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Water on Mars  (Source: Finding Dulcinea)
Studying the ratios of isotopes in Mars' carbon dioxide shows history of water on Mars

Measurements by NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander have determined that liquid water has had a presence throughout Mars' history. 

In 2008, the Phoenix performed measurements of stable isotopes of oxygen and carbon in the carbon dioxide of the atmosphere on Mars. These measurements were taken by the Evolved Gas Analyzer, which is part of the Phoenix's Thermal and Evolved Gas Analyzer (TEGA). TEGA was built at the University of Arizona and has a mass spectrometer capable of better analyses of carbon dioxide than those on NASA's Viking landers (these were the only others with instruments that could compile results on Mars' isotopic composition). To perform its task, the TEGA instrument opened a "pin-point-sized" hole while a puff of Mars' atmosphere was sucked into its chamber with a vacuum.

"We use the TEGA instrument as a crime scene investigator," said William V. Boynton, a professor at the Lunar and Planetary Lab in the UA's department of planetary sciences and co-author of the paper. "Like a chemical fingerprint, isotopes tell us what process is responsible for making the material we are studying."

Figuring out the ratios of isotopes in Mars' carbon dioxide offers new information on the complete history of volcanic activity and water on Mars' surface. Based on the measurements, liquid water has existed on Mars' surface at freezing temperatures, which means that hydrothermal systems (much like hot springs at Yellowstone National Park here on Earth) have played a small part on Mars' surface throughout the planet's history, but has been present nonetheless.

"Atmospheric carbon dioxide is like a chemical spy," said Paul Niles, a space scientist at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston and lead author of the paper. "It infiltrates every part of the surface of Mars and can indicate the presence of water and its history."

Other results from the TEGA analysis concluded that both Mars' carbon dioxide has proportions of oxygen and carbon isotopes much like the carbon dioxide found in Earth's atmosphere. The analysis noted two key clues that shows that Mars is both "geologically active" and that water has been present on the planet throughout its history. 

First, Mars has recently replenished its atmospheric carbon dioxide because an older atmosphere would contain more of the carbon-13 isotope, and Mars has seen a significant loss in this particular isotope. The results suggest that the atmosphere was replenished with carbon dioxide from volcanoes, meaning Mars is more active than previously thought.

Second, the measurements were compared to Martian meteorites that fell to the Earth after being hurled into space, and the meteorites had carbonate materials that could only form in the presence of carbon dioxide and liquid water. One meteorite in particular crystallized about 170 million years ago, which is considered recent in Mars' geological time, and contains carbonates with "isotopic proportions that match the atmospheric measurements by Phoenix." This tells us that water has been present on Mars recently and in the past, and there's enough of it to manipulate the composition of the planet's atmosphere. And for water to exist under Mars' cold and dry conditions, it has remained near its freezing point.

"The findings do not reveal specific locations or dates of liquid water and volcanic vents," said Niles. "But geologically recent occurrences of those conditions provide the best explanations for the isotope proportions we found."

The study was published in the September 10 issue of Science.



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RE: Wait for it...
By Iaiken on 9/13/2010 11:13:13 AM , Rating: 5
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all your evidence says that you found isotopes which turned into water.


That's not what the evidence said at all...

The evidence said that carbonates (the most obvious of these is calcium carbonate, or calcite), which require liquid water for natural formation, are present on mars.

This means one of two things:

- There was liquid water on Mars at some point
- The calcite came from somewhere else

Now they've found these carbonates it on Mars and they've recovered it from several Martian meteorites here on earth. The possibility that these carbonate deposits first came to Mars from somewhere else and then were re-ejected by an impact and found their way to Earth is so improbable that it borders on impossible.

As such, we can only conclude that the simpler of the two answers is the correct one. That there was liquid water on mars in which these carbonates crystals grew as recently as 170,000 years ago.

Why does this frighten you so much?

Beyond that, your statement of Atheists thinking that the world revolves around them is laughable. Have you ever stopped to think that perhaps they better realize how utterly insignificant they are in comparison to the broad scope of of time and space in the universe at large? No, I would argue that the people who need to argue the existence of some greater being who loves them above all else as being the self-centered ones.

From there your argument devolves into incoherent drivel that a politer person would simply ignore.

Anyway, thanks for the laugh.


RE: Wait for it...
By RugMuch on 9/13/2010 11:17:30 AM , Rating: 4
Hope you caught
quote:
/s
it is usually understood to sarcastic and I was just taking a piss.


RE: Wait for it...
By FITCamaro on 9/13/10, Rating: 0
RE: Wait for it...
By Iaiken on 9/13/2010 1:45:02 PM , Rating: 3
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In case you've never read the Bible, God is kind of a prick.


Especially in the old testament, but I'm going to skip the entire polarity argument of god being good, bad, neutral, fallible , infallible, etc... It's been done to death between theologians and philosophers and I've come to the conclusion that god is none of the above because gods are man-made and not the other way around.

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I think the complete denial of a "God" is pretty stupid and ignorant. Main reason being, regardless of your (lack of) faith, we just don't know.


This is where you show your own ignorance of others beliefs and make the mistake of thinking you are right or that I think I am right.

Look at it this way, even if a creator does exist, I don't care. My family, friends and wife love me and we treat each other exceptionally well and we didn't need the fear of god to do so.

I have no fear of damnation because any god petty enough to damn me for not worshiping it is simply not worth my worship in the first place. Catch 22.

And yet the reward of existing for eternity is another selfish creation of mortal fearful men. It brings me no pain to think that when I die, I will cease to exist except in peoples memories and that those will fade with time and I will simply cease to be.

You can freak out about that all you like, it won't change my character, but it will certainly give me a better idea about yours.


RE: Wait for it...
By timmiser on 9/13/2010 8:05:25 PM , Rating: 3
I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, cuz the sinners are much more fun!


RE: Wait for it...
By hr824 on 9/13/2010 1:45:47 PM , Rating: 3
I believe leprechauns and unicorns rule the universe, I think a complete denial of leprechauns and unicorns is pretty stupid and ignorant. Main reason being, regardless of your lack of faith we just don't know.


RE: Wait for it...
By acer905 on 9/13/2010 6:02:46 PM , Rating: 2
Did you ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe, whatever some people call "God" is in actuality a hybrid unicorn-leprechaun?

I like to view things this way, rate up if you like, or down as well.

From the structure of the universe we have seen thus far, it is apparent that there is a structure. There are many scientific laws that have been discovered, and that are universal constants. Were there to be no guiding force in the universe, thee laws could not exist, pure chaos would not allow it. Whether you believe there is a sentient being which imposes order, or not, the fact is that the universe does not exist in a state of pure chaos.

Nobody invented physics, Newton was not an all powerful being capable of influencing the way objects interact, he just figured out how they did. We have no power to fundamentally affect the structure of the universe. We can observe it, change some bits, but equilibrium will always return, everything seeks lowest energy.

For thousands of years we have tried to understand what we cannot, and for countless years to come we will continue. The key is simply understanding that by definition, in an infinite universe, anything is possible, so one should never completely dismiss anything.

Bit of a rant, but I felt it was worth sayin...


RE: Wait for it...
By TSS on 9/13/2010 1:47:51 PM , Rating: 2
If we truely don't know, how can you claim god is a prick? Just because you read it in a 2000 year old book written by a bunch of men who claimed it's from some magical beared guy in the sky?

Complete denial is better then "we just don't know". As we just don't know isn't practical in this life. That assesment will lead to only 1 thing: "It's better to be safe then sorry". Thus, people will live as if god exists, rather then when he does not.

This has lead to all the horrors the various religions have committed throughout history. Because If no god exists, nothing'll happen after their dead, but if he does exist, they will go to heaven.

Not beeing able to pick a side is ignorant and stupid, not to mention spineless. If my attitude means i'm going to hell, so be it. Atleast i'll die with a clear conscience. I'll be damned if it isn't the right thing to do (pun intended).


RE: Wait for it...
By AstroGuardian on 9/13/2010 6:15:09 PM , Rating: 2
What? You believe in god? Any proof that god exists?

I'll tell you what, you believe (in god) cause you don't have a clue about the thing surrounding you. So stop believing and start knowing!


RE: Wait for it...
By RivuxGamma on 9/14/2010 8:49:48 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I think the complete denial of a "God" is pretty stupid and ignorant. Main reason being, regardless of your (lack of) faith, we just don't know.


That's about the worst reason I've heard to believe in anything.


RE: Wait for it...
By pwnsweet on 9/13/2010 9:43:51 PM , Rating: 2
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The possibility that these carbonate deposits first came to Mars from somewhere else and then were re-ejected by an impact and found their way to Earth is so improbable that it borders on impossible.


Impossible like the likelihood that the universe began with a big bang, Earth is placed at the perfect distance from the sun to sustain life and we all evolved from a single celled organism?


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