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Sony announces no 1080p resolution for 3D games on PS3; will leave strictly in 720p.

According to Joystiq , PlayStation 3 games in 3D will have their HD resolution capped. While demonstrating the newest version of the system at the Develop Conference,  Sony representative Simon Benson announced that games that run at 1080p resolution will be downscaled in 3D mode -- per eye -- to 720p.  

Speaking to
Joystiq, Benson stated that although the PS3 has the capability of displaying a 1080p image, a  resolution higher than 720p has been restricted because Sony contends that a higher frame rate would impact the quality of viewing.  

Blu-ray movies will retain the 1080p resolution.  Blu-rays run at 24 frames per second, but games run at 60 frames per second -- upping the resolution for games would compromise the smoothness of the frames.  While a "more cinematic game" could be equipped to handle the 1080p resolution at the cost of frames, Sony's current guidelines won't allow users to change settings, Benson said.

A true 1080p image consists of 2M individual pixels, about twice the amount shown in a 720p image. Benson added that even trained computer graphic artist could barely tell the difference between resolutions.

On the Newbies Inc. website, Benson indicated that  that online gamers with a 3D TV may have a competitive advantage over those playing on HD sets.

"It all depends on the gamers to be honest. Initially we were slightly concerned about this because we were thinking, what if it makes it twice as easy or something like that."

He also stated that 3D can have the effect of making games more accessible for inexperienced players.

"I think what’s basically going to happen is that anyone who has stereoscopic 3D televisions and, for example, is playing a driving game, I would imagine you’re likely to find that the accessibility level is higher, that people would generally perform better on their first go. But I think at the high end with the hardcore gamers you’ll still see a [3D] advantage there, potentially, but the margins will be far smaller."



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RE: there is a diff?
By makius on 7/19/2010 3:07:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I've never compared 720p to 1080p but if its anything like 1280x720 versus 1920x1080 LCD resolutions, then there is a HUGE difference.


That's exactly what 720p is. And yes there is a huge difference. I'm not sure what Benson was smoking when he said you can barely tell the difference between 720p and 1080p.

However, I can understand the reason they would limit the resolution for 3D gaming on these current gen consoles. The PS3 and 360 just don't have the hardware to properly render stereoscopic 3D gaming environments at high resolutions in real time. Although I still think 3D is just a giant gimmick and won't be wasting my time or money on it.


RE: there is a diff?
By mckirkus on 7/19/2010 3:13:06 PM , Rating: 3
It's easy to see when reading text but a bit harder to see when watching video, especially super compressed HD tv broadcasts. It's easy to spot the difference with a big tv and a blu-ray player.


RE: there is a diff?
By Mitch101 on 7/20/2010 8:42:10 AM , Rating: 3
The viewing distance and screen size plays a huge roll in this as well. If you have a 42" screen and sit back 15' I bet it would be difficult to tell the difference. Probably the most likely scenario why people are satisfied with DVD still.


RE: there is a diff?
By tastyratz on 7/20/2010 2:23:09 PM , Rating: 1
more than bet, its beyond the perceived resolution of the human eye at that distance and size tv with 20/20 vision. Any differences you are seeing is in the SCALER and compression. Modern video deivery (read: cable/sat) compress their signal so far beyond bluray that you will see a huge difference there (think 4gb movie vs 40gb movie).
What people are usually seeing is that since modern flat panels are fixed pixel displays a 1080p image looks best on a 1080p tv, and 720p on 720p tv, etc.

Your average videophile couldn't pick out a 1080p vs 720p signal on a GOOD set from a normal viewing distance under a 50 inch display.

Hell most people cant spot the difference between a 300dpi or 150dpi 4x6 photo print at normal viewing distances.

Isn't the marketing placebo effect grand?


RE: there is a diff?
By tastyratz on 7/21/2010 8:59:11 AM , Rating: 2
aww a down vote.
But hey don't take my word on it, try cnet:
http://reviews.cnet.com/720p-vs-1080p-hdtv/
quote:
Whether you're dealing with 1080p/24 or standard 1080p/60, doesn't alter our overall views about 1080p TVs. We still believe that when you're dealing with TVs 50 inches and smaller, the added resolution has only a very minor impact on picture quality. In our tests, we put 720p (or 768p) sets next to 1080p sets, then feed them both the same source material, whether it's 1080i or 1080p, from the highest-quality Blu-ray player. We typically watch both sets for a while, with eyes darting back and forth between the two, looking for differences in the most-detailed sections, such as hair, textures of fabric, and grassy plains. Bottom line: It's almost always very difficult to see any difference--especially from farther than 8 feet away on a 50-inch TV.


or pc magazine:
http://blogs.pcmag.com/miller/2010/02/displays_doe...
quote:
Of the 64 participants, 59 percent said they preferred the 1080p set.

I would hardly call 59% an overwhelming majority. With 2 sets to pick from it leaves a lot of room and is almost break even. It goes to show however that the difference is not what people think of it as

Note both of these tests involved a 1080p source bluray signal which means the 720p sets are scaling to begin with (where the perceived quality loss is on a lower end tv usually)


RE: there is a diff?
By Alexvrb on 7/19/2010 8:47:05 PM , Rating: 2
Hmm, what about games that run in 2D mode in 720p (or less...)? Are they going to run in stereoscopic 480p? :P


RE: there is a diff?
By afkrotch on 7/19/2010 9:00:47 PM , Rating: 2
If it's a 720p game, upscaled to 1080p, then what is the difference? It's not like the console is going to let me increase my POV to make use of the higher resolution.


RE: there is a diff?
By someguy123 on 7/19/2010 9:18:32 PM , Rating: 2
Increased resolution isn't necessarily linked to increased viewable area in-game.

The benefit of higher resolution is clearer picture and reduced aliasing. On a smaller screen 720p runs fine, but on larger screens it's quite a bit more jagged (and/or blurry if you upscale) than 1080p.


RE: there is a diff?
By driver01z on 7/20/2010 1:06:10 PM , Rating: 2
For me the difference depends - typically yes, it is noticable, because typically I'm playing a game and you notice more aliasing in 720p. If the game has good anti-aliasing though, then its possible for me to not notice a difference.


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