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Windows 8, Microsoft's upcoming successor to Windows 7, will launch in 2012 according to a leak from Microsoft Netherlands.  (Source: Oxenti)

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer insists that Windows 8 is his company's riskiest product, riskier even that its smart phone efforts. He would not say why, though.  (Source: Associated Press)
Microsoft tries to follow up its fastest selling operating system of all time

Windows 7 still has a ways to become the world's best selling operating system of all time, but it has already earned the distinction of being the fastest selling operating system ever.  That's a tough act to follow for Microsoft which is looking forward to its next operating system, even as it works on new Windows 7 updates and finishes phasing out Windows XP (which coincidentally was the best-selling OS of all time).

Some news has leaked out about the new operating system, which is rumored to be dubbed "Windows 8".  The first piece of news comes courtesy of Microsoft Netherlands, which posted the following announcement (translated using Google):

The phasing out of Windows XP, Microsoft is nearing completion. In July 2010, the support for Windows XP with Service Pack 2 stops. Today Microsoft will stop selling Windows XP to PC manufacturers and the aftermarket sales of Windows Vista. For Windows 7, Microsoft Service Pack 1. This service pack is still in the testing phase and is expected in the first half of next year available.The first update of Windows 7 is the new version of Windows Live Essentials ( became available in mid-June.  Furthermore, Microsoft is of course the next version of Windows. But it will take about two years before "Windows 8 on the market. The latest news about Windows is available at / blog 

The bolded sentence, according to Microsoft blog Windows 8 Beta, was in the article.  Microsoft appears to have swiftly removed it, and visiting the article on Monday, that sentence was no longer there.

A launch two years from now would place Windows 8 as launching in 2012.  Previously it was rumored that the operating system could launch as early as next year (2011).  It is still possible that Microsoft might get to testing the upcoming OS during next year.  And it's also possible that unintentional release of information was inaccurate.

More reliable, but more puzzling were comments by Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer on Windows 8.  Speaking to reporters at the Gartner Symposium, the outspoken executive reportedly called the upcoming OS the "riskiest" upcoming product from his company.  He failed to elaborate on what he meant by that.

It's pretty hard to believe that the upcoming OS could be riskier than Windows Phone 7, which follows up a poor showing in recent years by Windows Mobile 6/6.5.

One possibility could be a switch to a cloud-based operating system.  Microsoft has dabbled in cloud OS's with its Azure OS.  And Google's first personal computer operating system, Chrome OS, set to debut late this year or early next is a cloud-based OS as well.  Another possibility is perhaps an effort to consolidate software viability via a Windows Software Store (or something of that nature).  Apple made a similar move with its announcement that the App Store would soon vend Mac apps.

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RE: Doomed?
By Belard on 10/25/2010 1:23:30 PM , Rating: 0
Windows Vista was actually rather solid, most of the problems was the fact there was such a delay between Windows XP and Vista that when it was released there were no drivers, and the drivers that were available were buggy. And people just couldn't understand that Vista is supposed to be more taxing on your hardware! Hardware had progressed significantly in that time between XP and Vista.

That is nothing BUT poor excuses. period.

Vista, on new hardware when it first came out ran like garbage, crashed, locked up, required more resources. Sure XP has been around a long time - but there has been 6+ years of hardware advancement. XP wasn't that much of a killer to hardware in comparison. When Vista hit the market, we already had 4core CPUs.

With all the performance loss and features that had to be disabled to make it RUN good, Vista became a pointles & useless upgrade. So most of us STAYED with XP and were happy.

You'd be in a world of pain running Vista on a 1GB notebook. Same hardware that XP ran fine with... and Windows7 too. I ran Win7 on my notebook with 1GB and it was overall, more responsive, booted faster and properly wokeup and shut down than XP or vista.

Yes, Win7 is based off vista. But obviously more effort was given to the UI in how we interact, the system under the hood, memory management, etc. Vista will never be patched to be as good Win7.

Even today, with cheap memory - I run Win7 with 2GB RAM on my desktop. Only 1 game will tax my memory... but since I'm looking to upgrading to Bobcat soon - I might wait. Currently, I'm running 3 web browsers (web development - Opera is the browser I use), MS-Word, Notepad ++ (Awesome program, notepad is so 1995), Web editing tools, Photoshop, Filezilla, two explorer Windows, Video Converter running in the background and a few widgets and monitors.
I still have 800+MB RAM, available - on standby. With Vista, I'd be choking long before this and switching between apps would be sluggish. This is my typical usage and my PC goes to sleep and wakes up reliably. Meanwhile, plenty of us had issues of Vista going to sleep and sometimes not ever waking up.

That is why Vista sucked and never reached more than 24% market share and it got that high because vista was the only option HP, Dell and others sold to consumers. Meanwhile people who built their own PC or know how to get the business models would buy XP on their ThinkPads, etc.

Today, I know two people using Vista - nope, scratch that, one of them, notebook recently died. Most are on Win7 and a few are XP.

Vista and the MS Development team deserve all the flack they got and then some. When a company such as MS owns 90% of the computer industry - they at least better sell a good product, or at least one that works well. Win7 is far from elegant (under the hood), but its generally a very good user experience and that is where it counts.

RE: Doomed?
By Luticus on 10/25/2010 2:31:32 PM , Rating: 4
Vista, on new hardware when it first came out ran like garbage, crashed, locked up, required more resources

Frist computer i installed vista x64 (day one) on:
intel pentium 4 3.0ghz ht enabled
4gb ram
256 mb ati video card

vista ran just fine out of the box.

You'd be in a world of pain running Vista on a 1GB notebook

funny... my hp laptop:
intel core duo (NOT core 2 duo)
1 gb ram
integrated graphics

ran vista x86 utl day one release out of the box with no patches just fine WITH aero enabled and no special tweaks...

Yes, Win7 is based off vista. But obviously more effort was given to the UI in how we interact, the system under the hood, memory management

this is all true.

That is why Vista sucked and never reached more than 24% market share

Vista never reached more than a 24% market share because of simple misconceptions about it coupled with the fact that windows 7 a similar and yet highly superior os was "right around the corner" during the last year of vista's life as Microsoft's flagship product. anyone with a fully patched vista install running on hardware that isn't pre 2000 will tell you their machine is stable, quick, and has decent backwards compatability, and if they don't then they are obviously doing something wrong or have bad hardware. Vista might not have been perfect (and it wasn't) but it's definately not the pile of crap everyone seems to make it out to be. I liked xp before it was "cool" to like xp... xp was great, but now it's dated and we need to move on. Soon even windows 7 will share that fate.

RE: Doomed?
By Belard on 10/26/2010 5:04:38 AM , Rating: 2

Windows 7 forever!

RE: Doomed?
By Hoser McMoose on 10/25/2010 5:22:43 PM , Rating: 3
Today, I know two people using Vista - nope, scratch that, one of them, notebook recently died. Most are on Win7 and a few are XP.

I've been running Vista for about 3 years now and haven't encountered any of the problems you describe. I've also used Windows 7 and don't see much reason to upgrade.

Is Vista a memory hog? I certainly haven't seen many problems with it, but then again, I only paid about $50 for 4GB of memory, so it really wasn't a worry. It certainly has no problem keeping dozens of applications open at a time.

There are only two crashes I've noticed. First was that Vista pre-SP1, if newly installed on a computer with 4GB of memory, would crash during install. Stupid bug, never should have happened and the fix was available long before I installed it, but it's hard to install a fix before you have an OS installed.

The second crash I had was with Apple's x64 iPod driver. If I put my computer into suspend mode with an iPod plugged in and then subsequently unplugged that iPod, Apple's driver would crash on waking up. Fortunately Apple fixed their driver 2+ years ago.

Other than that it runs like a champ.

To each his or her own I suppose. I just don't see what all the fuss is about with Vista.

RE: Doomed?
By Danish1 on 10/26/2010 1:46:17 AM , Rating: 2
The fuss wasn't really about Vista itself which although far from perfect didn't really launch with an "excessive" amount of bugs, the problem was MS failing to secure driver support and that gave Vista the legacy it will never escape.

Launching an OS for which the worlds largest discrete graphics card manufacturer at the time (just to name the worst case) couldn't deliver a stable driver was simply a terrible decision.

RE: Doomed?
By Silver2k7 on 10/26/2010 4:45:21 AM , Rating: 2
Did run Vista pre SP1 and 32-bit.. and had a few problems.

But after running SP1 64-bit since its release still working fine ofc now with SP2 installed :-)

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