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Traffic cops in one small Tenessee town have written a lot of traffic tickets so far this year using a new automated system. In total over 7,300 tickets have been issued.  (Source: Deadline Scotland)
Tennessee town of 17,000 has issued over 7,300 traffic tickets in half year since adopting system

The town of Farragut, Tennessee created quite a stir when it decided [PDF] back in 2006 to look at adopting an automated system to "watch" its town's drivers and automatically give them tickets for running red lights.  The system was finally contracted in 2009 to Redflex INC.  The system was completed in August 2009 with three cameras, and a fourth camera went online this summer.

The early statistics have been released by the town and they're either a staggering statement to how blatantly the town's population violates the law or how automated traffic enforcement systems may be much more active than expected.

In the first and second quarters, 7,168 and 7,213 incidents respectively were recorded by the cameras.  In total, 3,515 and 3,873 citations respectively were issued in the two quarters.  That's about 45 citations a day, or roughly 14 per camera per day (before the fourth camera came online).

To give a further breakdown, for the second quarter, 2,673 of the 7,213 incidents were rejected after review by an officer.  Another 662 incidents were not processed "due to technical issues or lack of information."  And the remaining incidents, as mentioned resulted in citations

Citizens have found it increasingly hard to argue their innocence in the face of glaring video evidence.  This is especially true in the case of rolling stops (slowing, but not fully stopping when turning at a red light).  Some citizens insisted their innocence, but when showed the video gave up their claims, according to the cops.

Perhaps the good thing for citizens is that the citation is merely a non-moving violation, which carries no points and thus does not raise drivers' insurance.  It weighs in at $50 USD per ticket.  The perhaps interesting part is that the language used by various towns in the state indicate that there's a lower standard of Constitutional protections with such systems.  Lawyers for the towns of Chattanooga and Red Bank (where a similar system is deployed) write, "[Drivers] are not entitled to a trial by jury, a presumption of innocence or a heightened burden of proof."

That's typical for civil offenses, which bear a lower burden of proof.  But its atypical for traffic violations, which often carry a presumption of innocence and allow citizens to request a trial by jury.  The shift is likely due to the light penalty associated with the ticket, but it's worrisome because that penalty could be bumped at some point to a full moving violation.

Two $10M USD suits about the system are pending.  However, these suits, which will be heard in court on September 20, seem unlikely to succeed.  After all, the Tennessee Court of Appeals recently denied complaints about Knoxville, Tennessee's similar camera system.

Another concern is the reliability of such systems.  Students in 2008 in Montgomery County, Maryland used fake license plates to spoof similar systems which gave speeding tickets.  The result was multiple people they pranked receiving traffic fines.

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RE: Maybe I missed them...
By tmouse on 7/29/2010 1:05:43 PM , Rating: 3
I know: How much distance I need to stop from every speed 10mph from 100mph

I have to call BS on that statement. I'm sure you can calculate it but I seriously doubt you KNOW EVERY distance at EVERY speed including alterations in EVERY road condition, which you claim in the next sentence. I seriously doubt you know the EXACT speed you are going unless you have a digital speedometer and even then you would be looking at that instead of the intersection which dosen't qualify as 100% focused.

Keep in mind yellow light durations vary considerably, where I live its 8-10 seconds, where I work its 2-3 seconds. How do you know the durations in areas you have never been in? There are times where accidents could be avoided by NOT suddenly stopping, even IF you are driving "100% focused" you CANNOT control the guy behind you, you can be dead right and stil end up just as dead when they hit you. I do not defend running lights but things are most certainly NOT black and white as you feel.

RE: Maybe I missed them...
By fic2 on 7/29/2010 3:07:57 PM , Rating: 2
He also implies that he always knows the exact distance he is to every intersection.

RE: Maybe I missed them...
By Iaiken on 7/29/2010 3:23:23 PM , Rating: 3
YOU can play with literalism all you want if it makes you happy.

I've got a pretty good idea how far 250ft is and that I need every foot of it to bring my car to a complete stop from 100mph on dry pavement.

I'm not talking about stupid classroom theory crap, I am talking hour after hour on a skid-pad with some pylons in the summer, rain(simulated) and winter.

As for the guy behind you, I have avoided getting rear ended by using my rear view mirror while I brake. On one instance, I wound up sitting in the crosswalk in front of the car to my left so that the idiot behind me could run the red.

RE: Maybe I missed them...
By tmouse on 7/30/2010 8:06:55 AM , Rating: 3
It's not a question of literalism, YOU said "I KNOW" every this and every that. Ok so you’re a safe driver but you statements make you come off as a "holier than tho" self righteous total prig. Are there a lot of really poor drivers, sure, I drive 120 miles per day so I have seen REALLY STUPID driving, I could write a book. Even in your lower posts you use generalizations, 3 sec on dry pavement is meaningless unless you state your speed. You use the term "pretty good" now but above you said you "KNOW, at EVERY speed between 10-100". While I agree with your sentiments in numerous posts you appear to be calling the vast majority fools while proclaiming your excellence. While I consider myself a reasonably safe driver (over 1.5 million miles with only one under 5mph bump and 1 speeding ticket) I have done a few things that were shall we say less than smart at the time, ANYONE who drives a lot has.

Your rearview mirror retort is equally lame, "use the rearview mirror" I do. As a matter of fact the one "accident" I had I was stopped in the left turn lane waiting for the light, I hear breaks squeal and guess what happened? Just using a mirror is FAR from an assured way to avoid that kind of an accident. In your own example you were lucky the guy on your left had stopped on time so you could be in front of him, if he was already stopped (as in a left turn lane) then you must have pulled into the intersection and been a potential hazard to the oncoming cross traffic. IF you were in the right lane would you have jumped the curb or shifted into the left lane? What would have happened if there was someone crossing the crosswalk or entering the intersection? Fact is rarely in those cases do you have ANY control of what goes down.

RE: Maybe I missed them...
By mindless1 on 7/30/2010 10:54:05 AM , Rating: 2
You've been caught in a lie, just accept that. Any driver who has a fair amount of time behind the wheel of the same car has a rough idea how far it will take them to stop, how long to get up to speed... you were trying to pretend you have some extra special super powers instead.

Hour after hour on a skid-pad doesn't do anything to help you deal with dissimilar situations where the main problem is other people doing unpredictable things. You act as though maneuvering the pad matters then concede you went out of bounds to avoid being rear-ended. Clear contradiction, and pretty darn selfish if someone happened to be jogging along and you didn't see them because you were looking in your rear view mirror so you plowed into them trying to save your precious car.

Maybe you should just go back to driving school and focus on the basics.

RE: Maybe I missed them...
By menace on 7/29/2010 6:15:31 PM , Rating: 2
He is the Rain Man of the DMV

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