything more efficient and timely than the private sector, well, I wouldn't go around calling others idiots if I were you.


RE: WASTE!!
By Nfarce on 11/22/2010 3:27:24 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah because Social Security, the US Postal Service, Medicare, Medicaid, the IRS, and Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac are such shining examples of great efficiencies, right? Government can afford to be inefficient - it has unlimited guaranteed income from us the taxpayers. If our federal government (and the elected people running it in Congress) were run like a private business, it would have gone bankrupt decades ago and the officials in jail.

The only difference between the Ponzi federal government and corporate corruption like Enron is that nobody except the voters is holding the government accountable - and they have no power to do anything about it.


RE: WASTE!!
By FaaR on 11/22/2010 12:16:43 PM , Rating: 1
Worldcom?

Enron?

LOL!

Besides, would you REALLY want have a privately owned and run DoD? Personally the mere thought gives me the heebie jeebies, but you sound like the kind of clueless guy who might be OK with that idea...


RE: WASTE!!
By Nfarce on 11/22/2010 4:04:12 PM , Rating: 1
There are tens of thousands of corporations in the US, and all you Big Government lovers can do is trot out the same tired ubiquitous handful of bad apples. Yawn.

We can see the corruption and inefficiencies of Big Government every single day.


RE: WASTE!!
By nolisi on 11/22/2010 4:41:00 PM , Rating: 1
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We can see the corruption and inefficiencies of Big Government every single day.


The distinction here is that government is this big, sprawling, PUBLIC entity which cannot hide its corruptions and inefficiency. Government is also in conflict with itself (system of checks and balances between branches, and the party system), which serve to make inefficiencies and corruption more visible. Additionally, it is all located on American soil, harder to hide your corruption and inefficency when your constituents are all around you.

While corporations are big and sprawling, a good number are private entities with relatively few checks and balances that are most definitely not integrated and can hide overseas. They also tend to be unified as employers and employees are working toward a similar goal- it does not fight within itself in the same manner as the government does- and if internal conflicts do exist, they are relatively hidden as it would be bad PR for the company.

Just because you can point to more visible inefficencies and corruption in the government doesn't make it worse. It just means the government is worse at hiding them. The scary thing is you're either being willfully ignorant of the different dynamics between government and business, or you're just truly blind to the situation as it exists. Would you really have the government run as a private entity with its corruption not as readily visible, and little to no say in its operation? Countries like that exist- one of them happens to be named China.


RE: WASTE!!
By Reclaimer77 on 11/22/2010 5:27:08 PM , Rating: 2
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The distinction here is that government is this big, sprawling, PUBLIC entity which cannot hide its corruptions and inefficiency .


???

Of course it can. The true scope and span of Government corruption would shock all of us. Hell our own Government most likely assassinated it's own president and it's, to this day, not common knowledge. And to borrow a page from my Liberal friends, how's that war in Iraq working out for us? How about when a Government agency "misplaces" billions of dollars?

You got it all backwards. Corporations have to answer to, not only the Government, but it's shareholders and investors and the world if they are publicly traded. Who does the Government really have to answer to? Checks and balances? Please, that hasn't been a factor in a long time. It's a nice theory, but in reality Government has become one huge self serving mess.

The premise of your argument is so stupid. The Government holds ALL the power in our country. They don't NEED to hide what they are doing, we have no recourse anyway. The worst that happens to a politician these days, when he commits a crime or breaks the trust of the people, is that he has to read a public apology! OH man, how terrible!!

The biggest business now is Government. And business is booming...

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Would you really have the government run as a private entity with its corruption not as readily visible


If THIS government was run like a business? I don't know any business that can print money instead of going bankrupt after horribly mismanaging, over borrowing, and spending itself to death.


RE: WASTE!!
By Nfarce on 11/22/2010 7:18:21 PM , Rating: 2
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Government is also in conflict with itself (system of checks and balances between branches, and the party system), which serve to make inefficiencies and corruption more visible.


Tell that to Congresspeople who do closed door under-the-table deals with special interest groups.

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Additionally, it is all located on American soil, harder to hide your corruption and inefficiency when your constituents are all around you.


Well I would sure hope to hell the American government is located on American soil and not overseen by the worthless UN or something of the like.

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While corporations are big and sprawling, a good number are private entities with relatively few checks and balances that are most definitely not integrated and can hide overseas.


Well you have a point there. Sort of. I guess the government SEC and IRS fails at capturing that too just like it did at failing to capture the financial meltdown.

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Just because you can point to more visible inefficencies and corruption in the government doesn't make it worse. It just means the government is worse at hiding them.


Sure it does. It's OUR MONEY . OUR money isn't taken from our paychecks and given to corporations the last time I checked. If I choose to invest in a corporation, then I will reap what I sow.

quote:
Would you really have the government run as a private entity with its corruption not as readily visible, and little to no say in its operation?


Go back and re-read my analogy. I made no such statement. I said IF the government was run as a private entity it would not have survived. And that's the truth.



RE: WASTE!!
By Scabies on 11/22/2010 12:44:55 PM , Rating: 3
if this were a private thing, any mishap post-production would be a result of "holding it wrong"


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