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Apple MacBook Air
Apple's new MacBook Air may be thin and sleek, but hardware/software problems are being reported

Apple may be known for releasing flashy products that take thin and light to the extreme, but the company is also known for its share of problems with new release hardware. The latest product to experience problems is the recently introduced total revamp of the MacBook Air.

According to Cult of Mac, there have been reports of both 11" and 13" MacBook Airs experiencing problems with screen distortion and blank screens [see video]. Cult of Mac's David Martin witnessed similar problems with his own MacBook Air, stating, "I observed horizontal sparkling bands running up and down the screen, but the computer did not freeze."

Martin and another editor also experienced problems with "kernel panics" on the new MacBook Air:

Leander saw two kernel panics on a 13-inch model and one on an 11-inch model. I’ve experienced one on my 13-inch model that I attributed to my attempting to boot with an SD card built on a MacBook Pro – so I’m sure mine doesn’t count, but his experience is curious. Macs rarely kernel panic and yet he’s seen three of these within four days. All occurred during wake-from-sleep.

To pile on to the matter, Macworld has also experienced similar problems with the new MacBook Airs. Serenity Caldwell describes:

Sadly, I can personally confirm these issues: Just two days after unboxing my 11-inch Air—the base model with 4GB of RAM—the notebook randomly cut to a gray screen during Screen Sharing and only a reboot could cure it. In the ensuing days, I’ve seen my Air’s screen turn a variety of colors: gray again, tan, gray-black, and—on Monday—blue! (Let’s everyone get their Blue Screen of Death jokes out of the way now, please.)

As I was working on something different in every instance, it was hard to say exactly what triggered the crashes, though Screen Sharing has been the culprit at least twice. Neither a PRAM nor SMC reset did much to help.

There is also a discussion thread over at the Apple Discussions Board where MacBook Air owners are describing problems with faulty displays and system crashes.

For its part, Apple has not issued an official statement regarding these new issues.



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Can't have it both ways...
By SAmely on 11/2/2010 3:15:27 PM , Rating: 5
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I’ve experienced one on my 13-inch model that I attributed to my attempting to boot with an SD card built on a MacBook Pro – so I’m sure mine doesn’t count

If this was a PC, people would be harping on compatibility issues and ripping it up and down for not "just working". What a farce.




RE: Can't have it both ways...
By StevoLincolnite on 11/2/2010 3:26:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If this was a PC, people would be harping on compatibility issues and ripping it up and down for not "just working". What a farce.


Or just update drivers.

ATI had an issue like this (Gray screen's etc') with it's Radeon 5xxx cards in an older set of drivers, the fix? Downgrade/Upgrade the drivers.

However I don't think Dailytech reported on it... They seem to have an acute fascination with Apple currently however.

But half the issue I think is that most of such issues on the PC aren't that common, or are just not reported as "news", or people just aren't bothered by it as much as they paid less for it anyway. - Could even be a combination of all of the above.


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By Luticus on 11/2/2010 3:31:35 PM , Rating: 5
Could that have something to do with the smug way apple portrays itself??? I mean, they are the holy land of computing, Apples don't have errors... that's only windows and everything else...

Naw, that has NOTHING to do with it! /sarcasm


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By theArchMichael on 11/2/10, Rating: 0
RE: Can't have it both ways...
By RjBass on 11/3/2010 9:28:50 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
ATI graphics cards are considered an enthusiast brand aftermarket addon


Seriously? I know ATI/AMD has some high end cards, but I would hardly call their entire line all enthusiast type products. This card right here http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8... is not even close to being an enthusiast type of card. Many Dell's, HP's, etc.. come with ATI graphics cards and they are by no means top of the line.

It was a good comparison.


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By ninjaquick on 11/3/2010 1:50:33 PM , Rating: 2
5850 and 5870s have the grey screen issue, and ARE the enthusiast devices. You should never see a reference low end or mainstream add-on card have any issues since these SKUs are the bulk of sales.


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By RjBass on 11/3/2010 3:55:00 PM , Rating: 2
Correct, but the poster referred to ATI/AMD in general.


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By Reclaimer77 on 11/3/2010 3:54:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
But also ATI graphics cards are considered an enthusiast brand aftermarket addon so technical issues are common and these users are normally much more technically adept.


I'm no ATI fanboi, but considering how their MID-RANGE cards are where the real hype is, I don't see how they can be considered an enthusiast brand. They aren't the ones selling $600 omgourgraphicswillmakeyoucum cards like Nvidia.


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By Etern205 on 11/3/2010 5:32:21 PM , Rating: 2
So your interpretation of a enthusiast card has to be $600?!
Please go back into your cave.


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By Reclaimer77 on 11/3/2010 10:58:16 PM , Rating: 2
So your definition of "enthusiast" is anything not lowest end, bottom of the barrel?


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By Etern205 on 11/4/2010 11:11:18 AM , Rating: 3
My definition of "enthusiast" is to have the card with the best performance without burning a hole in your wallet.

GTX460 will be one of them but its 1GB model price used to be close in range with the HD5850. Since the HD5850 is faster and cost like $20-30 mores. I went with that instead.


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By amanojaku on 11/2/2010 4:01:00 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
They seem to have an acute fascination with Apple currently however.
Page views, public fascination (positive and negative)... And Apple is one of the more active companies lately.
quote:
But half the issue I think is that most of such issues on the PC aren't that common
Truth.
quote:
or are just not reported as "news"
They get just as much exposure, if not more (Sony, Dell batteries), than Mac issues. It's the increasing frequency and breadth of Mac issues that's shocking, when it's the opposite for PC issues.
quote:
or people just aren't bothered by it as much as they paid less for it anyway
Please, if I got it free I'd complain about the thing breaking. We take what we own for granted, but it's nice to know my cheaper-than-a-Mac PC has better build quality.

Apple's "we control everything tightly to provide a better experience" crap is just that. If Apple would just allow the Mac OS to run on any x86 box AND drop the prices of its systems and components to those of competitors', while not lying about it's resistance to viruses, hacking, crashes, etc..., people wouldn't cry foul.


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By Shadowmaster625 on 11/2/10, Rating: -1
RE: Can't have it both ways...
By Iaiken on 11/2/2010 5:31:25 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
and all it its variants


You mean like this one:

quote:
You need to restart your computer. Hold down the Power button for several seconds or press the Restart button


I've managed to achieve kernel panics on my wifes iMac running OSX 10.6.4 in over 15 different ways. Several of those ways methods lead to OSX corrupting it's own system data or driver information. Nothing elaborate, just doing things

My favorite was back in 10.3 when I hooked up a USB hub with two USB memory keys already plugged into it. The discovery order caused the kernel to panic and the data on both drives was corrupted after it was mounted.

Another OSX release caused her applications to all request virtual memory until there was only 50mb left on the drive and slow her iMac down to a crawl.

Hell, since Windows 7, I spend more time fixing her stupid iMac than I do fixing my gaming box. I don't hate Apple products because I don't know anything about them, I hate them because I know more about them than I care to.


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By priusone on 11/2/2010 8:12:55 PM , Rating: 3
I love that statement...

"I don't hate Apple products because I don't know anything about them, I hate them because I know more about them than I care to."


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By MonkeyPaw on 11/2/2010 10:28:23 PM , Rating: 3
I've been there, too. My Powermac crashed/panicked randomly, often while doing nothing at all. It was intolerable considering the cost of the machine and that nothing fixed the issue (not even a reformat). At least with a PC, you can try swapping parts or tweaking some BIOS settings, or maybe even changing a real-life, vendor-supplied driver. With a Mac, you are at the mercy of Apple for all fixes. That's fine when figure it out quickly, when they don't (or refuse to admit the problem), you quite possibly could be screwed indefinitely.


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By jonmcc33 on 11/3/2010 3:49:16 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
I've managed to achieve kernel panics on my wifes iMac running OSX 10.6.4 in over 15 different ways. Several of those ways methods lead to OSX corrupting it's own system data or driver information. Nothing elaborate, just doing things


Oh, those are features and not actual problems.


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By frobizzle on 11/3/2010 9:21:47 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
I've managed to achieve kernel panics on my wifes iMac running OSX 10.6.4 in over 15 different ways. Several of those ways methods lead to OSX corrupting it's own system data or driver information. Nothing elaborate, just doing things

You're just holding it wrong!


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By Cheesew1z69 on 11/3/10, Rating: 0
RE: Can't have it both ways...
By Smilin on 11/8/2010 3:50:07 PM , Rating: 1
Interesting that you quote that particular error.

It is in fact an access violation cause by the application itself. It indicates there was a first chance exception that the application failed to handle so the second chance exception was caught by the OS before it damaged user data.

This is an example of your OS performing perfectly. Take your gripes up with the vendor, not Windows. The same thing could happen on a Mac (maybe...if the vendor even writes a version for OSX).


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By jezzza234 on 11/3/10, Rating: -1
RE: Can't have it both ways...
By hyvonen on 11/3/2010 8:58:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Long story short, its probably those that rate as 0 that are worth reading. Wonder what this gets, probably -1 cos its very non-conformist


You're welcome.


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By XZerg on 11/2/2010 3:30:48 PM , Rating: 4
If this was a PC related no one would give a damn... instead would just say that either do this or that, or RMA it.

With Apple - It just works or live with it damnit and believe you were wrong as Stevie Jobs Wonder would want you to.


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By SAmely on 11/2/2010 3:55:28 PM , Rating: 5
Correct, and the point of my post was that if a Mac user encountered this on a PC, they would insult PCs and all of the above to no end.

Whereas, in this example, the guy (a Mac user) has it happen on a Mac and it's no big deal.


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By TheRequiem on 11/2/2010 4:11:34 PM , Rating: 5
The thing I still don't understand is how/ why Apple products are still viewed as "premium products"? I have seen nothing other than ridiculous issues with this company over the past year despite all their eye candy. Yellow screens, antenna issues, permanent crashes, etc... a lot of these issues are much more widespread and ridiculous then other products from other comparable companies, but they aren't made from Aluminum or overpriced either.

When is public perception going to change on Apple? I'm sure it has to be gradually, trends change and so do companies. My friend last year went through 3 iMac's until he found one that was not pitch yellow in the middle of the screen. My other buddy sold his iPhone 4 and switched to Sprint for an Epic because he was having issues with that, I saw it with my own eye's. These faults will wear on the public's perception.


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By Nutzo on 11/2/10, Rating: -1
RE: Can't have it both ways...
By brshoemak on 11/2/2010 9:41:04 PM , Rating: 5
Impressive how you found a way to inject a political jab in the middle of a technical discussion - which has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the topic at hand. Can we expect references to Bill Gates during the 2012 elections?

:rolleyes


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By jebo on 11/2/2010 3:41:49 PM , Rating: 5
So, he's giving his macbook failure a pass because he's using an SD card from another macbook?

The whole idea behind flash cards is their ability to move from one system to another easily. If that alone breaks the macbook, it's a major issue.

I wonder how long it will take before Apple's "It Just Works" reputation is tarnished by their willingness to continually subject paying users to forced beta testing.


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By Luticus on 11/2/2010 3:54:12 PM , Rating: 5
What really tops this off is that Windows and Linux and everyone else supports TONS of different hardware configurations, whereas mac support just it's one lineup of hardware... seriously how hard is it to test ONE lineup of hardware and make sure it's not a complete piece of crap?

It's not like they need 1000's of different drivers here... it's like a small handful...


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By freeman70 on 11/2/2010 8:19:42 PM , Rating: 3
I agree. Apple shouldn't have so many hardware and software problems given such a limited range of hardware to support.


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By Solandri on 11/2/2010 4:00:44 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
The whole idea behind flash cards is their ability to move from one system to another easily. If that alone breaks the macbook, it's a major issue.

He booted off a system disk made with a Macbook Pro on an SD card. He's saying the problem likely isn't the card, it's probably some system config which mistakenly got carried over from the MBP which doesn't work on the Air.

But yeah, given how much control Apple exerts over their hardware, even that shouldn't be causing a problem. The whole point (non-ulterior) of them disallowing 3rd party systems is to maintain homogeneity in the hardware. If you can't create a system disk on one Mac which works on another, what's the point of the homogeneity?


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By Flunk on 11/2/2010 3:58:23 PM , Rating: 3
There is still something to be said about a notebook that small and beautiful. I still kinda want one and I hate OS X.


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By Ammohunt on 11/2/2010 4:09:01 PM , Rating: 1
What you think chicks will start digging you if you had one?


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By Flunk on 11/2/2010 4:57:53 PM , Rating: 3
Maybe ones who aren't worth my time. If you don't understand the drive for smaller, cooler gadgets what are you doing here?


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By MadMan007 on 11/2/2010 10:19:47 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe chicks who dig your 'smaller, cooler gadget ' will at least notice you if you get one though ;)


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By seraphim1982 on 11/2/2010 4:11:48 PM , Rating: 2
HAHA you are stating specific cases.....
90% of the time in situation you are describing "compatibility issues" is in a desktop where parts can be changed of switched....

Whereas in a laptop and the Macbook Air v2, these issues should have been clear prior to release. These are basically off the line model with NO customization. Thus you are saying a out of the PC should have problems like this... Most out of the box should have no problems pending a hardware failure, which is a component defect.
These issues are due to either poor quality control, bad pre release testers, or a defective part.

Don't make excuses up for Apple on a poor product launch....
Everyone has these, just Apple has been have a lot lately...
Bumpgate on Macbook & MBpros, Iphone4, and now this....


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By SAmely on 11/2/2010 4:26:49 PM , Rating: 2
If this was targeted at my original post, try not to misinterpret what I'm saying. I'm a PC user, but I repair both Macs and PCs. The intent of my post is covered in a post I made up above.


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By msheredy on 11/3/10, Rating: 0
RE: Can't have it both ways...
By Argon18 on 11/3/2010 12:11:45 PM , Rating: 1
No, if this was a peecee, it wouldn't even be news. Regular crashes are just business as usual for that crowd.


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By Cheesew1z69 on 11/4/2010 8:28:00 AM , Rating: 2
They are?


RE: Can't have it both ways...
By Wolfpup on 11/3/2010 2:22:58 PM , Rating: 2
Yup. I'm so sick of this hive-mind "APPLE JUST WORKS! APPLE HAS NO SECURITY FLAWS! APPLE IS EASIER TO USE!" nonsense you see thrown about.

Just sick of it. That is all LOL


Steve already told you...
By theArchMichael on 11/2/2010 3:04:14 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
I observed horizontal sparkling bands running up and down the screen


...It's "Magic".




RE: Steve already told you...
By Morgan3rd on 11/2/2010 3:18:49 PM , Rating: 2
...It's "Magic"

Omg I laughed so hard. *wipes away tears*


By The Imir of Groofunkistan on 11/2/2010 3:36:07 PM , Rating: 3
Here's a free case to fix that...not that the design is flawed.


By Performance Fanboi on 11/2/2010 3:43:21 PM , Rating: 2
OMGZZ!! The Twilight Mac!


RE: Steve already told you...
By AlexWade on 11/2/2010 4:59:11 PM , Rating: 2
You made me remember something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ECNb_tazHg


RE: Steve already told you...
By marvdmartian on 11/3/2010 9:14:15 AM , Rating: 1
sparkly magic, no less! must be why these things go for such a premium price, eh?


meh
By lolmuly on 11/2/2010 3:04:11 PM , Rating: 2
apple makes cr*p hardware/software, what else is new?




RE: meh
By Proxes on 11/2/2010 4:24:35 PM , Rating: 5
All the problems with new Apple products are the Foxconn employees' cry for help.


eh.
By raabscuttle on 11/2/2010 3:03:12 PM , Rating: 1
"You're typing on it wrong!"




RE: eh.
By dragonbif on 11/2/2010 3:17:27 PM , Rating: 3
No No its...

Your Screen Sharing wrong...and holding it wrong.

Your using it wrong.

Its not meant for porn, thats how its security works.

something like that anyway.


Better and better...
By Luticus on 11/2/2010 3:22:39 PM , Rating: 4
This just keeps getting better and better... Has anyone said "it just works" yet??

Soon we will see the death of smug, which is good because we don't need a smug storm like south park had. That looked like it sucked...

Well hopefully they get the issues fixed for those who bought into the platform early, though you know they'll be playing the denial card followed by making people sign contracts stating they won't discuss the issues they've been having, followed by the "you're using it wrong" and finally they'll issue a free itunes gift card or some BS as an "I'm sorry".

It's the same every time...

I can't stop imagining apple saying "Remember... the darker the bruise the more I love you".




This just in...
By overlandpark4me on 11/2/2010 8:30:30 PM , Rating: 4
Job's say's it's out fault. Evidently you have to hold it a certain way for it to work.




Your.........
By rocky12345 on 11/2/2010 9:35:51 PM , Rating: 4
Your Tilting the lid wrong & stopping at the wrong angle for the screen to work properly. This will most likely be what Mr Jobs will say in a press release.

Or

It's your fault not ours our products are magial




By Pirks on 11/2/2010 5:52:49 PM , Rating: 2
hehe




How can that be?
By masamasa on 11/2/2010 6:56:06 PM , Rating: 2
Apple's perfect...

Looks like the mudslingers are now the receiving end.




Why bother?
By Ristogod on 11/3/2010 1:36:12 AM , Rating: 2
Why bother even reporting Apple product deficiencies? Those of us with common sense don't buy their products anyways. And those that do, would still buy it if decapitated their children when used.




Guess what
By Tony Swash on 11/4/2010 6:17:23 AM , Rating: 2
Chris Foresman, in his review of the MacBook Air for Ars Technica:

quote:
We did find (quite by accident) that Apple may have more reasons behind not installing Flash by default other than the stated reason of ensuring that users always have the most up-to-date version. Having Flash installed can cut battery runtime considerably — as much as 33 percent in our testing. With a handful of websites loaded in Safari, Flash-based ads kept the CPU running far more than seemed necessary, and the best time I recorded with Flash installed was just 4 hours. After deleting Flash, however, the MacBook Air ran for 6:02 — with the exact same set of websites reloaded in Safari, and with static ads replacing the CPU-sucking Flash versions.




Well DUH!!
By ipay on 11/6/2010 2:42:10 PM , Rating: 2
Of course Apple put out a defective product. It's the new Steve Jobs trend. I think it's the beginning of the end for Apple!

http://TechReview.LIEconomy.com




By OBLAMA2009 on 11/6/2010 2:50:38 PM , Rating: 2
almost everything they put out has a serious defect. someone needs to make a list, i dont think theyve put out a clean product in some time




Apple
By RugMuch on 11/2/10, Rating: 0
A brief reality check
By Tony Swash on 11/3/10, Rating: -1
RE: A brief reality check
By themaster08 on 11/3/2010 9:34:09 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Apple computers, desktop and laptop, consistently top all surveys measuring customer satisfaction.

Apple consistently scores very high in all surveys of customer service.

These two factors partly explain why the sales of Macs have outgrown the computer market for 18 quarters in a row.

The new MacBook Air will sell very well in large numbers.

Apple's sales of Macs will almost certainly outgrow the computer market again this quarter. And the next.

Here is a question: What do people think Apple are up to in North Carolina?

http://www.maclife.com/article/news/apples_already...

Something big I suspect.
More digression from the one and only Mr. Swash.


RE: A brief reality check
By Pirks on 11/3/2010 10:15:54 AM , Rating: 1
Nah, just something magic and/or amazing


RE: A brief reality check
By KakarotUSMC on 11/3/2010 11:45:41 AM , Rating: 2
Pirks! Could it really be you? I haven't logged into DT for several months to make a comment, but when I saw your name, it inspired me.

Hope all is well with you.


RE: A brief reality check
By acer905 on 11/3/2010 4:01:55 PM , Rating: 1
Yup, all manufacturers "occasionally" make a buggy version. Apple however has shown its dedication to constantly making buggy versions. Otherwise we wouldn't see the exact same article after every single product release.

In fact, it's so easy to tell when a new Apple product has been released. You don't even need to look at their conferences, simply look for the article which details the ways which the new product is buggy.


RE: A brief reality check
By Tony Swash on 11/4/2010 10:10:18 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yup, all manufacturers "occasionally" make a buggy version. Apple however has shown its dedication to constantly making buggy versions. Otherwise we wouldn't see the exact same article after every single product release.


The reason there are so many articles about Apple is that everyone here, like everyone else, is deeply fascinated by Apple. The only difference about people around here is that they are too embarrassed to admit their obsession. Its the love that dare not speak it's name :)

I repeat agin the simple fact that Apple consistently comes top of all polls and surveys of customer satisfaction across it's product range. That's why Apple is so successful. It's not rocket science.


RE: A brief reality check
By themaster08 on 11/4/2010 10:28:47 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The reason there are so many articles about Apple is that everyone here, like everyone else, is deeply fascinated by Apple.
No. The reason there are so many Apple related articles is due to their lack of QC.

If other top companies such as Microsoft, Sony, HP, Google and so forth have QC issues with certain products you can guarantee an article will pop up on DT.

As for Apple, they seem to have a lot more QC issues than other companies that's why there's more articles. It's not rocket science.


RE: A brief reality check
By Tony Swash on 11/4/2010 11:57:25 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
No. The reason there are so many Apple related articles is due to their lack of QC.


What's you explanation for Apple consistently getting high customer satisfaction scores, mostly topping the polls?

Genuine question.

The reason I ask is that it is hard to square a claim that Apple has poor or below par quality control (and hence a significant or above average number of faulty products) with Apple's consistently high customer satisfaction ratings.


RE: A brief reality check
By themaster08 on 11/4/2010 2:49:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What's you explanation for Apple consistently getting high customer satisfaction scores, mostly topping the polls?
People like you.

Apple's demographic of extremists. Your blind support towards Apple. Mistakes they make are simply digressed by its overly loyal fanbase merely to force their own thoughts away from the real problem. "Oh they have the same problem as well so it's not just us" attitude. Supporting your expensive investment. You don't want to look/feel stupid after paying over £1000 for a device with issues.

PC users are an entirely different demographic entirely. If something they've bought is a wad of crap, they'll say so and buy something else. We're a fickle bunch, who purchase something we think suits our needs and budget, who will roast manufacturers that put out inferior products and praise those otherwise. For the most part, we're not loyal to any manufacturer which makes us unbiased and will tell the truth on satisfaction ratings.

Apple has made quite a few hiccups this year alone, more so than most other companies, and you're too blind to actually acknowledge any problems exist - problems that hinder the absolute fundamental and basic functions of their devices. Problems that wouldn't exist with the right QC.

It's as though most Apple users daren't admit that things are actually wrong with their devices. They prefer to throw a cloak of ignorance over their heads and forget it exists, or point the finger to someone or something else to make themselves feel better, rather than acknowledge the problem and buy from another manufacturer.


RE: A brief reality check
By Thorsen on 11/3/2010 4:37:18 PM , Rating: 2
yeah. They get a huge tax break by setting up shop in NC

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10256583-37.html

Also, I am glad you finally got a dose of reality. I would recommend continuing this medication.

Also.... I know the real reason you post in apple's defense even when they shouldn't be defended. you have stock in Apple and you don't want their rep hurt... This tech site must piss you off daily....


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