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HTC's upcoming Desire HD will be one of the top handsets on the market in terms of hardware specs.  (Source: HTC)
The HTC EVO and other smart phones are selling at a frenzied pace

Taiwanese phonemaker HTC Corporation released a relatively short earnings report, but that was just fine as the numbers spoke for themselves.  Profit on a year-to-year basis had soared from T$5.695B (approximately $184.54M USD at current exchange rates) to T$11.1B ($359.68M USD).

That figure handsomely trumped the consensus analyst estimate of T$8.7B by Thomson Reuters I/B/E/S. The company also raked in T$75.85B ($2.458B USD) in revenue, up from T$33.81B ($1.096B USD) a year prior.

HTC's stock rose around 3% percent on the strong earnings report, and is currently at T$719.00/share.

The outlook seems rosy for HTC.  Despite facing increased Android competition from the likes of Samsung, Motorola, and Dell, the company has the benefit of being on what appears to be the winning team in the smartphone war and is poised to stay competitive.  The company in September announced two upcoming models.  Comments Steven Tseng, an analyst at RBS in Taipei, "Investors are comfortable with HTC's status in the Android market.  HTC will keep a stable position, even if it is not a leader in the sector."

The first phone, the HTC Ace (aka the HTC Desire HD), is an ultra high-end smartphone (1 GHz Qualcomm Scorpion CPU, Adreno 205 GPU, 768 MB of DRAM, and an 8-megapixel camera) with 4.3-inch SuperLCD screen.  The RAM is particularly impressive, and should allow for speedy app performance.

The second recently announced phone is the HTC Desire Z, a slider version of the popular Desire model.  While featuring less than high-end specs, it may still sell pretty well given that its hardware is superior to most of its slider competition.

HTC is also poised to capitalize on Microsoft's upcoming Windows Phone 7 operating system.  While Windows Mobile has been much maligned, there is actually significant excitement surrounding WP7, and HTC is hoping to translate that excitement into continued sales growth.  Sources indicate that it plans on having handsets ready at launch later this month.

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Three Words
By acer905 on 10/6/2010 12:18:12 PM , Rating: 4
Suck It Tony!

RE: Three Words
By theapparition on 10/6/2010 12:59:02 PM , Rating: 5
Today's gems from Mr. Swash:
The hand set makers, except for RIM, are making hardly any money, and they are (like Apple and Google) businesses and so must make money.

Apple continues to make simply enourmous profits on its phone business and almost every other phone maker totters along on tiny profits.

Personally if I was forced to predict the likely shape of the smart phone market in three years......

You can't even get the next 12hrs of the phone market right. LOL.

I know one datapoint does not make a trend, but I could go back a year and see how you mentioned many times that Android had no chance against the iOS machine, kinda like Ballmer's ridiculous comments.

Your otherwise intelligent ramblings would be somewhat more palatable were it not for your obvious bias and Steve's stink still fresh on your nose.

RE: Three Words
By Motoman on 10/6/2010 4:34:56 PM , Rating: 5
Facts and reality are unimportant to Apple consumers.

RE: Three Words
By chrish89 on 10/6/2010 6:58:53 PM , Rating: 4
Yeah ALL Apple consumers are complete retards. Thank god for the superior Android a$$holes.

RE: Three Words
By chick0n on 10/6/10, Rating: 0
By sprockkets on 10/6/10, Rating: 0
RE: haha
By priusone on 10/6/2010 3:15:59 PM , Rating: 2
Gotta love how apple fanboys forget that Android is based off linux and is NOT a Microsoft communistic OS. I guess from Apples point of view, any software that can run on virtually any smartphone is evil.

Company A (OS) + Company B (hardware) = bad bad bad.
Company A (OS) + Company A (hardware) = good

Oh, how I would love to see a video similar to the one Apple did in the 80's, but instead have a picture of Android on the big screen. Yeah, that would show the whole world how evil Android truly is.

RE: haha
By Pirks on 10/6/2010 3:25:03 PM , Rating: 4
Microsoft communistic OS
LOLOL :))) Are you nuts??

Me likely
By Spuke on 10/6/2010 12:22:11 PM , Rating: 2
Love that screen!

Bonus points
By rdeegvainl on 10/6/2010 5:04:52 PM , Rating: 2
Google now has now shown that, not only do customers want android systems, that it is profitable for companies to use their platform on their phones. This will probable only increase the development of new android systems, regardless of peoples personal opinions.
Aimed at all the corporate nay-sayers from MS and Apple alike.

By rcc on 10/6/2010 6:14:52 PM , Rating: 2
So, HTC, and Google through Android, are making profits. Doesn't that automagically make them eeeeeviiiiiiil?

I'm just curious, cuz the pet semi-open OS is making money, which according to many folks today equates to evil corporation, etc., etc..

Don't get me wrong, I own a Droid Incredible and think it's great (or perhaps, um, incredible?). I just like to watch people try to justify profits on products they like, and demonize those on products they don't.

By tjr508 on 10/6/2010 10:25:20 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't call this a good time to invest in HTC. Being that all Android phones of the same generation are essentially the same, competition should scale profits down to the levels of DRAM. That is, unless some crazy illegal backdoor deals are being made with the carriers.

With near-zero market differentiation, I don't see how HTC can remain a profitable company if they continue to focus on Android-based phones.

Uh oh!
By masamasa on 10/6/2010 1:25:02 PM , Rating: 1
More Apple lawsuits to come.

By SunAngel on 10/6/10, Rating: -1
RE: Trumps?
By bplewis24 on 10/6/2010 12:27:56 PM , Rating: 3
If you think iOS trumps Android, well...then you probably believe in very simple concepts like interface always trumping hardware.

I'll bet you that's why iPhone 3G owners had to revert back to iOS 3.1.3 ;)


RE: Trumps?
By Exodite on 10/6/2010 12:30:08 PM , Rating: 2
Except that this very article stomps all over your idea of 'trumping', just saying.

RE: Trumps?
By superPC on 10/6/2010 12:37:56 PM , Rating: 5
liberty trumps totality aka android trumps iOS.

RE: Trumps?
By Pirks on 10/6/2010 2:36:11 PM , Rating: 1
liberty trumps totality
Stallman, GTFO!

RE: Trumps?
By nafhan on 10/6/2010 12:54:05 PM , Rating: 2
Your opinion on interface does not trump everyone else's. So therefore your statement applies to you, and those who share your opinions, only.
If you're wondering, there's apparently a lot of people who don't share your opinion...

RE: Trumps?
By Gio6518 on 10/6/2010 1:00:46 PM , Rating: 3
Based on what, iOS 4 was rated almost comparable to Android 2.1 with 2.2 IT CHEWED it up and swallows it then $h!ts it out, and considering that well let's say EVO, beat the iPhone 4 in basically ever test with Android 2.1 and that HTC sense is amazing. iPhone 4 only won in screen. I'm more than willing to have my 4.3 inch screen over that puny 3.5 any day.

RE: Trumps?
By Pirks on 10/6/10, Rating: -1
RE: Trumps?
By Pirks on 10/6/10, Rating: -1
RE: Trumps?
By eskimospy on 10/6/2010 2:48:46 PM , Rating: 2
It's pretty interesting watching you, Tony, and our dear departed friend reader1 back into smaller and smaller corners trying to say that the Iphone is still better, all in the face of ever increasing Android dominance.

I'll give you credit though, you seem to be taking it better than Tony (who seems on his way to a meltdown), and reader1 (who appears to have leaped off a bridge).

RE: Trumps?
By Pirks on 10/6/2010 2:56:10 PM , Rating: 1
Please explain why should I be afraid of Android dominance? If Windows dominance did jack to stop Apple, why would I bother with Google now, huh?

RE: Trumps?
By bplewis24 on 10/6/2010 3:02:52 PM , Rating: 2
Because it continues to disprove nearly every sentence of unintelligible and illogical nonsense you've posted and further makes you look like a biased fanboy? Just a thought.


RE: Trumps?
By Pirks on 10/6/2010 3:08:23 PM , Rating: 2
just empty words, no proof, I can also call your post nonsense and stuff, so what?

RE: Trumps?
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/6/2010 3:14:43 PM , Rating: 2
The proof is in your, really?

RE: Trumps?
By Pirks on 10/6/10, Rating: 0
RE: Trumps?
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/6/2010 3:22:34 PM , Rating: 1
you are an idiot, your post's prove this day in and day out. yes, i know you will repeat what i said here, or do your normal bullshit, and that's ok, because we all know you are a idiot.

RE: Trumps?
By Pirks on 10/6/10, Rating: 0
RE: Trumps?
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/6/2010 3:42:20 PM , Rating: 2
once again, proving my point, thanks.

RE: Trumps?
By Pirks on 10/6/10, Rating: 0
RE: Trumps?
By eskimospy on 10/6/2010 3:26:00 PM , Rating: 2
Windows dominance contributed to the effective bankruptcy of Apple in the 1990s. You should probably be afraid of Android dominance for the same reasons Apple is. (and if you think they aren't, you're a fool)

RE: Trumps?
By Pirks on 10/6/2010 3:41:43 PM , Rating: 1
Windows dominance contributed to the effective bankruptcy of Apple in the 1990s
How come then that Apple rose from the ashes and leapfrogged MS to become one of the biggest high tech corporations, all while Windows was still dominating everything?

RE: Trumps?
By Gio6518 on 10/6/2010 4:49:39 PM , Rating: 2
How come then that Apple rose from the ashes and leapfrogged MS to become one of the biggest high tech corporations, all while Windows was still dominating everything?

one word iPod

cant really say leapfrogged MS, their still dominant in the Computer World, Apple definetely in the mobile area. Gaming their doing well with the 360, what did Apple contribute to the gaming world...I know its old...

RE: Trumps?
By Pirks on 10/6/2010 5:10:55 PM , Rating: 1
cant really say leapfrogged MS
check out their market cap :P
one word iPod
this word is reason why Apple doesn't give a shit about Google or MS, and why I do the same about Android.

by the time these guys catch up Apple will be cashing in BIG on yet another new market, tablets shmablets or what not

RE: Trumps?
By gamerk2 on 10/7/2010 11:23:11 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, but in terms of Revenue, its not even close. Nice way to cherry-pick data though.

RE: Trumps?
By acer905 on 10/6/2010 4:52:07 PM , Rating: 2
leapfrogged MS

... Now that is pure and utter crap. Apple had a revenue of $42.91 Billion for 09, while Microsoft had $62.484 Billion, clearly MS is still greater. Oh, but the profits you might say, hollowly echoing Tony, Well, same time frame, Apple: $8.24 Billion, MS: $18.76 Billion. Again, MS is still bigger. What about Total Assets? Apple: $47.5 Billion, MS: $86.113 Billion. Face it, MS is still twice the company that Apple is. Even employees match that assessment. (Apple: 34,300, MS: 89,000)

In fact, the only metric which could show Apple as better is in individual stock price (Apple: $289.19, MS: 24.43), however, considering the fact that there is 9.5 times as many shares of MS stock than Apple... 24.43*9.5=231.41. Not quite as ridiculously high as Apple, but that just means that average people could actually invest in MS if they wanted to, without a high entry price. Which, considering the change for today in the market, (Apple: +0.09%, MS: +0.33%) investors would be better off with MS, making it the better company.

RE: Trumps?
By Pirks on 10/6/2010 5:07:18 PM , Rating: 1
acer905, why are you so afraid to mention Apple's market cap, huh? ;)

RE: Trumps?
By chrish89 on 10/6/2010 5:38:13 PM , Rating: 2
Apple 264.19B
Microsoft 211.41B
Google 170.6B
HTC 19.1B (US Currency)

RE: Trumps?
By acer905 on 10/6/2010 5:53:22 PM , Rating: 2
Market Cap = Share Price x # Outstanding Stock. IT is entirely pointless to add such a value to my comment, because I already related the two on that metric. I mentioned the difference in # Outstanding Stock between the two, and the share price for each. From that you can compare. Do as i did, multiply the share price of the one with the higher # Outstanding Stock, by the actual difference in # Outstanding Stock, and the two are instantly on the same playing field.

Apple: $289.19 per equalized share
MS: $231.41 per equalized share

Both numbers were posted, and the difference commented upon. Would it really do anything to also say:

Apple: $264,193,283,970
MS: $211,406,641,810


289.19/231.41 = 1.2496867

1.2496867*211,406,641,810 = 264,192,069,249.53

By comparing their equalized share prices, i made discussing the Market Cap irrelevant and redundant. Your post only makes you seem quite ignorant of finances.

RE: Trumps?
By Pirks on 10/6/2010 5:58:35 PM , Rating: 1
i made discussing the Market Cap irrelevant and redundant
because Apple's one is bigger huh? ;)

RE: Trumps?
By acer905 on 10/6/2010 6:19:20 PM , Rating: 2
No, because I already pointed it out. How hard is that for you to understand? I said:
In fact, the only metric which could show Apple as better is in individual stock price (Apple: $289.19, MS: 24.43), however, considering the fact that there is 9.5 times as many shares of MS stock than Apple... 24.43*9.5=231.41 Not quite as ridiculously high as Apple...

Are you sad that i didn't originally use the term? or that because it is the only way that one could think that Apple is better, and in my comparison i didn't DIRECTLY say that Apple was better, instead saying that it was "Not quite as ridiculously high as Apple"

RE: Trumps?
By Pirks on 10/7/2010 9:22:18 AM , Rating: 2
Not quite as ridiculously high as Apple
Hence my use of expression "leapfrogged MS", glad you understood at last

RE: Trumps?
By eskimospy on 10/6/2010 7:30:07 PM , Rating: 2
You should probably quit while you're less far behind.

RE: Trumps?
By atlmann10 on 10/7/2010 2:00:44 AM , Rating: 2
And much as the PC (with Microsoft's Windows OS) left IBMs and Apples coughing in the dust in the 1980s, today in the 2010s Google's Android OS is similarly leaving behind Research in Motion and Apple.

According to the Nielsen Company, Google's U.S. market share has continued to soar, with Android hitting 32 percent of new purchases in August, as Apple's iPhone iOS has dipped to 25 percent and RIM has risen ever-so-slightly to 26 percent. Just a month prior (in July), the firm showed the various competitors virtually neck-and-neck when it came to new purchases, with Google holding 28 percent, Apple holding 26 percent, and RIM holding 25 percent.

RE: Trumps?
By nikon133 on 10/6/2010 5:16:21 PM , Rating: 2

RE: Trumps?
By Helbore on 10/7/2010 2:20:41 PM , Rating: 2
Some bigwigs with lots of money kept them alive, they managed to get Steve Jobs to come back and they got damned lucky on the iPod.

Apple wasn't shrewd or clever in surviving their near-bankruptcy. They were lucky that they managed to corner an emerging market almost completely. I doubt even Apple realised how the iPod would turn them around.

I will say that they were shrewd with the release of the iPhone, though. They clearly saw that smartphones were likely to kill off (or at least severley reduce) the PMP market. They HAD to release the iPhone, or watch their only real revenue stream dry up.

THey've managed to maintain their profitability, but you are mad if you think they are not concerned about the sudden rise of Android. They know if it continues to eat into their market, then they're back in trouble.

The Mac line is never going to keep Apple going. They need the IOS devices and their market. The difference is that the mobile device market has proven itself to be far more volitile than most. See how many market leaders have risen to great heights, only to plummet down and find themselves languishing behind the new kid on the block.

Apple knows this well; they did it to RIM and Microsoft after all. They are fully aware that Android's rise could mean their downfall. But unlike RIM (who have their solid enterprise market) and Microsoft (who's mobile offerings were second-fiddle to the powerhouse Windows/Office moneyspinners), Apple have little to fall back on.

They don't have a reputation in the enterprise market that will maintain sales. They don't have another big cash-cow supporting them. This is their cash-cow and its supported by the most unpredicatlbe of markets - that of "what is most trendy."

Apple have a lot at stake. I'm not saying they're going to go belly-up or that they don't have plans to maintain their market. But anyone eho thinks they're not concerned about a big competitor chipping away at their most profitable market has their hands over their eyes. They certainly won't maintain profitability if they are not concerned.

RE: Trumps?
By Gio6518 on 10/6/2010 4:17:13 PM , Rating: 3
-1 here I come baby :)))

LOL on your -1 saying

I was talking about the EVO, but you did make a point about the bloatware,you posted somewhere else, you do need to disable some of the HTC goodies (same with other phones) you dont use at least with 2.1, 2.2 put in a task manager that shuts down useless tasks, and with the EVO's latest release maybe a week or so ago, the removed the 30 fps. cap, so it is super smooth. Not sure on the Droid X (not a Motorola fan and the Galaxy S got a update that fixed a few things that were a major drain on resources, and soon to get 2.2 Froyo). I do know how to properly tweak the OS so i never had hesitation.

I dont necessarily want to see the iPhone die off, it fuels competition, and companies strive to create better products, but sometimes people have to face facts. Tech companies make mistakes but then recover from them.

RE: Trumps?
By Gungel on 10/6/10, Rating: 0
"A lot of people pay zero for the cellphone ... That's what it's worth." -- Apple Chief Operating Officer Timothy Cook

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