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Best Buy is threatening to sue a Catholic priest over his Beetle that reads "God Squad". Best Buy claims that violates its Geek Squad trademark.  (Source: Flickr)
Best Buy accuses Catholic Priest of violating its trademark and Geek Squad look

Father Luke Strand of the Holy Family Parish in Fond Du Lac, Wisconsin, has a pretty interesting ride.  He drives around town in a black Volkswagen Beetle with a logo featuring the phrase "God Squad" emblazoned on it.  That logo and the vehicle itself bear a striking similarity to the mobile service vehicles of Best Buy's service team, the Geek Squad.

Apparently, Best Buy isn't pleased with its look being appropriated by this man of the cloth.  Lawyers for the electronics retailer sent Father Strand a cease-and-desist letter telling him to ditch the logo or face consequences.  

Father Strand mentioned the letter at his Sunday Mass.

Speaking to the
Fond du Lac Reporter, Father Strand defended the logo.  He says he uses the logo as a creative way to spur discussions and bring his faith to the community.

Best Buy told reporters for the 
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that while it appreciates Father Strand's sentiments, it cannot stand by and watch its trademarks be violated.

The legal dispute revives a long ongoing question of just how much ownership to an icon a company can claim.  Apple, Inc., for example, has been particularly zealous in legally assailing those who supposedly violated its trademark.  From New York City to music festivals, anyone who used the logo of an Apple -- or particularly a logo of an Apple with a bite out of it -- was hit with lawsuits or cease-and-desist letters. 

Some argue that companies are taking trademark enforcement to far; corporate lawyers would obviously disagree.



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RE: Definitely a copy...
By Reclaimer77 on 8/16/2010 7:39:18 PM , Rating: 0
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Priests in Africa teach that condoms spread HIV to their unfortunatly illiterate parishoners. How many millions are dead or dying due to this?


Two minutes on Google and I see this was, of course, a quote from the Pope taken out of context. I also found priests who DISTRIBUTE condoms in Africa. But to say "priests teach you to spread aids" is BS journalism of the worst kind. Preying on weak minds who don't ask questions.

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There is plenty that the Catholics and other Christian organizations have to answer for.


To who? Nobody from the time periods these guys are talking about are even alive. Would a written apology really make everything ok? How about reparations?

Again, bad men did bad things. They just happened to call themselves "Catholic". But to say the entire church is evil because of it is just silly.

I've even heard it said the Catholic church promoted and aided in the Holocaust. I mean, honestly, who comes up with this crap? Not believable AT ALL.

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And thats before we even get into India where the atrocities are horrendous(look up the Baptist Church of Tripura),


Those aren't Catholic, those are Baptists. But even then, this is an accusation that you are asserting as an absolute fact. Backed by obviously biased sources like Christianaggression.com. I can't even find where this has been "reported" by any major or professional news agency. I'm quite alarmed at how easily you apparently believe every single rumor and news story regardless if it's been verified or not.

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And before you accuse me of being Atheist


I'm an Atheist. But I'm not one of those who feels the need to tear down religions and Christians just to make my belief more justified.


RE: Definitely a copy...
By Reflex on 8/16/2010 8:39:44 PM , Rating: 3
Breaking this into three posts to try and avoid the spam filter which keeps flagging me...

Sorry you only took two minutes. A little more research and you'd know otherwise. From this article:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7014335.stm
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Archbishop Chimoio told our reporter that abstention, not condoms, was the best way to fight HIV/Aids.

"Condoms are not sure because I know that there are two countries in Europe, they are making condoms with the virus on purpose," he alleged, refusing to name the countries.

"They want to finish with the African people. This is the programme. They want to colonise until up to now. If we are not careful we will finish in one century's time."


That is the Archbishop in Mozambique. Its not only him either, I know and work with many native Africans, this is what they push and have pushed for decades now. The Pope's comment may or may not have been out of context, I do not know, but the policy, officially or unofficially, is what is being pursued there.


RE: Definitely a copy...
By Reflex on 8/16/2010 8:40:23 PM , Rating: 1
As for the Baptist Church of Tripura, here is just one relevant article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/south_asia/717775...
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Nagmanlal Halam, secretary of the Noapara Baptist Church in Tripura, was arrested late on Monday with a large quantity of explosives.

Mr Sarkar said that allegations about the close links between the state's Baptist Church and the rebel National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) have long been made by political parties and police.

Now for the first time, he said, hard evidence supporting the allegations had been found.

I was not aware of ChristianAggression.com, but I am aware that the US mainstream media does not cover the atrocities committed overseas by Christian denominations. Fortunatly there are other sources for media, such as the BBC, which is considered 'mainstream' even if not US-centric.

You are also correct, these are Baptists, not Catholics, but if you read my post I never obscured that fact.


RE: Definitely a copy...
By Reflex on 8/16/2010 8:41:48 PM , Rating: 1
The Holocaust accusations were not made by myself, I have no idea aside from the fact that some priests, especially in France, were complicit to a degree. However you may wish to look at the role the Catholic's played in Franco's Spain for clearer connections to modern atrocities. Read the link here for more info:
(apparantly this is the link its flagging as spam, complete the address on your own) countrystudies.us/spain/22.htm

I never said the church is inherantly evil, that is an attempt to mischaractorize my argument. I am a Christian myself, obviously I feel the faith does good work. However many of its members are perfectly willing to condemn extremists in other faiths, while ignoring extremists of our own faith. The proper response to this can be found in Matthew 7:
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1“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.


RE: Definitely a copy...
By FITCamaro on 8/16/10, Rating: 0
RE: Definitely a copy...
By Reflex on 8/17/2010 4:24:53 AM , Rating: 1
He isn't a crazy person. He is the Archbishop for Mozambique, a major African nation. Furthermore, if you know people who actually live there, they will tell you that the Catholic churches preach this in their sermons routinely, and even try to arrange protests at family planning centers. Whether or not you think he's crazy, what matters is what his illiterate followers think. Note that the Catholic church has done *nothing* to remove or discredit him, and he's been saying this for years now.

As for the millions they have given food shelter and clothes to, whats your point? That because they do good in some ways they must be absolved of something horribly evil they commit?

And its a far cry from saying "Abstinence is better" to go to "Condoms are soaked in HIV so that the colonialists can take control again".


RE: Definitely a copy...
By tmouse on 8/17/2010 8:32:08 AM , Rating: 3
I work for a major Jewish research center and I personally know dozens of scientists who are not catholic who work closely with the catholic church because many of the leaders in South America and Africa are so corrupt they take the medications and vaccines and sell them on the black market for their own profit. Many demand personal payment to institute vaccine programs, others are not really in charge at all and in at least 5 cases I personally know of millions of dollars of vaccines were left to rot when shipments got “lost”, mishandled or were simply abandoned. The sisters of charity have helped millions worldwide, working in some of the worst places on earth. I work with many people who have come from some of the most impoverished places in the world and would not be the successful bioresearchers they are today if it were not for the education they received from the Catholic Church. From a biological point of view abstainence IS better than a condom but that is really not a practical view. People should know that condoms are only 98% effective at preventing pregnancy if used correctly; a sperm is more than 400X the size of the aids virus. There is a 3-5% production failure rate in the best of circumstances, no condom company tests for viral exclusion, and latex becomes fragile and porous with age. Of course we all know that only latex condoms help with the prevention of disease, natural ones are totally useless. It’s MUCH better to use condoms but no one should think it is in any way a guarantee of protection from viral diseases.


RE: Definitely a copy...
By Reflex on 8/17/2010 12:17:31 PM , Rating: 1
Fantastic. Be that as it may, how does that excuse the fact that condoms are actually wonderful at preventing HIV(the 'failure' ratio is usually due to the condom being improperly applied or breaking, not due to the size of sperm, or HIV, latex protects from the virus perfectly as long as there is no failure) and this archbishop is telling people that condoms give them HIV?

Yes its wonderful that the church is sometimes less corrupt than the government. But no one is contending that fact. The governments in Africa are horribly corrupt, they are often complicit in the HIV epidemic(as witnessed by South Africa's goverment's attempts to treat it with tribal medicine), but that does not somehow refute the point that the church is directly contributing to the death of its members by lying about the role of contraception in preventing HIV infections, and that by so doing millions are dying.


RE: Definitely a copy...
By Reclaimer77 on 8/17/2010 1:59:48 AM , Rating: 2
You said MILLIONS were dead and dying because Catholic priests said this. Those are YOUR words. And your proof that this is an official Catholic policy is the words of one, obviously, nutty guy.

Yup, millions dead because of advocating for abstinence. That makes a lot of sense man, really.

From your link:
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the Catholic Church played a leading role in sponsoring the 1992 peace deal that ended a 16-year civil war.


Yeah, just more evidence of all the evils of the Catholic church and their quest to further pile up body counts...oh wait.

I guess bloody civil wars are no match against the sheer destructive force of abstinence on a population.


RE: Definitely a copy...
By Reflex on 8/17/2010 4:29:12 AM , Rating: 2
So you concede my points then and now its just about numbers.

Mozambique has a population of 22 million, of which at least seven million are Catholic. The HIV infection rate is 16.2% of the population, or a bit more than 3 million people. Of those, at least a third are likely Catholic, although given how they are being taught it would not suprise me if they represented a disproportionate number of the total.

So we have one million on a conservative estimate. In one single African country. How much more math do you want to do?


RE: Definitely a copy...
By Reclaimer77 on 8/17/2010 1:58:38 PM , Rating: 2
Oh come on, there is NO way you can attribute people getting HIV to the words and teachings of one or two loony's. That's SO irresponsible. Much less millions of people.

Unless you get raped or suffer a freak blood transfusion incident, getting HIV/AID's is 100% your fault. Especially in Africa!

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So you concede my points


You saw concessions in my post? Really?

It's clear that you, like many here, have some grudge against the Catholic church and are REALLY reaching to make your point. Blaming the African HIV epidemic on any one group is just absurd, especially the church.


RE: Definitely a copy...
By Reflex on 8/17/2010 3:30:29 PM , Rating: 4
You keep saying the guy is a loony. He is not. He is an archbishop and directly in charge of the Catholic church in that nation. They could remove him from his post if they felt he was not properly sending their message, but they do not even in the face of direct protest.

As to your other point, do you honestly believe the wives of men who acquire HIV are to blame for getting the virus? How about the children of those women? Are they to blame for being born with it? At this point they represent the majority of the victims.

And yes, I see concessions when you cease actually addressing the fact that I discredited your attempted rebuttal of my points and instead started trying to prove that my 'millions' figure was inaccurate. That means you are not willing to argue the facts presented and instead just want to diminish the crime committed. Nice try, but I already found a million victims in just one nation. Going to own up to the fact that you were wrong about Catholic leaders in Africa? Going to own up to the fact that the international mainstream news has been covering the Baptist Church of Tripura, and one dosen't have to go to whatever that website was to find such coverage?

Or do I have to do all your research for you while you reply with a couple of dismissive paragraphs and arguments about scope?


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