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The list of things that Windows Phone 7 can't do grows

Windows Phone 7 is shaping up to be more memorable for the features that it lacks rather than what new functionality that it brings to the table. The latest feature to be dropped from Windows Phone 7's spec sheet is tethering.

Some sites were reporting earlier in the week that the mobile operating system would support tethering due to comments made by Brandon Watson, Director of Windows Phone 7. However, a Microsoft spokesman contacted Boy Genius Report today to state that Watson was mistaken and that “Windows Phone 7 does not support tethering."

Microsoft's next generation mobile operating system, which recently went RTM, also lacks copy/paste and third-party multitasking. Both were features that Apple was long criticized for when the original iPhone launched in 2007. It wasn't until 2009 that the iPhone received copy/paste functionality, while full multitasking and tethering (in the U.S.) didn't show up until this year.

Microsoft's first iteration of Windows Phone 7 appears to be seriously lacking when it comes to basic smartphone functionality, but Microsoft still has time to add features at a later time. Microsoft has stated in the past that it wanted to make sure that the initial release of Windows Phone 7 was near perfect, and that things like copy/paste and multitasking could wait until a later date (possibly v7.5).

However, Microsoft has stiff competition in the smartphone market given dominate players like RIM, Apple and Google. Apple's iPhone has taken a nice chunk out of smartphone sales globally, and Google's Android operating system is dominating the sales charts in the United States -- Microsoft can't afford to be conservative this time around.

Despite Windows Phone 7's shortcomings and the presence of stiff competition, Microsoft has still boldly predicted that its latest mobile OS will crush the competition. The boys from Redmond held a mock funeral for the iPhone and BlackBerry earlier this month complete with caskets.



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RE: Not Good Enough
By mcnabney on 9/24/2010 3:23:52 PM , Rating: 2
Windows Phone 7 lacks:
Copy/paste
Multitasking
Side loading (EVERYTHING must go through MS, oh joy)
Native code support is absent (for now)
No file system (leaving categorization to Apps only)
Tethering
Backwards compatibility
No Skype (or any VoIP)
No Flash, HTML5, or Silverlight
Very limited VPN support
No CDMA until 1Q2011

Ugh, just what does the new platform do that would make anyone want to buy it?


RE: Not Good Enough
By solarrocker on 9/24/2010 4:19:05 PM , Rating: 3
It shows a windows logo? Maybe, but only in 2d..

Also you can call.... I think, but that might be a feature they going to put in with version 1.5 if they go anymore backwards that is.


RE: Not Good Enough
By ResStellarum on 9/24/2010 9:22:40 PM , Rating: 3
So true. MS slaps a windows logo on it and expects it to sell like hot cakes. Considering android is infinitely more popular and it's free, I don't know why on earth any hardware manufacturers would support yet another doomed microsoft phone platform.


RE: Not Good Enough
By tastyratz on 9/26/2010 8:41:06 AM , Rating: 3
whoa phone calls? you can call with it? do people still do that with phones? Surely you must be mistaken.


RE: Not Good Enough
By Da W on 9/24/2010 5:07:48 PM , Rating: 2
Cause not every one is a geek. About 1% of iphone users i know knows what multitasking or tethering means.

True it would have been fun to have tethering, but i didn't expect it. The best way to do it is to get an android device, and still, not many have updated to froyo yet.

On my god! What did i just say? Most android phone don't have tethering ro wi-fi hotspot ability yet? It's only gonna come later??? OH NO!!! WHY would anybody but an android phone?

Seriously, go try out a zune HD, you'll see why windows phone may be cool.


RE: Not Good Enough
By mcnabney on 9/24/2010 7:28:59 PM , Rating: 2
You know 100 iPhone users?

Droid X just moved to Froyo. The only one left on Verizon is Ally, which is supposed to be soon.

My main point was that tethering is one of numerous shortcomings. If a company plans on launching a product a year late to market, they better make sure it is done and competitive. The ZunePhone was kicked out the door with half of its features missing. The tired excuse of "we'll fix it later" isn't going to fly. It isn't like they are promising future improvements that nobody has. They are promising future improvements TO CATCH UP. Only Apple can play that kind of game.

I wonder if ZunePhone will also offer a RRoD? That is a MS trademark feature!


RE: Not Good Enough
By Alexvrb on 9/24/2010 8:56:47 PM , Rating: 1
"Ugh, just what does the new platform do that would make anyone want to buy it? "

The iPhone STILL lacks a lot of those features. It sells just fine. Would you rather they throw in every feature everyone wants, to the detriment of the more important features and basic functionality?


RE: Not Good Enough
By bodar on 9/24/2010 9:04:21 PM , Rating: 2
Right, but iOS is not the underdog here. On what front does it expect to compete? Clearly not features, Android beats it there. Ease of use and "cool" factor are Apple's bread and butter, so good luck there. I'll reserve judgment til I see the phone for myself, but Microsoft has its work cut out for it. I love my Zune HD, but the Win7 home screen just looks awful, IMO.


RE: Not Good Enough
By theapparition on 9/27/2010 8:19:59 AM , Rating: 3
Yep,
Cracked me up when the article mentioned that the iPhone supported true Multitasking. Really? When did that happen, rather than the half multitasking thing that they try to acomplish now.

But back on topic, I think MS is trying to hard to emulate the iPhone business model. That only works for Apple, and if they just have an also-ran, then why would someone pass up an iPhone for a Win7mo phone? Kinda like how legions of people gave up thier iPods for Zunes. Oh wait, that never happened. Shame too, because the ZuneHD is the superiour platform, just not that much better to cause people to switch from what they are used to.


RE: Not Good Enough
By Da W on 9/27/2010 6:55:46 AM , Rating: 1
What WP7 have
1) Usability. I like it far better than the icon-apps way on the two others.
2) Cool music player. I cannot describe it, apple's ipod just seems ages behind.
2.5) If you're a windows user you don't have to use that shitty itune piece of junk.
3) Zune pass, rent unlimited for 15$ a month.
4) Xbox live connection, and a garantee there will be a lot of games.
5) E-Z to program for, uses Silverlight and XNA, there are a lot of programmers used to that.
6) Hardware is no problem, every cool android hardware is gonna hace its WP7 version.


RE: Not Good Enough
By mcnabney on 9/27/2010 9:49:06 AM , Rating: 2
SO...
1. It acts like a Zune
2. It acts like a Zune
2.5. I hate Apple
3. It also has an monthly service feature.
4. Xbox Live - guarantees nothing
5. Far more used to Flash
6. Me too

I still don't see a compelling reason. Something new and desireable is clearly missing for a late market arrival. The only thing that they could do to be competitive to Android would be to come out in the same model with a lower price. Somehow, I don't see that happening. Is MS still charging $50 per license? If they do you can expect equipment manufactures to price the MS phones higher than the Android phones for the same equipment.


RE: Not Good Enough
By bodar on 9/24/2010 9:14:35 PM , Rating: 2
Yet any Android user can download PDAnet and tether their laptop with their charging cable or even Bluetooth. Yeah, some people may not know what it is, but it's one of those features that make people say, "oh sweet, gimme!" when they find out.

Froyo adoption is about 28% right now, not including the update for Droid X that came out a few days ago and all Galaxy S phones still not available yet.


RE: Not Good Enough
By jezzza234 on 9/24/2010 5:13:57 PM , Rating: 3
Erm Silverlight definitely IS supported, since its the engine for development. Its Silverlight for the mobile apps and XNA for games.


RE: Not Good Enough
By B3an on 9/24/2010 11:09:56 PM , Rating: 2
You're correct, and any fool should know this as it's a big part of the OS, yet that poster gets up rated.

I also read ages ago that Flash was confirmed by Adobe and Microsoft back in March/April.


RE: Not Good Enough
By Gholam on 9/26/2010 2:33:41 AM , Rating: 2
Silverlight is the framework for apps, yet there is no Silverlight plugin support in the native browser. Go figure.


RE: Not Good Enough
By inperfectdarkness on 9/25/2010 11:51:44 AM , Rating: 2
it just makes the "funeral" that MS just held for its competition that much funnier; because MS is full of epic fail.


RE: Not Good Enough
By drycrust3 on 9/25/2010 2:04:54 PM , Rating: 2
When I heard about the funeral thoughts of Hitler toasting the defeat of the Russians at Stalingrad came to mind, especially as he was toasting their defeat just before the Russians launched their counter-attack.
Microsoft doesn't have a product that no one else has, or a product that is equal to what others have but they can market it better, or a product which is slightly inferior but they can supply it cheaper, which was what happened in the past.
Instead they will have a product for sale while their competition already is supplying cheaper; they have a product that is holding back manufacturers, but their competition is on hardware that is selling in huge numbers; they have a product that is perceived as inferior and costs more; and they have a product that is crawling to a launch date while their competitors have done several major upgrades.
My guess is by the time they launch they will have pretty well missed the boat for tablets as well.
Shortly after that, they will have to devote huge resources to dealing with a rising tide of malware, which will push users into running other OSes that are much more malware resistant.


RE: Not Good Enough
By bill4 on 9/26/10, Rating: -1
RE: Not Good Enough
By Mitch101 on 9/25/2010 12:50:49 PM , Rating: 1
Windows Phone 7 lacks? Are you sure? You havent tried one. Much like people who tell everyone how bad the zune is but then when they try it they realize its pretty damn good.

Copy/paste - Easy enough to add. The iPhone didnt have it for ages and people still managed fine. Sure it will be added.

Multitasking - It does multitask the important core apps and not everything needs it.

Side loading (EVERYTHING must go through MS, oh joy) - While I dont have a mobile 7 device there is an option in the development tools to use the device to test with instead of using the emulator. There are a lot of Zune HD applications and games that sideload into a Zune HD and It appears mobile 7 possibly can as well.

Native code support is absent (for now) - Dont care its not an open os and they give you plenty of development tools.

No file system (leaving categorization to Apps only) - Doesnt seem to effect any developer you have access to files like pictures etc from developed apps. Opening the file system potentially opens it up to hackers and viruses which is why were probably seeing droid get some so early.

Tethering - Again most are locked from the carrier but unlocked through applications.

Backwards compatibility - Haivng to support the dying mobile device platform would put Microsoft at a disadvantage to Droid and iPhone its the exact reason the Window Mobile market was dying. They had to start fresh. If you need legacy support buy a $40.00 GPS they run the old Window CE OS.

No Skype (or any VoIP) - These are generally carrier reasons like iPhone denied it because AT&T wanted you to use your minutes. Take up the issue with the carrier. iPhone would prefer to sell devices and care less where you get your service from.

No Flash, HTML5, or Silverlight - Flash is horrendous on an iPhone, Next to no one is using HTML5 still most companies are still using IE6 sucks I agree, Silverlight is part of development for the Mobile 7 device how did you miss that?

Very limited VPN support - Can be resolved in an app but thsts more of a corporate request.

No CDMA until 1Q2011 - Phone Carrier design issue nothing to do with the OS.


RE: Not Good Enough
By B3an on 9/25/2010 1:54:46 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Flash is horrendous on an iPhone


...Flash is not available on the iPhone.
Funny how you missed out android 2.2 though which happens to run Flash perfectly fine... and it's a big thing if this wasn't to be supported on Win7 Phone, because of the millions of free games, applications and websites that use it. One of the biggest google search terms for iPhone users is "Flash Player".

Not an issue though... because Flash will be on Win7 Phone. As i mentioned right above.


RE: Not Good Enough
By Gholam on 9/26/2010 2:46:02 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Copy/paste - Easy enough to add. The iPhone didnt have it for ages and people still managed fine. Sure it will be added.


Question is, when? It took Apple years to add it, how long will it take Microsoft?

quote:
Multitasking - It does multitask the important core apps and not everything needs it.


How about letting the users decide who needs it and who doesn't? But we'll come back to it.

quote:
Native code support is absent (for now) - Dont care its not an open os and they give you plenty of development tools.


There's quite a bit of stuff that can't be done in Silverlight/XNA due to platform limitations.

quote:
Tethering - Again most are locked from the carrier but unlocked through applications.


...and on WP7, without native support, impossible to implement due to platform limitations that have nothing to do with carriers.

quote:
No Skype (or any VoIP) - These are generally carrier reasons like iPhone denied it because AT&T wanted you to use your minutes. Take up the issue with the carrier. iPhone would prefer to sell devices and care less where you get your service from.


Again, nothing to do with carriers. Silverlight doesn't do sockets, so VOIP is impossible.

quote:
Very limited VPN support - Can be resolved in an app but thsts more of a corporate request.


No it can't; as there is no multitasking or sockets. Even if you could make a VPN client for WP7, it'd be useless, as you wouldn't be able to actually do anything while it's active, or you'd break the connection.

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I'm a current WM6.1 user, and was looking forward to switching to WP7 when it comes out, but the long list of missing features - lack of tethering being the proverbial straw - has pushed me into the Android camp. Looks like I'll be getting a Milestone 2 or a Desire Z, whichever first becomes available in my country.


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