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Apple now owns 10.6 percent of the U.S. PC market

Detractors of Apple's Mac computers often point to the machines' relatively high price of entry and small market share when looking at the overall PC market (Microsoft still dominates thanks to a plethora of Windows-based machines). However, when compared to other PC manufacturers, Apple is doing quite well (at least in the United States).

The latest statistics from IDC show that Apple has now moved into third place for PC shipments in the U.S. Apple's shipments grew a whopping 24 percent for Q3, which gave Apple 10.6 percent of the market. Dell's shipments actually dropped 4.9 percent giving it a 23.1 percent share of the market, while HP's shipments increased 2.7 percent to give it 24.3 percent of the market and first place overall.

Acer and Toshiba took fourth place and fifth place respectively.

Even though HP and Dell each more than double Apple's U.S. market share, Apple has the high-end covered. Apple owns over 91 percent of the $1,000+ PC market which has helped to fuel its record revenue growth.

"Apple's influence on the PC market continues to grow, particularly in the U.S., as the company's iPad has had some negative impact on the mini-notebook market. But, the halo effect of the device also helped propel Mac sales and moved the company into the number three position in the U.S. market," said Bob O'Donnell, IDC's vice president for Clients and Displays.

When it comes to global sales, Apple doesn't even register in the top six. For Q3, the top global players were HP followed by Acer, Dell, Lenovo, ASUS and Toshiba.

"Despite a sluggish start, the quarter ended with a good rally in September which could be a good prelude for what is ahead," said IDC research analyst Jay Chou. "Lower PC component costs, budding excitement around new media-centric form factors and continued business buying should still make for a competitive holiday season.”

The good news on the Apple front comes on the same day that shares of the stock closed above $300 for the first time in the company's history.



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Here are some of the reasons they are gaining share
By sapiens74 on 10/13/2010 8:52:52 PM , Rating: -1
1. Go to an Apple retail store. Compare it to a local Best Buy or other computer store. Try order a Dell or HP online and the options are very confusing. Apple's limited selection makes it easy for the vast majority of purchasers.

2. The iMac and Macbook pro stand out amongst their PC counterparts as built tough and elegant and not just for functionality sake.

3. Price. All things considered, the base level Mac has everything needed out of the box. The PC may need additional software.

4. Support. All North American. Most people who have dealt with Dell or HP only complain that they have to speak to someone from India. Those of us who have Gold support with these companies know they have good technical support, but not to the average consumer. Apple treats them like VIP's.

5. Retail stores with training and support help bolster the image. One stop shop for all hardware and software questions. HP and Dell might point you to other vendors when issues arise.

Coming from a PC enthusiast background, I enjoy Apple products for these reasons and I believe many people are catching on that it's not about price or the latest hardware, but about the platform, support and value.

You may not agree, or like Apple, but there are plenty of alternatives to choose from




By zebrax2 on 10/13/2010 9:09:51 PM , Rating: 1
I'd take a guess that its more about the perception that Apple products are cool and that they get free advertisements from Movies and TV shows


By roadhog1974 on 10/13/2010 11:38:35 PM , Rating: 4
I very much doubt it is free.

I notice sony VAIO reasonably regularly.

computers != cool dosen't matter who makes it.

Presentation wise iMacs seem to present themselves better
in shops pc tends to be box + monitor plus cables
everywhere.


By quiksilvr on 10/14/2010 9:16:07 AM , Rating: 2
You do know that PC makers make All-in-One computers as well, right? See that's the nice part about it. If we want a box + monitor, we have a choice (both physically and financially) to do so if we wish.


By retrospooty on 10/13/2010 10:50:37 PM , Rating: 2
" Here are some of the reasons they are gaining share"

"Gaining share" can be easily manipulated. They may be increasing in US PC sales, but worldwide marketshare is stagnant at 5% and actually went down from 5.5% since Win7 was released.

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.as...


By chick0n on 10/13/2010 11:04:17 PM , Rating: 1
what are you talking about?

1. You can buy all prebuild PCs at any place. I agreed that Worst Buy is probably the worst place to buy just about anything but there is nothing confusing about buying prebuild Windows based computers. people are just stupid thats all.

2. Built tough ? how? you don't even need to drop a Mac to break it, it starts a fire on its own.

3. LOL? can you name some example ?

4. That is very true, but in the end they should blame themselves for asking "cheapest price ever". You get what you paid for. Apple on the other hand, has high mark ups so of course they can hire workers in the US.

5. See #4

Just wait until Apple gets bigger market share and issues will arise. Now people are just too blindfolded to see them.


RE: Here are some of the reasons they are gaining share
By B3an on 10/14/2010 2:45:54 AM , Rating: 2
4. Isn't true at all. Apple have some of the worst support. I've known people with overheating products and Apple have literally done nothing. Then theres the famous exploding products where they have not done anything about or will only offer a replacement if the person agree's to not tell anyone about it. It does not matter what country the tech support service is in if it's still a **** service.


By robinthakur on 10/14/2010 6:36:52 AM , Rating: 1
I would say that your 'evidence' is anecdotal in nature and not representative of most Apple owners experiences with their support which I have always found courteous, free-thinking and unscripted and helpful.

The only exception to this experience is having to book Genius appointments in Apple Stores in advance to return products for a swap out if they are defective, that is really dumb given that it is a store and not an office..! Still, the last time that happened, I managed to get seen after complaining to a manager and they were fairly good about it...


By marvdmartian on 10/14/2010 8:59:20 AM , Rating: 2
"You're holding it wrong."

Yeah.....GREAT support! (eye roll)

Now, who wants to bet that the ipad has more to do with their increasing market share, than anything else? Once the novelty wears off, let's see where their numbers sit.


By Alexstarfire on 10/14/2010 5:50:03 AM , Rating: 2
1. Ummm, it is easily confusing. It might not be confusing to you and I, but if you can't see how it can be confusing they you are just kidding yourself.

2. Yea, agree with you on that. PCs can be worse built or better build, just depends on what you get. Apple isn't special in this category.

3. I generally agree, but the problem is that MS basically isn't allowed to integrate anything into it's OS anymore while Apple has basically been exempt. It's a double standard that makes no sense.

4. I'd rather get service without going in if I could. Of course, desktop PCs can generally be fixed at home if needed where as most Macs can't, especially iMacs. That's the bad part about all-in-ones.

5. I actually hate their stores. Worst store I've been in TBH, except for one store where they had 1 employee running the whole thing (it was a PetSmart).


By robinthakur on 10/14/2010 6:48:49 AM , Rating: 1
Re:1, Most on here won't understand this point as they are techies and know what everything does. However they don't understand that the buying public use computers as tools not as play-things and they simply want a good looking appliance which works all the time without exception.

My mother calls me whenever Windows update pops up or the virus checker is updating thinking the pc has broken. This is after Vista has spent 10 minutes booting up and loading all its drivers (its running short of OS breathing room on the 30GB C Drive) Getting her a mac would mean a far more simple life, really.


By Luticus on 10/14/2010 8:30:04 AM , Rating: 2
Mac's do not boot instantly and are ~as quick to boot as vista / 7...

if a vista machine takes more than ~3 - 5 minutes to boot something is wrong with it.

most importantly macs still do software updates and i have a virus scanner on my work mac... only a fool wouldn't.

going off of what you said how in the world would a mac be "easier", if anything she'd have culture shock changing up interfaces and such.


By Pirks on 10/14/2010 10:50:03 AM , Rating: 3
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Getting her a mac would mean a far more simple life, really
getting her a $300 AMD based microATX box loaded with clean Win7 and MSE would mean even simpler life than with a Mac, trust me on that, I specialize on delivering such AMD boxes to my relatives who don't even know how to turn computer on, I do it for a couple of years now and there was never a case where Mac would be better for them, and now after Live Essentials 2011 are out and I can FINALLY connect to their machines at will whenever I want... life is a peach, peachest of peaches and all


By amanojaku on 10/13/2010 11:45:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
1. Go to an Apple retail store. Compare it to a local Best Buy or other computer store. Try order a Dell or HP online and the options are very confusing. Apple's limited selection makes it easy for the vast majority of purchasers.
In other words, the majority of people buying products are too stupid to shop around. Even without understanding computers, one could just copy the specs and look for a competing product at a lower cost. And I have yet to see anyone ask Apple to lower its prices considering the hardware is identical or inferior (spec-wise, definitely; quality-wise, usually).
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2. The iMac and Macbook pro stand out amongst their PC counterparts as built tough and elegant and not just for functionality sake.
I beg to differ. The Intel Macs are less sturdy than the PowerPC Macs; many of my coworkers, ex-coworkers and friends have Macs and they don't last as long as the HPs and Lenovos. As to the aesthetics, I think the bland silver styling is ugly. And Windows 7 looks better than OS X, in my opinion. But I would prefer if ALL operating systems supported replacement shells: I used to install Litestep back in the day.
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3. Price. All things considered, the base level Mac has everything needed out of the box. The PC may need additional software.
Define "everything". You get an OS, but you still need an office productivity suite (iWork won't cut it).

As to free software, when I had a Mac I refused to use Safari for anything other than downloading Firefox, Chrome, or Opera. I dropped iTunes a few years ago in favor of VLC; the VLC interface is crap, but it supports more CODECs and has less bloat.
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4. Support. All North American. Most people who have dealt with Dell or HP only complain that they have to speak to someone from India. Those of us who have Gold support with these companies know they have good technical support, but not to the average consumer. Apple treats them like VIP's.
I wouldn't know; my hardware has never failed under warranty, and I've never called MS in 20 years for anything other than product activation. My friends' Macs, on the other hand... OS crashes that require re-installs, SuperDrives failed, screens failed, keyboards failed, etc... I spent $800 on my box over six years, while my friends spent an average of $2,000 every two-three years on their Macs.
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5. Retail stores with training and support help bolster the image. One stop shop for all hardware and software questions. HP and Dell might point you to other vendors when issues arise.
That flies in the face of Apple's "it just works" philosophy. Clearly it doesn't "just work" if you need that much assistance. As you said, it's an image, not a reality.

Neither Dell nor HP point you to other vendors because they are trained by MS to support the OS on their hardware. System integrators like Dell and HP are trained and certified to provide complete support for 99% of all issues. They are generally unable to provide support for faulty drivers that come from 3rd parties, but they can do everything else. Apple doesn't support 3rd party software, either, because it doesn't get paid for it, so I don't see how it's different from other vendors.

Apple is a fad for people who want to impress you with how much money they spent. Fools and their money...


By StevoLincolnite on 10/14/2010 12:13:33 AM , Rating: 2
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I beg to differ. The Intel Macs are less sturdy than the PowerPC Macs


I concur, it's like comparing today's Macbook Air against an old Powerbook, I know which will be my weapon of choice to hit someone over the head with. (The ole' Powerbook.)

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I think the bland silver styling is ugly. And Windows 7 looks better than OS X, in my opinion. But I would prefer if ALL operating systems supported replacement shells: I used to install Litestep back in the day.


I've always thought this way as well, I would rather a nice large case, clear window, filled with LED's and cathodes, and a nice UV reactive water cooling system. - Looks helluva' lot better than another standardish looking box wrapped in aluminum foil in my opinion.


By robinthakur on 10/14/2010 7:00:13 AM , Rating: 2
I'm with you on the Powerbook, my G4 from 2004 is still going strong!!!

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I would rather a nice large case, clear window, filled with LED's and cathodes, and a nice UV reactive water cooling system. - Looks helluva' lot better than another standardish looking box wrapped in aluminum foil in my opinion


lol then the Mac is not for you, are you being serious? The only bit of the style disaster you omitted was a sound-reactive lighting system...although I might enjoy it on a technical level, it would mark me out as being a bit of a geek. Whilst I used to build my own PC's when I was in uni, I now just use a Macbook Pro and iPad pretty much. I'd like to say how ashamed I am to have bought into Apple, but in reality, life is simpler. Playing with the OS and tweaking it to run faster and play games is a far lower priority to me now than it used to be.

The only cases 'wrapped in aluminium foil' or spray painted silver are pc cases trying to look like Macs....in my experience


By StevoLincolnite on 10/14/2010 10:41:35 AM , Rating: 2
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The only bit of the style disaster you omitted was a sound-reactive lighting system...


Style. Hmm, just like how skinny jeans and over-sized sunnies are style? Then do count me out.

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Playing with the OS and tweaking it to run faster and play games is a far lower priority to me now than it used to be.


It's actually not that difficult, tweaking? Haven't done a single piece of that with Windows 7, generally just install the game and off I go... It's simple, fast, looks great.


RE: Here are some of the reasons they are gaining share
By ET on 10/14/2010 5:51:09 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
In other words, the majority of people buying products are too stupid to shop around. Even without understanding computers, one could just copy the specs and look for a competing product at a lower cost. And I have yet to see anyone ask Apple to lower its prices considering the hardware is identical or inferior (spec-wise, definitely; quality-wise, usually).


First of all, the point was completely unrelated to shopping around. It was related to the complexity of the sites. Faced with too much choice, most people tend to choose not to choose. It's a well known fact. Give people a limited choice and they'll make it.

As for specs, I think it's actually the people who do care about specs who are stupid. Those who care about them but don't understand them certainly are prone to make mistakes, and those who understand, the techies, typically spend unneeded money because of their obsession with specs. I'm one, I know I bought stuff that was overkill, and that's even though I buy mid-range stuff, not high end. Most lay people can make do with very limited hardware.


By CU on 10/14/2010 9:23:33 AM , Rating: 2
I tell most people to buy the cheapest Dell, HP, or whatever they can find on sale. Unless they have some specific use case in mind, games, htpc, etc. Spending over $400 dollars is pointless for most people. So, that means that all Macs are pointless for most people. Apple has almost all of its market share only because of the need for people to show off what they can buy.


By Iaiken on 10/14/2010 10:28:30 AM , Rating: 2
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I think it's actually the people who do care about specs who are stupid. Those who care about them but don't understand them certainly are prone to make mistakes, and those who understand, the techies, typically spend unneeded money because of their obsession with specs.


That entirely depends on what you do with it. I am a developer and a gamer and I routinely get all 4 physical cores cooking away at 100% usage for my own code. If I threw my code on a 6-core extreme edition, it would use every ounce of it.

If you're building a PC based purely on your desire to be able to rattle off your specs on every internet forum out there in an attempt to make your penis grow, well then I guess I could agree. However, if you're writing or running code that routinely pushes that hardware to it's limits, then every minute saved is a minute I can spend on something else.

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I'm one, I know I bought stuff that was overkill, and that's even though I buy mid-range stuff, not high end.


Woopdeedoo? I'm sorry you have buyers remorse, but the majority of people aren't you.

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Most lay people can make do with very limited hardware.


Look, the idea of good-enough computing has basically become a reality. For the vast majority of users, even a crappy dual core atom and an ION can basically suit the needs of the lay-user. It's snappy enough that there is no interface lag, browses the internet, runs office, can stream full motion video in 720i from the net or decode a 1080i blu-ray video seamlessly.

It all boils down to presentation and purchaser habits. Buying a PC is less expensive, but harder to do because the lay-user essentially drowns in a sea of specs. Buying a mac on the other hand is laughably easy, 6 form factors each with an extremely limited range of upgrades. It's easier to do, but it will cost you.

Upgrading an iMac from an i5-760 to an i7-870 costs you $200, actual retail price difference is: $70. That's an almost 300% markup on the upgrade cost, which is AFTER the massive markup on the i5-760 that it is replacing in the first place.

To quote the S-Job, "What? stupid people need computers too, only they gotta pay!"


RE: Here are some of the reasons they are gaining share
By Pirks on 10/14/2010 10:56:46 AM , Rating: 2
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Upgrading an iMac from an i5-760 to an i7-870 costs you $200, actual retail price difference is: $70. That's an almost 300% markup on the upgrade cost
Yeah like all the other PC manufacturers like Dell/HP don't do exactly the same. Double standard or you're just child-naive?


By Iaiken on 10/14/2010 2:29:20 PM , Rating: 1
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Yeah like all the other PC manufacturers like Dell/HP don't do exactly the same. Double standard or you're just child-naive?


Do you even bother to look up facts before you spout off with bullshit?

Dell: Upgrade from i5-760 to an i7-870 costs you at most $100 (42% markup). On some systems, it's actually a FREE upgrade (-100%).

HP: Upgrade from i5-760 to an i7-870 costs anywhere from $75 (+7%) to $150 (+215%).

Now tell me which of these markups is lower than 300%?

A) 42%
B) -100%
C) 7%
D) 215%
E) All of the above
F) None of the above

You really ARE a moron aren't you?


RE: Here are some of the reasons they are gaining share
By Pirks on 10/14/2010 2:45:12 PM , Rating: 2
Don't be an idiot, of course their markup is slightly lower because their systems are cheaper


By Iaiken on 10/14/2010 4:03:30 PM , Rating: 2
Way to back-peddle Pirks.

quote:
do exactly the same


Not only are they NOT exactly the same, they are often SIGNIFICANTLY lower. Often half the cost of the exact same upgrade.

Now I am all for ripping off stupid people and I actually applaud Apple for not only ripping people off, but leaving them happier for it. The old adage that "A fool and his money are soon parted." will be true so long as there are people with more money than brains.

However, if you value your money, Apple products are not for you. My wife was looking to replace her current 24" iMac with a Mac Pro. She doesn't actually need any Apple-specific software for her work so I priced her out a Windows 7 system with the same parts and a 1-week vacation for two in Florence, Italy for the same price as the Mac Pro she wanted. Guess what, we're going to Florence for our Anniversary. :P


RE: Here are some of the reasons they are gaining share
By Pirks on 10/14/2010 5:16:36 PM , Rating: 2
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they are often SIGNIFICANTLY lower
Try Sony :P
quote:
we're going to Florence for our Anniversary
Yeah no difference between PC and Mac indeed. I too can go to Florence with my wife if I choose self assembled PC over Sony. So what? You'll fail at shoveling Apple around for being "expensive" 'cause I have Sony that I will shovel around too for the same reason. Just give up :)))


By Iaiken on 10/14/2010 5:42:49 PM , Rating: 2
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I have Sony


Which is a convenient choice since they don't have any way for you to figure out configure their systems and see what upgrades cost.


By frobizzle on 10/14/2010 12:21:12 PM , Rating: 1
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The iMac and Macbook pro stand out amongst their PC counterparts as built tough and elegant and not just for functionality sake.

You're joking, right? A Lenovo Thinkpad is probably the best built laptop and makes the Apple iCrap and MacBarf look sick!

If we wanted to test that, we just need to give one of each to a low intellect gorilla. Is Pirks available for the task?


By Pirks on 10/14/2010 12:24:42 PM , Rating: 2
I'm available if you swallow.


By Iaiken on 10/14/2010 4:08:03 PM , Rating: 2
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A Lenovo Thinkpad is probably the best built laptop and makes the Apple iCrap and MacBarf look sick!


When I was in college, I dropped my Thinkpad down flight of marble stairs. Nothing broke, just some superficial scratches and it booted up just fine. In fact, one of my friends still has that laptop after a memory and HDD upgrade.


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