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  (Source: Mobileshop.com)
WP7 either a "ringing success" that "didn't exactly make waves"

EWeek is reporting that reports of first-day Windows Phone 7 sales have run the gamut of lackluster to impressive, depending on whom you ask.

The Seattle Times deemed the new mobile OS from Microsoft a "ringing success." An AT&T spokeswoman told the news outlet: "We did have lines in some of our markets across the nation. There definitely was anticipation for the phone." She did not provide any sales figures, though.

At T-Mobile, the HTC HD7 was briefly sold out online, but is now back in stock. The Times reported that a store in Bellevue, Wash. had sold only three of the devices by noon of launch day.

On Twitter, the #wp7 hash-tag has provided some additional insight into user's experiences with the device. "Got lucky and snagged a Samsung Focus this morning before it sold out. Was too late at the MS store, but AT&T had 1 left. I need it!," wrote sirkirby.

But first day sales numbers, as reported by The Street, weren't exactly extraordinary. The financial news website said Windows Phone 7 "didn't exactly make waves" on launch day, selling "a mere 40,000 Windows 7 phones." In comparison, Apple's iPhone 4 sold 600,000 units in pre-orders alone (coincidentally, that's the same amount of Windows Mobile devices Microsoft was able to sell in all of Q3 2010). Meanwhile, The Street has pinned Android's daily sales figures at 200,000 units per day.

"It's early in the game," a Nielsen telecom analyst told The Street. "Not every product surges right out of the starting blocks. The first Android phone [G1] was not a big seller at T-Mobile," adding that Black Friday and Christmas sales will be a better test of WP7's staying power. By then, Verizon, the nation's largest mobile carrier, will also be in the Microsoft mix, which should help boost sales figures.




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Got my Focus on Monday
By Wolfgangap on 11/10/2010 9:08:20 AM , Rating: 4
I got 1 of the 2 Samsung Focus phones available on Monday.

My friend got the second one, so my town is now sold out of Samsung Focus phones for at least a week.

Loving the phone so far -- I am coming from an iPhone 3G. I have messed around with the iPhone 4 and it is nice, but I do feel that the WP7 is better (I enjoy the GUI, like the keyboard better, like the live tiles, etc..) -- they both do something nicer than the other.

I am already a Zune subscriber so the WP7 was an easy decision for me.




RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By mcnabney on 11/10/10, Rating: -1
RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By straycat74 on 11/10/2010 9:31:07 AM , Rating: 4
Why does it bother you so much whichever way it goes? You don't have to want the phone, but if you don't admit that it(Windows Mobile 7) is a great restart to windows mobile, then you aren't being objective. Windows Mobile 7 success doesn't change the value of your favorite product. It's OK.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By mcnabney on 11/10/10, Rating: -1
RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By dworvos on 11/10/2010 10:09:57 AM , Rating: 5
I don't see it as unreasonable to have a company who has failed many times to try again. Apple failed many times with their Macintosh computers before Steve Jobs arrived on scene. It's a fact that marketing works, Apple has some of the best and successful ad campaigns.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Guspaz on 11/10/2010 11:39:27 AM , Rating: 2
Ignoring the fact that the Macintosh was Steve Job's personal baby until Apple fired him, sure.

Considering that Jobs' new venture, NeXT, also was a failure, I think he probably learned a lot from those two failures, and learned what not to do when he got back to Apple more than a decade later.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By sprockkets on 11/10/2010 1:34:43 PM , Rating: 2
Why was NeXT a failure? At the time Dell ran NeXT to power their entire BTO sales web site.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Smilin on 11/10/2010 3:34:31 PM , Rating: 1
Why was NeXT a failure?

Is Dell still running them?


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By sprockkets on 11/10/2010 3:46:14 PM , Rating: 3
They stopped using them the instant Apple bought them. Kinda like how Microsoft stopped using Unix when they took over hotmail, and back then NT4 sucked balls.

Dog food.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Smilin on 11/10/2010 6:00:07 PM , Rating: 1
ok but it was still a failure.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By omnicronx on 11/10/2010 3:04:55 PM , Rating: 2
It wasnt like NeXT failed and Jobs went onto Apple to start fresh. Apple specially bought NexT to use it as the basis for their next generation OS.. i.e OSX.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By mcnabney on 11/10/10, Rating: -1
RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Smilin on 11/10/2010 10:27:03 AM , Rating: 2
Hey no problem! And thank YOU for changing your name from reader1 so we wouldn't have to look at it anymore.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By mcnabney on 11/10/10, Rating: -1
RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Smilin on 11/10/2010 10:48:32 AM , Rating: 3
gotcha. *wink* You're not Reader1. Just someone who argues with as much emotion and as little substance.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Pirks on 11/10/2010 1:04:25 PM , Rating: 4
here's a quick test to determine if a person is a reader1 or not: ask him/her about closed systems and vertical integration ;)


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By maverick85wd on 11/10/2010 10:17:19 PM , Rating: 2
that's funny, I always kinda thought you were reader1. Of course, in my mind, all trolls are really one person behind many user names...


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Wolfgangap on 11/10/2010 10:16:16 AM , Rating: 3
It has plenty of new ideas. The entire GUI is a new idea. The way everything is tightly built into their Cloud service is a new idea. Google is getting there with Android and Apple wants an extra $99 a year for services that WP7 provides (locate lost phone, remote wipe, etc...)

The hardware is nice, not amazing, but what would be amazing these days? iPhone 4 is nice, but again not amazing. This is nothing like WinMo 6.5. You can argue it is worse in some respects (worse for business) and much better for consumer use.

It is a cloud device (upload photos to skydrive right after taking the pic, facebook (I don't use that), zune services, Bing, etc...)

Yes it is missing some features which are coming soon. On my iPhone 3G I used copy and paste a handful of times. It is nice to have, but I don't miss it.

The browser is plenty fast -- every web review has shown it performs about as well as the other mobile browsers.

I guess you haven't ventured into the Zune marketplace which is filled with quality XNA based games and Silverlight Apps. The live tiles are a nice touch -- I can see the current weather without launching the app.

I have shared the phone with a few people and they found it much easier to navigate than an iPhone.

The biggest problem with WP7 is it is on ATT where it has to compete with iPhone here in the US and iPhone certainly is what is on the consumers mind.

You just sound like someone who doesn't like Microsoft. If you can't even acknowledge some of the cool things MS has done on the 360 -- well it is clear you are sticking your head in the sand.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By mcnabney on 11/10/10, Rating: -1
RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Wolfgangap on 11/10/2010 10:42:37 AM , Rating: 3
I went with AT&T because they are the best in my area. I live in a smallish area and won't be getting LTE coverage anytime soon.

The reason MS launched on AT&T and T-Mobile vs Verizon is because the rest of the world is GSM. They didn't want build out CDMA phones when it would only work in the US and a few other carriers. GSM offers more coverage.

All the reviews I read stated the browser was good, but going into it they thought it would suck because it is a hybrid of IE7 and IE8. It actually works well and most reviews echoed that. My biggest complaint would be the screen is more sensitive than the iPhone and I accidently zoom sometimes.

I don't trust the cloud at all. I don't even use many of the cloud features -- but that is what MS was selling -- a cool phone (instant camera) that syncs and shares with the cloud. It is a much more integrated experience.

The Lives tiles aren't revolutionary, but the way the are implemented is new and the GUI is much more consistent than Android and iOS. I have shown it to non-tech people and they found navigating to apps, using the phone was quicker and that they enjoyed the experience. I know two people who are now going to get WP7 Focus instead of upgrading to iPhone 4.

The WP7 phone fits perfectly in between iPhone and Android. iPhone is 1 phone and 1 OS for all. WP7 is 1 OS for all and multiple phones. Android is multiple phones and multiple OSes. I enjoy what WP7 is offering vs iPhone and don't even want to get into the OS/App store hell that is Android. Android will soon have a Google store, Amazon Store, HTC Store and the rumored Sony store... Then you have Androids getting updates at different times, no standard hardware performance, etc...

WP7 did a good job of helping developers only have tackle 1 OS where they will know the performance of it and allowing users to choose which kind of handset and features they want in the actual hardware.

The Kin != WP7. That is an old and tired argument.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By mcnabney on 11/10/2010 11:00:37 AM , Rating: 3
Good reasoning. I am glad you are satisfied with the product.

I would point out one misnomer, there really isn't that much of a difference between a GSM and CDMA phone. The difference is a slightly different radio (one tiny chip) and usually the antenna will be different based upon the frequencies that the carrier uses. For example, T-Mobile and AT&T devices would have the exact same radio chip, but the antennas would be slightly different because they use different bands of spectrum. Changing a device manufacturing process from GSM to CDMA would require soldering a different radio chip in and attaching a slightly different antenna (for best performance). And a different set of firmware to run the radio correctly. It really isn't a big deal.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Wiggy Mcshades on 11/10/2010 11:36:14 AM , Rating: 2
That not big deal you are talking about is atleast 3 months of design work and then more time for rewriting the firmware. After all of that the device has to be retested in house and then sent to the FCC (or if not in the US a comparable organization for where you are) for validation, that all takes an inordinate amount of time. It is NOT as simple as soldering a new chip and using a new antenna. One chip being changed on a highly complex multilayer pcb is usually huge. That usually leads to rerunning traces because with a device this small every single trace is in a very exact place and the traces were placed based on specifications of the chip used.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By omnicronx on 11/10/2010 2:17:25 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I went and checked and reviews are all complaining about the browser's speed, starting with the reviews at DailyTech.
Thats a load of garbage. Even Mac centric sites like ARS stated its a great browser in the review. The only complaints I have seen is text is not so viewable when zoomed out far, and that it does not support HTML5 right now.

That being said SPEED has not been the issue to those that actually did a proper review of the release version of the phone.

Not some crappy beta review with buggy code.(which I think is where you are basing your DT review from)


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By tharik on 11/10/2010 4:02:34 PM , Rating: 2
I think the Xbox gained on one thing and that was Halo.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Drag0nFire on 11/10/2010 4:27:14 PM , Rating: 2
Freaking Microsoft. I want to play Halo 3. Just to finish the story arc if nothing else. If only they would be kind enough to release it for the PC, I will gladly fork over $30.

Seriously, it's been like 3 years. Anyone who's going to buy an xbox to play this game has already bought one.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Smilin on 11/10/2010 6:03:22 PM , Rating: 3
After the original port of Halo (1) you still want that?

I was getting like 20fps on a $600 graphics card when that thing came out. I never finished playing it.

Grab one of the black thursday sales and pickup an Xbox. Even if you remain a hardcore pc gamer (like me) you'll still dig many of its games plus all the extras (netflix, stream media from pc, etc..)


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By melgross on 11/10/2010 10:49:15 AM , Rating: 1
If you INSIST that's it's a great restart before knowing how well it's doing over some reasonable span of time, then YOU aren't being objective either.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Wolfgangap on 11/10/2010 10:57:40 AM , Rating: 2
I haven't insisted at all. I am just pointing out what MS has done with the phone since A) I actually own it, B) have used it in "real life" and C) actually wrote an app for it.

I never said it was a great restart. I said I am enjoying the phone and am happy with my purchase.

It isn't perfect, but I haven't found a device that is -- so that will always be a complaint.

I would like to see some features added and hopefully they continue to improve on the phone like Apple and Google have done with their phone.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By foolsgambit11 on 11/10/2010 3:29:26 PM , Rating: 2
I mostly agree, but there are some exceptions. Sometimes the success of an inferior product makes it that much harder to get a product that caters to your needs. Take, for instance, the success of TN LCD panels, which have made it harder and harder to get a laptop with a higher-quality IPS panel. I'm not saying that will happen in this case, or that WP7 is an inferior product (I haven't tried it, but it looks great, save the current lack of a few features), just saying that a case can be made for being displeased with other consumers' choices in products. But yeah, in the case of smartphones, I'd say to each his own should be the policy.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By omnicronx on 11/10/2010 2:12:36 PM , Rating: 2
You are an idiot. The Zune for all intents and purposes was a failure and MS knows it.

Why on earth would a failed market be their target market?

Its quite easy to see what their target market is this time around.. ANY consumer as its a consumer centric phone..

Zune integration is nothing but a nice addition for those that have been faithful, but its hardly the target market.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By tharik on 11/10/2010 4:06:45 PM , Rating: 2
Its quite easy to see what their target market is this time around.. Idiots!


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Smilin on 11/11/2010 11:27:59 AM , Rating: 2
In that case they'll get massacred in the market by Apple. They have that segment cornered.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Mitch101 on 11/10/2010 9:50:57 AM , Rating: 2
I canceled my order after AT&T screwed things up. The phone sold out and I arrived at home to read an e-mail that there was a problem with my account. I called to be dropped 45 mins later, Called again and then told I need to wait while another department got online. When the new guy got on the phone they started asking a number of personal questions. I told them after the first question I wasn't comfortable with this and how many additional questions would there be. He told me 6 more I also then received an e-mail from AT&T stating I needed to fax them my drivers license and copy of my social security card. At that point I told them to shove the phone and service and cancel my order. Funny enough at the bottom of the e-mail is says I can order a pay as you go plan. Seems It easier to be a drug lord than to get a corporate discount today with AT&T.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By mcnabney on 11/10/2010 10:06:45 AM , Rating: 2
That is odd. They usually just ask for your email address associated with the qualified employer. They send an email to that address, you click approve, and bam - the discount is on there. At least that is how I did it with Verizon and T-Mobile. Maybe AT&T is different?


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By Mitch101 on 11/10/2010 10:56:25 AM , Rating: 2
Thats how I did it with Verizon at my previous employer.


RE: Got my Focus on Monday
By inighthawki on 11/10/2010 12:25:05 PM , Rating: 2
lol, you sure that wasn't a phishing scam? I've never heard of a company asking for drivers license, social security cards, and asking tons of personal questions just for a small problem with the account...


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