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This chart demonstrates just how slow some of Apple's users are.  (Source: Loyalytics)

The study looked at upgrade rates for the iPhone 3GS (left) and the Android-powered Motorola Droid (right).  (Source: DailyMobile)
Android is handily beating iOS in terms of upgrade rates, making life easier for its developers

Market researchers at Localytics looked at the Apple iPhone 3GS and Motorola Droid and upgrade rates to the latest respective OS versions -- iOS 4.0 and Android 2.2 "Froyo"  -- over their first two weeks of availability.  What they found was that nearly twice as many Android users upgraded to the latest OS as iPhone users.

The study showed the dramatic benefits of Android's over-the-air OS updates -- something Apple has either been unable or unwilling to implement.  IOS 4.0 saw a steady crawl upwards in adoption rates, that allowed it to temporarily get ahead of Android 2.2.  

But when the Android OTA packages landed, in a single day the Android 2.2 adoption jumped incredibly from around 42 percent to around 92 percent.  By the end of two weeks, Android's upgrade totals had reached 96 percent, while Apple had a mere 56 percent.

One thing Loyalytics says the study shows is that iPhone users are using iTunes less.  If they had plugged into iTunes they would have been prompted to update, but many users still appeared not to have connected after almost two weeks.  This may be a result of Apple enabling over-the-air content downloads from its iTunes store, which is directly accessible from the iPhone.

However, the study brings mixed news to developers on both fronts.  For Android developers the rapid updates are good in a way, because they can be assured a homogeneous platform.  It can also be bad, because if an update breaks your app, you may only have have a couple of days to fix the problem before the majority of users can't use it.

For iPhone developers the opposite is true.  The platform is more heterogeneous in terms of OS versions, which can be confusing as to which versions to target and when.  On the other hand, iPhone devs have more time to fix bugs created by OS updates.

The researchers conclude:

The extent to which the iPad is or isn’t cannibalizing PC sales is being debated. But it seems reasonable to assume that even fewer iPads will be plugged into computers than iPhones, suggesting that iPad upgrades to iOS 4.2 later this year will lag iPhone upgrades. At some point, Apple will probably need/want to provide OTA upgrades to both the iPad and iPhone, at least over WiFi.

Of course as anyone who knows Apple could tell you, the company is sure to take adopting this new feature at its own pace, however fast or slow that may be.

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Couldn't possibly be because...
By Motoman on 9/15/2010 12:18:14 PM , Rating: 5
...people who buy Apple products are simply doing so because they think it makes them cool - and otherwise are totally technically unsophisticated and have no idea what to do with their fruit-themed toys anyway.

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Scabies on 9/15/2010 1:17:12 PM , Rating: 2
Technical sophistication? Is that part of Web 2.0?

By marvdmartian on 9/16/2010 9:57:10 AM , Rating: 1
If Darth Steve wants you to be technically sophisticated, he will offer it as a Magical FEATURE, dammit!!

By crucibelle on 9/15/2010 1:25:26 PM , Rating: 3

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Tony Swash on 9/15/10, Rating: -1
RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Motoman on 9/15/2010 1:50:15 PM , Rating: 3 compared to the mindless minions who buy whatever the TV tells them to?

You fail at statistics.

...also, I have known many CEOs, journalists, doctors, musicians, photographers, so on and so forth - and a great many of them are as technically unsophisticated as one can get. That's a really poor list to try to prove your point.

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Tony Swash on 9/15/10, Rating: -1
RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Motoman on 9/15/2010 2:16:52 PM , Rating: 3
You're the one making a misguided appeal to competance - the fact that someone is a doctor, executive, movie producer, whatever, has not the slightest bearing on whether or not they have the smallest amount of technical proficiency.

You want statistics, go and count them yourself. You're the only one foolish enough to believe that there might be some possible universe in which a significant percentage of Apple consumers are technically sophisticated. The rest of us don't view the world through Apple-colored lenses.

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Tony Swash on 9/15/10, Rating: -1
RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Motoman on 9/15/2010 2:46:29 PM , Rating: 2
We get it. We get it just fine.

If you want to keep believing that Apple is successful based on the magical merits of it's hardware, there's nothing I or anyone else can do to change your mind.

Apple doesn't sell technology. It sells self-image. A sense of belonging...a sense of hipness. A way of expressing your individuality by doing what the TV tells you to do.

Those who aren't swayed by the propaganda are aware that the emperor has no clothes. For you and all the other Apple consumers out there...well, the emperor is a pretty snazzy dresser, now isn't he?

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Tony Swash on 9/15/10, Rating: -1
RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/15/2010 3:16:43 PM , Rating: 2
Emulate the unique Jobs's skill of predicting the future needs of a mass Western consumer? This is impossible by definition. I'm afraid Apple will be gone when Jobs goes.

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/15/10, Rating: 0
RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Alexstarfire on 9/15/2010 10:28:59 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, everyone I know who has bought Apple products, save for my father, has said "because it's cool" or "I like how it looks." I should say this is mostly for the iPhone and iPod Touch. Most of my friends don't have the money to get an iMac or MacBook. The ironic part being that after they use it for a week, or sometimes even less, is that they wished it could do something another product does along with all the stuff they already do.

Talking about Apple computers isn't even worth it since they have and always will have a small market share in that sector.

If people give me valid reasons for why they purchased a product, any product, then I don't even say anything unless on the very rare chance there happens to be a better product that fits those needs. They know what they want better than I do. When they give a piss poor excuse I'll tell them about a better product. That said, I usually don't even ask since it's not my decision to make.

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By chick0n on 9/15/2010 10:46:53 PM , Rating: 2
its Pirks ... why bother replying ... he is one of the biggest prick on DT ... oh I mean troll ...

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/16/10, Rating: -1
By Alexstarfire on 9/16/2010 3:03:13 PM , Rating: 2
Because he attempted a rational argument.

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/16/10, Rating: 0
RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Alexstarfire on 9/16/2010 3:29:10 PM , Rating: 2
Can't exactly disagree with your first point since I know none of my friends are very technical minded.

While I could sit here and argue points on the computers, I'm not. It's been done time and time again between you and I, and tons of other people. I wasn't talking about computers and I explicitly said that so that you wouldn't starting arguing over them.

My point wasn't about the media, though I'd love for them to at least provide the same amount of coverage as other companies, either more coverage for others or less for Apple, but about talking with people like you about them.

If you'd like to talk about what I was talking about then I'd be more than happy to have a discussion. Until then, stop trolling.

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/16/2010 4:15:23 PM , Rating: 1
So what were you talking about then?

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By triadone on 9/16/2010 5:46:24 AM , Rating: 3
Very funny to see this meme persist after the PPC to Intel/x86 switch. Not to take the bait but early assessments of the Intel based Macs placed them on par with comparably equipped Windows counterparts. In fact, the Mac Pro from a hardware standpoint was actually markedly cheaper than offerings from Dell et al.'s high end workstation offerings. That trend continues with editor's choice awards for products like the iMac and Mac Pro (via Computer World, I believe).

Your argument is pretty common for those who don't really have a good idea as to the actual hardware and engineering that goes into these products. And by "these products" I don't simply mean Apple. I'm referring more to whether you can understand the difference in quality between a Dell Studio and an Adamo, for example, and not just run off on some rampage about how "It's the same thing, just cheaper!" No, they're not the same, and if you don't get that little nugget of truth, then you're arguing from a "just enough" mindset. e.g., One who knows just enough to think their informed but hasn't reached a threshold by which they have perspective to understand the difference between themselves and someone who does know better.

By Alexstarfire on 9/16/2010 3:38:40 PM , Rating: 2
I would hope they'd be on par if they have the same parts. Would be sad otherwise.

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Motoman on 9/15/2010 2:29:51 PM , Rating: 2
And by the way, I'd love to see how you'd collect such a statistic...

<online poll at>

1. Are you the proud owner of an Apple device? Y/N
2. Are you technically sophisticated? Y/N
3. How do you know you are technically sophisticated?
a. I hold an advanced degree in computer/mobile electronics
b. I'm a doctor/laywer/photographer/journalist/other professional
c. I frequently succeed at opening an email
d. I own an Apple product

...with all options A-D being valid reasons to declare yourself to be technically sophisticated.

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By StevoLincolnite on 9/15/2010 8:49:39 PM , Rating: 2
I was reading this post... Then it dawned on me.

I have actually -never- owned an Apple device in my life!
I have used a few Mac's, but I have never used an iPod or an iPhone at all. (Being in a country area of Australia probably does that.)

Plus I think the Mac's cases look ugly as well, I would prefer a good Antec case with the side window, Neons and all the flashy stuff, but that is of-course personal preference.

Never owned an iPod because I liked my Creative Zen and never saw the need to replace it, plus I didn't need software installed to transfer music to the device.

Never owned an iPhone as I have an Android phone.

Never even had Apple's Quicktime or iTunes installed on my Windows PC as I have never needed to use it, VLC plays everything, Music is handled with Winamp and a bunch of plugins.

I honestly do not see the attraction or point in spending the extra price premium for there products when there are alternatives that work just as well if not better. - Or am I missing something?

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/16/10, Rating: 0
RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By chripuck on 9/16/2010 12:04:31 PM , Rating: 2
I've owned a Chevy, Toyota, Acura and a Lexus. The Chevy drove just as well as the Acura and Lexus for EVERYDAY use. If I wanted high performance, sure, I'd be far happier with my Acura or Lexus. The interior quality is far superior in the Acura and Lexus, but at double the cost premium it should be. I see the same being true with Mac's, which is why their market share will never grow exponentially.

I have no doubts you'll come back with some jackass reply about Mac's being the be all end all product, but bottom line is most people only NEED a Chevy.

Also, everybody has the "coolness" factored into their Apple purchase. They may have many other reasons to buy it, but there's no denying that Apple products are the hip thing to own.

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/16/2010 12:51:27 PM , Rating: 2
I have no doubts you'll come back with some jackass reply about Mac's being the be all end all product, but bottom line is most people only NEED a Chevy.
Nah, I don't think Macs are real mass product, I agree with you - they are niche machines because of their high price.

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By StevoLincolnite on 9/16/2010 10:41:53 PM , Rating: 2
yeah, try to think about why people buy expensive Lexus cars when they could drive exactly the same way with cheaper Chevy

The difference there is I like the look of a Lexus, I think the Macs look ugly, so for me they are non-camparable.
And for the record I am content with my Holden Commodore VE, great car.

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/17/2010 10:37:14 AM , Rating: 2
noticed I said "people" not "you"?
read more carefully next time
also people choose cars and computers not just by the looks no matter what you say

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By macthemechanic on 9/16/2010 11:13:43 AM , Rating: 2
Moto, get over it. This research is crap and we can all see that it doesn't have any sort of real world information built into the review. Not everyone is a follower or wowed by coolness. I know those who just run from cool thing to the next cool thing. I call them the "generic people". The world needs them. I have all Macs at home now after 35 years of building computers, writing assembly, debug, 4th generation and all sorts of coding (32 languages). I dumped my Windows and Linux network at home simply because I did not want to spend all of my free time maintaining it. It was not a "coolness" choice, but one of choosing to have the computer do what I wanted, not being forced to constantly interact with a device eternally wanting me to approve patches, or respond to the neediness of the operating system and its design philosophy of requiring confirmation for everything. Macs do the job and I am happy to let them own that. When I want to delve deeper into machine code, I can easily do it with a Mac, or if necessary run a virtual Windows or Linux OS to facilitate my study needs. In this, I have found many other people with similar stories wanting freedom of serving their PCs (patch management, virus management, spam management, constant patch Tuesday events, etc...) Macs have these issues to, but to a much lesser degree of input required by the end user. The iXXX devices are just an extension of the philosophy. If I wanted to manage every single aspect over all of my computing devices, then I would have probably bought another product like an Android. For me, it's about having other interests and not needing to control it all.

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By chripuck on 9/16/2010 11:57:26 AM , Rating: 2
What could you possibly have to do to maintain your network? You build the PC, load the software, set automatic updates per your need and you're done. I could see it maybe 10 years ago, but Windows 7 is a great piece of software and requires very little maintenance to keep running.

I'm genuinely confused what all of this extra work involves?

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/16/10, Rating: -1
RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By macthemechanic on 9/16/2010 10:42:21 PM , Rating: 2
Ah, to be that young and again... ;-)

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/17/2010 10:51:46 AM , Rating: 1
yeah, like this problem doesn't exist for the OLD users

your lies lead nowhere

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Motoman on 9/17/2010 11:24:16 AM , Rating: 2

As a guy who has mamy PCs and laptops in the house, networked to two outbuildings, and who runs his own web and email servers, your statement above is abysmally stupid.

Keeping such a network running requires zero work. Zero. Not even the slightest amount of my time is required to do any support or maintenance of this network.

Spare me with your "management" issues. There's not the smallest bit of validity to your post.

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/17/2010 11:41:03 AM , Rating: 1
Keeping such a network running requires zero work
People maintain all sorts of networks, not just the single configuration that's a clone of yours. And they run into serious issues with Windows legendary moronic stupidity. I wrote about an elaborate example of that a few posts above.

So don't you lie Mototroll, it may be VERY FAR from zero work. Depends on network topology.

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Motoman on 9/17/2010 1:03:26 PM , Rating: 1
Depends on network topology.

In your case, I suspect it has to do with your catastrophic idiocy. Your "elaborate" post above demonstrates nothing other than your ability to foam at the mouth like the neuralectomy patient that you are. You have made no points at all, and frankly, you never do - and your rabid stupidity does nothing but further erode whatever legitimacy your viewpoint may have otherwise had.

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/17/2010 2:09:20 PM , Rating: 2
Your lies doesn't change the fact that this stupid Windows networking problem exists. It exists and it keeps laughing at you, dumb troll. Try harder next time.

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Motoman on 9/17/2010 2:52:12 PM , Rating: 2
What networking problem? You didn't even identify one.

The fact of the matter is that you haven't got the slightest clue what you're talking about, and you probably made up the entire tirade up there about your "networking problem" in an attempt to justify your Macolyte status.

As always, you've not got the slightest clue what you're talking about. There is plenty of laughter going on here...the whole world is laughing at *you*, the brainless poster child of Apple consumers. You are exactly the kind of consumer that Apple caters every way. The kind that hasn't the slightest ability to think for themselves, but is incredibly eager to soak up all the propaganda that Apple can throw at you, then gleefully regurgitate it on command.

You're not a technophile. You're a trained dog. Sit. Stay. STFU.

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/17/2010 5:13:42 PM , Rating: 2
What networking problem? You didn't even identify one.

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Motoman on 9/18/2010 11:00:00 PM , Rating: 3
That's not an identified network problem.

That's you rabidly frothing about nothing...other than, probably, your own stupidity.

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/20/2010 9:41:29 AM , Rating: 1
That's not an identified network problem
Because you are unable to identify it, only speaks about your stupidity. Wanna check my words and try it out yourself? Nah you won't, coward, 'cause what are you gonna troll about when you see all of this dumbfuckd Windows 7 shit by yourself? ;-)

By triadone on 9/16/2010 5:01:21 AM , Rating: 3
Um, lol, and you'd have to statistically understand that it's completely moronic to assume that only users of Macs who fit into those categories are technically challenged while those who buy PCs are somehow more gifted. Having done repairs, upgrades, etc. with both Windows and Mac systems, people are technologically illiterate across all basic demographics. Try a new argument.

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Helbore on 9/15/2010 2:09:43 PM , Rating: 2
A client of mine is a Doctor. I recently had to visit his office in order to turn his monitor on for him (no joke, he thought it had died because it didn't come on when he switched the computer on)

Don't asusme because sonmeone is skilled in a particular profession that it has any bearing on their skill with technology.

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Lazarus Dark on 9/15/2010 6:47:49 PM , Rating: 5
My wifes entire life/work revolves around Photoshop on her Mac... but she wouldn't know an update if it bit her in the face. She can do things on Photoshop I don't even comprehend, but she has to call me whenever she needs to transfer a file from her macbook to a usb drive.

Artistic ability does not equal technical ability. All those Mac artists are kinda like idiot savants.

By Lerianis on 9/16/2010 8:56:52 AM , Rating: 2
Not really, they are just people who don't want to TAKE THE TIME to get computer literate. My father knows how to transfer to and read files on a USB drive, but only because I made him learn how to do it.

He whines about how things change on computers so fast, and I point out to him that Commodore things changed very fast back in the day.

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By lolmuly on 9/15/2010 10:32:20 PM , Rating: 3
I can really only speak for film-makers, but i will tell you with certainty, the only film-makers who choose apple are the technically illiterate.

A professional film-maker will chose a windows based avid machine over final cut,

A professional vfx artist will choose a windows based nuke machine, or a redhat based sgi machine, over an apple (for which apple quit selling shake by the way)

A professional motion graphics artist will choose a windows based adobe machine over apple motion any day.

A professional disc author would never use apple's dvd studio pro because you can't shut the abstraction layer off.

I don't even know if they make 3D tracking applications for mac.

Particle simulators, 3D packages, 3D utilities, only a very small handful even exist for mac.

Finally given the premium they charge for their outdated hardware, I sincerely doubt that anyone would even bother setting up an apple render farm, if they did they would have to be some of the stupidest businessmen on the planet.

So please, do not offend me by mentioning apple and film-makers in the same sentence. Apple users are amateurs that can't tell their foot from their hand, and don't know why the difference is important.

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Tony Swash on 9/16/10, Rating: -1
RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By lolmuly on 9/16/2010 2:56:03 PM , Rating: 4
yes and the rest of the categories?

Avatar - Avid

The Blind Side - Avid

District 9 - Avid

An Education - Avid

The Hurt Locker - Avid

Up - Avid

Up in the Air - Avid

I don't have a full list, but you get the point, it goes on and on. Go into television and the statistics get even worse.

a two man camera crew doing documentary interviews hardly counts as professional film making. The only reason you even heard about fcp at the oscars, is because so few companies actually use it.

Try getting a job in LA as a Final cut editor, see how many people laugh in your face.

I personally am not an editor, I couldn't care less about editing systems, but I have used both fcp and various avid systems. A professional avid system is worlds faster than some stock mac machine with fcp installed. Try learning them sometime and you will see what I mean.

There are really only two reasons amateurs use fcp, it's cheap, and everything is drag and drop. As a professional, you don't want a cheap system, and you definitely don't need drag and drop. Avid is reliable, fast, and preforms every time, that's why people use it despite the company being a bunch of blowholes.

FINALLY, PLEASE don't bring up directors that insist on editing their own movies. It's pretentious, and in bad taste.

A director can write, dp, cast himself, and then edit a movie, but it only makes him an a--hole that can't see why people fall asleep during his films (cough cough, benjamin button).

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Helbore on 9/15/2010 2:11:29 PM , Rating: 4
Its more likely due to the fact that the update to iOS4 for the 3GS still hasn't completed on most iPhones.

Speed is not its friend.

By kmmatney on 9/15/2010 3:30:05 PM , Rating: 2
A lot of people bought the iPhone because it was the best thing out at the time. I bought my 3GS a little over a year ago. I tried out all the smartphones they had (I have to get AT&T since its a work phone) and no other phone even came close to its ease of use and overall capability. Next year when I can upgrade I will try out the phones again.

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Sazar on 9/16/2010 4:35:01 AM , Rating: 2
No, it's because the Apple products have the bigger GB's and the wifi's.

By macthemechanic on 9/16/2010 10:55:45 AM , Rating: 2
That is such an infantile comment, it should cause embarrassment by the sender. If not, one would question their emotional status or perhaps maturity.

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By BillyBatson on 9/16/2010 1:07:06 PM , Rating: 2
Your entire post is very ignorant and very untrue.

RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/16/2010 2:22:27 PM , Rating: 2
That's why we call this idiot "the Mototroll" :)))

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