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The Sprint Epic 4G goes on sale today.  (Source: Sprint via Amazon.com)
Sprint customers can get their hands on a truly epic smart phone in every sense of the word

Samsung has already sold 1 million Galaxy S smartphones in the United States, with just the variants on  T-Mobile (branded the "Vibrant") and AT&T (branded the "Captivate").  Now as a launch of Verizon's variant, the "Fascinate", appears to be just weeks away, Sprint has become the third major U.S. carrier to officially open sales of the device.

Sprint's Galaxy S variant, dubbed the Sprint Epic 4G, is a bit different than the rest of the Galaxy S pack.  It's the Galaxy S Pro which means it has a half-width, slide-out physical keyboard, which will delight some disappointed by the lack of a keyboard in other variants.  The phone also adds in some features that were scrapped in the "Vibrant" and "Captivate", namely a front-facing camera for video-calling and a rear-facing LED flash.

On top of those advantages over its Galaxy S brethren, the new phone will be compatible with Sprint's growing fourth generation (4G) wireless network, which employs WiMAX.  Many users are already enjoying this union of that network and another Android smartphone, the HTC EVO 4G.  However, the Epic 4G sports a faster processor than the EVO 4G, so it should offer an even more compelling experience.

The only disappointments initially appeared to be a slightly fatter width due to the extra features and a slightly higher price of $249.99 USD.  Apparently some e-tailers are remedying the latter issue, offering the phone for $199.99 USD.  Both Amazon.com and Wirefly are offering the phone at this rate with free shipping.

The phone is already on sale in Sprint stores and will start shipping immediately.  For customers who want to see more specs, you can visit Sprint's page for the phone, but again beware, you probably don't want to buy it there as Sprint is charging $249.99 USD with a new 2-year-contract.



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RE: +$10 /month
By immortalsly on 8/31/2010 1:19:50 PM , Rating: 2
He's not whining, he's pointing out the fact. And the fact is pretty straightforward for anyone who cares to analyze the fee without instantly blurting "It's still cheaper than so and so". That isn't the point.

The point is this: the $10 "premium data" fee is nothing more than Sprint trying to make more money. You'll pay the fee regardless whether your area has 4G or not (more likely not because it's only in a few cities). How would Droid users or iPhone users feel if they're told they have to pay $10/month extra for their phones because "it's so awesome you're gonna use more data" even though their plans come with unlimited data?

And Sprint's $69.99 Everything Data plan gives you 450-anytime minutes with unlimited data. It does NOT give you unlimited anytime minutes, however, it does give unlimited cell-to-cell minutes.


RE: +$10 /month
By EasyC on 8/31/2010 2:35:08 PM , Rating: 1
Here's something to shut up the people who swallow the 10$.

Sprint's claim to this fee is that you're going to use more data on this phone on 3G (since this ISN'T for 4G *rolleyes*).

My friend picked this phone up today. So I had them do a little test. I got a couple friends (including this one) to download the app Speedtest.net. Since none of us are in a 4G area, here are the results.

Epic: 891 kbps (down) / 451 kbps (up)
Moment: 901 kbps (down) / 439 kbps (up)
Droid: 784 kbps (down) / 444 kbps (up)
Eris: 815 kbps (down) / 395 kbps (up)

So Sprint swallowers, how can you have such an awesome phone use more data if you can't download it faster than any other inferior phone?

I'm not anti-Sprint, I'm anti-fee. I have Sprint and am in the crusade against stupid fees.


RE: +$10 /month
By XSpeedracerX on 8/31/2010 3:37:19 PM , Rating: 2
Here's something to shut up the people who won't stop bitching PMS style about the $10

Sprint: Unlimited data, tethering for 8 devices, 4G speeds (now or later depending on where you live)

AT&T: 1GB cap, $20 just for tethering + $30 data

Verizon: 2GB tethering cap, $20 just for tethering + $30 data or 5GB tethering cap, tethering only to computer through USB, and 49.99 a month (Damn, my unlimited 10Mbit roadrunner is only $44!)

Lets see... extra $10 vs. extra $20 vs. extra $50 if you push it. Guess we know who wins this fight LOL.


RE: +$10 /month
By torpor on 8/31/2010 5:22:35 PM , Rating: 2
More use on the basis of use.

Not more use on the basis of speed - although that will happen, too. Convenience is a strong argument.


RE: +$10 /month
By XSpeedracerX on 8/31/2010 2:56:36 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
He's not whining.


Yeah, he is. New network hardware is not cheap and the money for that nationwide-carrierwide 4G rollout has to come from somewhere. If you have the extra cash for a 4g capable phone, you have an extra $10/mo to pay for the '4G' part.

quote:
And the fact is pretty straightforward for anyone who cares to analyze the fee without instantly blurting "It's still cheaper than so and so". That isn't the point.


Uhh...yeah it is. He's complaining in essence that they're charging too much for their service. That calls into question what others are charging for their service. Turns out even with the $10 charge, its still lower than sprints nearest competitor without 4G. Did I mention unlimited data plus free tethering for five other devices? With the way he's complaining about a measely $10 I bet Viz-ey's tethering fees with the data cap would give this guy a heart attack!

quote:
The point is this: the $10 "premium data" fee is nothing more than Sprint trying to make more money. You'll pay the fee regardless whether your area has 4G or not (more likely not because it's only in a few cities).


Gasp! An american corporation trying to profit off the desireability of their latest and greatest products?! The fiends!!!11eleven!!!!

Yeah, get real. 4G ain't cheap. The 4G radio hardware in the phone itself isn't cheap. Replacing the current 3G network with it isn't cheap. The money has to come from somewhere and why not from those who want their data to come as fast as possible?

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How would Droid users or iPhone users feel if they're told they have to pay $10/month extra for their phones because "it's so awesome you're gonna use more data" even though their plans come with unlimited data?


iPhone users would jump for joy. $10/mo for tethering five devices of their choice on an unlimited data plan would totally kick the crap out of what they get now. ($20/mo just for tethering + $30/mo data plan + 1 GB cap at the max). Droid users have verizon. So, their already feeling the pain. And sprints commited to unlimited, where verizon has stated openly not to expect it when their 4G rollout begins...

Yep. Said it before, I'll say it again. Quit whining.


RE: +$10 /month
By immortalsly on 8/31/2010 4:16:06 PM , Rating: 2
WOW, you really are clueless, aren't you?

quote:

quote:
Uhh...yeah it is. He's complaining in essence that they're charging too much for their service. That calls into question what others are charging for their service. Turns out even with the $10 charge, its still lower than sprints nearest competitor without 4G. Did I mention unlimited data plus free tethering for five other devices? With the way he's complaining about a measely $10 I bet Viz-ey's tethering fees with the data cap would give this guy a heart attack!

iPhone users would jump for joy. $10/mo for tethering five devices of their choice on an unlimited data plan would totally kick the crap out of what they get now. ($20/mo just for tethering + $30/mo data plan + 1 GB cap at the max). Droid users have verizon. So, their already feeling the pain. And sprints commited to unlimited, where verizon has stated openly not to expect it when their 4G rollout begins...


You actually think that Sprint's $69.99 + $10 premium plan will give you tethering? Uh, no. Try another $29.99 for the privilege. http://shop.sprint.com/en/shop/why_sprint/4g/4g_pl...

No one is saying that building a 4G network is cheap. But to whack everyone with the $10 fee even if you're not in a 4G area? That's just wrong.

And btw, Sprint isn't the cheapest: http://pocketnow.com/android/how-much-does-it-cost...

If you're one of those people that will accept any fees and simply roll over, who are we to convince you otherwise?


RE: +$10 /month
By torpor on 8/31/2010 5:27:16 PM , Rating: 3
The epic 4g on my desk, right here, lets me tether one computer via USB.

If I want the Sprint-branded app that lets me broadcast as a WiFi access point, that gets installed when I approve the $30 charge.

So what happens when FroYo hits? What if I get the app somewhere else, like from the actual Android build? Can they stop me?

And yes, so far I'm using way more data than I did on my old smartphone. Based on the nature of what I'm doing, that will definitely continue.

We always talk about how the heaviest users should pay the steepest data fees...well, here I am.


RE: +$10 /month
By XSpeedracerX on 8/31/2010 6:51:57 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
WOW, you really are clueless, aren't you?


Were you looking in the mirror when you said that? I had more to add, but the epic 4G owner pretty much hit it out of the park. You think they don't know about tethering apps and can't tell who's tethered and who's not? Think they can't totally clamp down the phone and make it impossible/expensive for people to tether their laptops and PCs to the phone? Because if you do, AT&T has some swamp water under the Brooklyn bridge to sell you...

quote:
And btw, Sprint isn't the cheapest


Nope. That would be virgin mobile with their $25/mo plan. However nobody said they were, sooo....

quote:
If you're one of those people that will accept any fees and simply roll over, who are we to convince you otherwise?


You're right. I need to join you and the others in the fight for mobile freedom! Guess its time for you to dust off that guy fawks mask and parade about sprint's headquarters holding up an oversized poorly drawn anti-fee slogan and stick it to the man!

Yeah, get real. Let me sum up for you...

AT&T: That will be an extra $30/mo for your iPhone.
You: No problem dude!

Verizon: That will be an extra $40/mo for your droid phone.
You: This isn't a droid. Actually its not even a smartphone, just a feature phone.
Verizon: Oh. Well, still, $40/mo extra.
You: Sweet! Thanks Verizon!

Sprint: That'll be $10/mo extra for your 4G smartphone sir.
You: OMG SPRINT STOP WITH THE EXTRA FEES ALREADY!!11!!!
Me: Quit your whining.


RE: +$10 /month
By ebakke on 8/31/2010 4:21:26 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yep. Said it before, I'll say it again. Quit whining.
You're missing the point entirely. Stop for 30 seconds and read what I have to say before jumping to conclusions and formulating your reply.

I'm not complaining that they're charging too much for their service. They're free to charge whatever they want to charge. (And frankly, I went to Verizon which is pretty much the most expensive carrier out there.)

My complaint is the shady way Sprint is going about this. If they told consumers the fee was for their costs to roll out a 4G network (as you claim that's what it's for - and to be fair, it certainly seems like it is) then I would accept that. If they said it was a rental fee for the phone and that you didn't really own it, I would have a different set of complaints, but ok. If they said "Simply Everything" really isn't everything and it's "Simply Everything for our older phones", I'd be ok with it. Or if they said it was to subsidize the high cost of the phone and it would stop when your contract was up, ok. Or if they actually gave you some "premium data" like exclusive apps or prioritized network traffic, I'd be ok with it. Or if they gave you free WiFi tethering, and didn't charge you $30 more a month for that. Or if they only charged it to the highest volume data users (since they claim they think you'll be using more), then ok. But to tout the phone's features (which consumers will be paying a $200 premium for, mind you) as some kind of "premium data " that can't be found on any other phone with any other carrier, is absurd. The company is trying to hide behind the premium data label without being honest about why they're charging that fee.

But it all reeks of Dan Hesse not wanting to go back on TV and say "I know I said 4G was cheaper for us per GB than 3G, and I know I said it wouldn't cost you any more.... but.... oops! It's gonna be $10/month please."

Now it's fine if you don't have any problem with the way Sprint's going about it, but I'm not. And that's perfectly fine too.


RE: +$10 /month
By XSpeedracerX on 8/31/2010 6:31:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
My complaint is the shady way Sprint is going about this. If they told consumers the fee was for their costs to roll out a 4G network (as you claim that's what it's for - and to be fair, it certainly seems like it is) then I would accept that. If they said it was a rental fee for the phone and that you didn't really own it, I would have a different set of complaints, but ok. If they said "Simply Everything" really isn't everything and it's "Simply Everything for our older phones", I'd be ok with it. Or if they said it was to subsidize the high cost of the phone and it would stop when your contract was up, ok. Or if they actually gave you some "premium data" like exclusive apps or prioritized network traffic, I'd be ok with it. Or if they gave you free WiFi tethering, and didn't charge you $30 more a month for that. Or if they only charged it to the highest volume data users (since they claim they think you'll be using more), then ok. But to tout the phone's features (which consumers will be paying a $200 premium for, mind you) as some kind of "premium data " that can't be found on any other phone with any other carrier, is absurd. The company is trying to hide behind the premium data label without being honest about why they're charging that fee.


'Shady'? Heh-heh. Thats pretty funny. You want shady? I'll give you shady. Over there at Vizey land (and AT&T world as well) you are all paying extra for their 4G roll outs with extra restrictions tacked on to boot and you will get zero access to the speeds their new networks offer 'til you fork out some more cash for a new phone or upgrade which will cost extra. Also, enjoy those 1GB/2GB data caps, which you'll be hitting more frequently at 4G speeds...

With sprint, you buy a 4G phone now, subsidize the rollout of their 4G network and you'll be among the first to get near-broadband speed out of your portable phone thingy. If you have the cash to consider the latest and the greatest, then it stands to reason that $10/mo is hardly a concern to you and, since you obviously want more wireless speed since your buying a 4G phone in the first place, why shouldn't you be made to pay for the network rollout? The alternative is to make everyone pay for something they can't use 'till they pay again. Kind of like what their doing at...uhh...verizon.


RE: +$10 /month
By ryedizzel on 8/31/2010 6:45:24 PM , Rating: 2
XSpeedracerX is retarded.
/end thread


RE: +$10 /month
By XSpeedracerX on 8/31/2010 6:56:25 PM , Rating: 2
Brilliant rebuttle there, genius. I see a physics professor in the making here! But really, why lay out your points in gross detail when just plain old name calling is so much more fun?

P.S. You mother is fat and ugly. And you smell.


RE: +$10 /month
By ebakke on 8/31/2010 6:50:57 PM , Rating: 2
And again, you missed the point entirely. We're done here.


RE: +$10 /month
By eskimospy on 9/1/2010 11:09:38 AM , Rating: 2
True the minutes aren't technically unlimited, but I have to say that at least in my case I generally use about 30-45 minutes of my 450 per month. On a really bad month I think I might have used 300.

So really I believe for most people in average usage scenarios their minutes are for all intents and purposes unlimited.


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