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Acer chief also compares Apple to betamax tapes

Acer is fast gaining ground in the personal computer market thanks to its best-selling Acer Aspire One netbookIn July of 2010, Acer ousted Dell from the second place spot in the global computer shipment rankings dropping Dell in third place.  However, Dell has since recovered, regaining its second place spot.

Meanwhile Acer continues to grapple with Apple -- a company that once bumped it to fourth place.  Speaking with Digitimes, Acer found Stan Shih compared Apple's products to mutant viruses and remarked that a cure was incoming.  The report reads:
Acer founder Stan Shih, in a talks with reporters on September 8, commented that Apple's strong popularity is mainly due to its products such as iPad and iPhone, and these products are like mutant viruses, which are difficult to find a cure for in the short-term, but he believes that PC vendors will eventually find a way to isolate Apple and become immune.
Apple indeed seems to have a rather viral market appeal and a tendency to peter out and then come back -- as evidenced by the failure of Macs in the 1990s and the company salvation by the iPod lineup in the 2000s.

Mr. Shih also compared Apple products to the short-lived Betamax format, saying PCs are like the more popular VHS tapes.  The statement is somewhat ironic, given that Apple CEO Steve Jobs often credits himself and Apple for doing away with defunct formats like floppy discs.

He did at last offer some kinder words for the competitor, though, saying that Apple was both creative and an innovator.  He said that PC makers could learn from the success of Apple's integrated hardware/software approach, and its successful applications store (the iTunes App Store).

During the interview Mr. Shih also voiced another controversial opinion -- that U.S. technology companies will eventually quit the personal computer market.  He points to IBM's recent 2005 sale of its PC department to Lenovo (Chinese) as an example of that.  Of course Mr. Shih's statements discount that three of the top four computer manufacturers -- Hewlett-Packard, Dell, and Apple -- are all American.

Mr. Shih's comments follow controversial remarks about Apple in late August, in which he said the company's tablet, the iPad, would drop from 100 percent market share to 20 percent market share over the next couple years.  Apple's supporters are skeptical about rival tablet makers' ability to catch up.


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Nice analogy
By mfenn on 9/9/2010 12:24:07 PM , Rating: 4
Betamax was also higher quality than VHS.




RE: Nice analogy
By amanojaku on 9/9/2010 12:33:26 PM , Rating: 5
Then the analogy is false as Apple does not produce higher quality products than other vendors. No reputable vendor had as many defects as Apple had across all of its product lines. ALL OF ITS PRODUCTS. Apple's short-term advantage is a better aesthetic design, which becomes stale as it's rarely updated, while other platforms see a variety of designs. The Achilles Heel of Apple: no variety. We all know about homogeneous gene pools...


RE: Nice analogy
By StevoLincolnite on 9/9/2010 1:04:53 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Apple's short-term advantage is a better aesthetic design,


Even that comes down to personal taste.
I personally don't like the look of the Mac's.
Give me a nice black case, with a clear window, a water cooling loop with UV reactive coolant, a bunch of Neons over the Macs dull casing any day.


RE: Nice analogy
By paydirt on 9/9/2010 3:19:35 PM , Rating: 2
If Apple was my competitor, I would probably be insane too and making bad analogies.


RE: Nice analogy
By drunkenmastermind on 9/9/2010 9:03:09 PM , Rating: 2
Have you ever put your wrist to the sharp aluminium edge on the pro series laptop? fucking awful and they weight a ton.


RE: Nice analogy
By Chapbass on 9/9/2010 9:51:22 PM , Rating: 3
Only every time I use an apple product....

/wrists. It just works.


RE: Nice analogy
By wolrah on 9/15/2010 10:24:02 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Give me a nice black case, with a clear window, a water cooling loop with UV reactive coolant, a bunch of Neons over the Macs dull casing any day.


Stretching the definition of what can be called "taste" there, eh?

To use a car analogy, I see the "dull" design of a Mac as being like a mid-90s BMW: everyone knows what it is when they see it but it doesn't call attention to itself (never mind that the owner is 50/50 a tool who wants to call attention to it). While I'll give you that in some applications neons and UV can look good, 99.9% of the time it looks like a riced out Civic exploded in a computer.


RE: Nice analogy
By hexxthalion on 9/10/2010 5:43:34 AM , Rating: 1
definitely better quality than acer products


RE: Nice analogy
By JarredWalton on 9/10/2010 11:59:56 AM , Rating: 1
No doubt. Much as I'm not an Apple fan/user, Acer's products have lousy build quality, horrible keyboards, and crappy LCDs. The fact that Acer managed to move into the #2 spot (if only temporarily) isn't that big of a deal, considering most of those sales were crappy netbooks with small margins.


RE: Nice analogy
By FITCamaro on 9/9/2010 12:33:34 PM , Rating: 5
Apples may have a pretty case on the outside, but what you get inside is less than what the same money gets you with a PC.


RE: Nice analogy
By GaryJohnson on 9/9/2010 12:49:50 PM , Rating: 2
As an enthusiast I'm used to dropping a ludicrous amount of money on hardware, and I don't bat an eye at their prices. What keeps me away is the proprietary hardware & software.


RE: Nice analogy
By ClownPuncher on 9/9/2010 3:10:41 PM , Rating: 5
That is a lie and you know it. Unicorn Musk gives the Apple the advantage.


RE: Nice analogy
By wallijonn on 9/9/10, Rating: 0
RE: Nice analogy
By Camikazi on 9/9/2010 4:44:19 PM , Rating: 3
iPhone Anntennae, iMac yellow screen, MacBook cracking cases, using faulty nvidia chips (not 100% their fault but you would think QA qould notice the overheating and problems wouldn't you?) that is just the few I remember. Apple QA is not all that much better then other computer companies, it's just that other companies sell much more so you see people complaining more.


RE: Nice analogy
By djcameron on 9/9/2010 5:21:58 PM , Rating: 2
Don't forget that Cube-shaped Mac that had a problem with a cracking case.


RE: Nice analogy
By PrezWeezy on 9/9/2010 5:41:37 PM , Rating: 2
How about the firmware update that killed hard drive performance.


RE: Nice analogy
By tastyratz on 9/9/2010 6:02:08 PM , Rating: 2
Funny thing about what you said. it seems these days that apple engineers don't notice anything overheating, your just using it wrong.

Don't you know every portable mac product is for 3 season use?

For a company with their brand recognition their ability to pass off sub par engineering and QA baffles me.


RE: Nice analogy
By Reclaimer77 on 9/10/2010 1:48:25 AM , Rating: 2
You left out exploding batteries in several devices.


RE: Nice analogy
By FredEx on 9/10/2010 2:31:27 AM , Rating: 2
Go to any Apple help/support blog to find folks asking for fixes on many of Apple's "flawless" products. <tic>


RE: Nice analogy
By Uncle on 9/11/2010 11:54:48 AM , Rating: 1
@ Fredex. Unless the moderator deems your complaints as flammable and pulls them so no one else sees them.


RE: Nice analogy
By bfellow on 9/14/2010 5:23:16 PM , Rating: 2
It's the consumers fault for not noticing their batteries are about to explode or they're holding the Mac wrong.


RE: Nice analogy
By acer905 on 9/9/2010 12:56:43 PM , Rating: 2
It seems as though Apple, like its fruit namesake, has a definite shelf life. In most corporations, people are not critical to success in the fact that, while having talented people is necessary, having a specific person is not.

That is not the case for Apple, whose own history has shown that without Jobs, the company itself withers. If, for any reason, Jobs is unable to work at Apple, which will most definitely happen at some point in the future, will Apple be able to accomplish anything?

(Side thought, with our current rate of human-computer interfaces being created, and Apple's huge cash pile... Maybe Jobs is secretly researching a way to combine himself with Apple and become their new OS...)


RE: Nice analogy
By exploderator on 9/9/10, Rating: -1
RE: Nice analogy
By Alexstarfire on 9/9/2010 4:25:36 PM , Rating: 1
Are you high? Much of what you said is the exact opposite of how it really is. I suppose I could agree that Jobs does have binding decisions. Seems obvious that there isn't a good management structure though. Just look at anyone who makes a mistake at Apple. Not only that, but the management at Apple is what allowed the antenna issue to get through. Not that Apple is alone in allowing known issues to go into production models.

Real geeks stay away from Apple like the plague. Apple is arguably the least innovative company ever, except for their marketing. Their marketing is obviously genius since so many people buy into it.

Don't know if Apple will be able to keep it up when Jobs is out of the picture permanently. I don't think they will, but only time will tell.


RE: Nice analogy
By djcameron on 9/9/2010 5:26:23 PM , Rating: 4
The was an episode of South Park where everyone was buying Prius cars. They had an outbreak of "Smug". This is what drives Apple's sales, the current trend of yuppie/yippie/hipster people desperate to feel cooler than everyone else.


RE: Nice analogy
By Autisticgramma on 9/9/2010 6:09:37 PM , Rating: 4
apple does some good things, for one their ipod interface is something even my gramma can use.

speaking of analogies :)

apple is more akin to a fashion company. Who makes designs for people who know nothing about fashion. I just thought that people with that much money to spend on clothes would look at a clothes magazine, of course one that doesn't say apple fashions on the front.

I'm glad they don't make washers and dryers. Besides having a lein your house to get them. They would be pretty enough to have in the living room, and even pick up your clothes. But you have to have apple clothes, and every time they enter the washer its $.10 to the CC you purchased with, and $.10 more for the dryer. And folding/hangers/drawers? We removed that feature, it worked great but, used too much power, and its insecure.


RE: Nice analogy
By tcunning on 9/12/2010 8:49:54 PM , Rating: 2
I agree about the iPod interface (also good for one hand blind in the car)--except they JUST GOT RID OF IT with the Nano going touch and the Classic being, well, classic. I guess they think they have so many good ideas that they can just throw the old ones away.


RE: Nice analogy
By MScrip on 9/10/2010 6:02:14 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Apple is arguably the least innovative company ever

So what has HP, the largest computer manufacturer in the world, done to innovate lately?

Maybe there's only so much you can do with processors, hard drives, screens and keyboards.

So Apple decided to focus on other things... like magnetic battery connectors, glass trackpads and aluminum enclosures.

I'm not a Mac user... so don't even try to attack me. But there's not much innovation in the computer market anymore. At this point... computers are a commodity. So you have to distinguish your products in other ways.


RE: Nice analogy
By n00bxqb on 9/15/2010 2:53:59 AM , Rating: 2
Memristors are a pretty huge innovation ...

But I guess something that could completely change the face of computers as we know them is not nearly as innovative as making a computer out of aluminum :rolleyes:


RE: Nice analogy
By mydogfarted on 9/9/2010 1:20:06 PM , Rating: 2
Well sort of. Betamax's short run lasted from 1975 to 2002, when the last Betamax machine was produced.


RE: Nice analogy
By omnicronx on 9/10/2010 11:57:51 AM , Rating: 2
He means the quality format itself ;) Betamax always supported more lines (horizontally and vertically, kind of like the analog version of resolution) than VHS. From a video quality perspective for those with good enough TV's to notice, it was better..

Unfortunately no licensing fee's and a lower price will always win out over a marginal quality increase and a proprietary and costly format..


RE: Nice analogy
By murdakillemall on 9/10/2010 2:38:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
by omnicronx on September 10, 2010 at 11:57 AM
... Unfortunately no licensing fee's and a lower price will always win out over a marginal quality increase and a proprietary and costly format..


Until Blu-Ray appeared on the scene.


RE: Nice analogy
By BernardP on 9/9/2010 2:30:23 PM , Rating: 2
Right!

I'm still using my Sony SL-HF600 circa 1985) for occasional off-air recording.

http://www.betamaxcollectors.com/sonysuperbetamaxm...


RE: Nice analogy
By Mitch101 on 9/9/2010 3:44:08 PM , Rating: 2
Coax input and where might you be getting an analog broadcast signal input? I smell shins?


RE: Nice analogy
By MrTeal on 9/9/2010 5:07:08 PM , Rating: 3
Perhaps you missed the 50,000,000 coupons for digital to analog converter boxes that were handed out?


RE: Nice analogy
By Penti on 9/12/2010 10:27:49 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe analog cable? Or just the RF-output on the cable/satellite/over-the-air receiver. Now days you can get a TV with built in PVR though, as well as Netflix, Amazon VOD, Hulu Plus etc.

But I get why people aren't getting the worthless DVR-receivers the providers offer or why they don't buy those awful DVD's with recording function to record TV, I guess most don't have the ability to record tv any more now when VHS isn't used any longer. Connecting a harddrive to a modern tv should fix that though. Easier then trying to revive an old Betamax at least. I know they wish you shouldn't be able to record digital tv though, but it feels like a step back, and theres some broadcasts with the broadcast flag and 5C encryption in the US from what I have get. To bad.


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