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Apple's Steve Jobs

Google's Larry Page  (Source: Latest Technology News)
Larry Page tries to set the record straight with regards to Android

It's no secret that the relationship between Apple and Google is a bit rocky to say the least. While the two companies forged a partnership with the launch of the original iPhone (Google makes its presence known on the iPhone via Mobile Safari search, YouTube app, and Maps app), Steve Jobs over the past six months or so has been growing a bit resentful of Google's rise to power with its Android mobile operating system.

However, Google's Larry Page now contends that Jobs' anger is misplaced. While speaking at the Allen & Co conference this week in Silicon Valley, Page stated, "We had been working on Android a very long time, with the notion of producing phones that are Internet enabled and have good browsers and all that because that did not exist in the marketplace."

"I think that characterization of us entering after is not really reasonable."

Page then went on to say that Jobs' characterization of the events that took place leading up to Google's release of Android OS as "a little bit of rewriting history."

Earlier this year, Steve Jobs went on a rampage at an Apple Town hall stating that Google's "Don’t Be Evil Mantra Is Bulls**t" -- another source contends that Jobs said that "a load of crap" was the actual statement used, but you get the point.

Last month at the All Things D conference, Jobs again touched on the Google subject stating, "They decided to compete with us. We didn't go into the search business!" 

Despite the difference of opinion on Google' motives for Android, Google CEO (and former Apple board member) Eric Schmidt also weighed in stating that the two companies still have a strong partnership with the iPhone. And just this past March, Jobs and Schmidt were seen canoodling outside a cafe in Palo Alto, California.



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RE: How does it feel, Apple?
By Tony Swash on 7/9/2010 6:16:12 PM , Rating: 0
Google bought Android in 2005 and the iPhone wasn’t unveiled until January 2007. No one disputes that.

Apple became pissed off not because Google got into the phone business, period but because they got into the iPhone’s segment of the phone business.

This is what Android looked like in 2007.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/12/a-visual-tour-o...

Here’s an actual hardware prototype from then.

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/android-hardware-in-the...

It didn’t look anything like an iPhone, nor like anything Apple would ever be interested in making. It looked like a BlackBerry or Windows Mobile phone — hardware keyboards and non-touch screens.

Look at those 2007 Android designs compared to the original 2007 iPhone.
Now compare a 2010 Android design to a current iPhone. Don’t tell me Google’s mobile strategy hasn’t changed as a result of the success of Apple's iPhone.

And while Google were changing course to clone the iPhone interface Eric Schmidt quietly sat on the Apple Board - apparently doing no evil.


RE: How does it feel, Apple?
By bbomb on 7/9/10, Rating: -1
RE: How does it feel, Apple?
By Darkskypoet on 7/9/2010 8:11:01 PM , Rating: 5
Sorry.. But I call Bullsh** to that comment. Long before you could buy an iPhone, Palm made 'THE' smart phone... I was using my Treo 650 with touch screen... And uh lets see:

Spreadsheet to create and email invoices to clients
Music playing from flash and from expansion SDCard
Could play divx via a 3rd party media player from SDCard
Could SMS, MMS, etc from phone... Just no Wifi support..

But wait that was what, 5 years ago now? iPhone wasn't revolutionary.. just a pretty package that included everyone else's stuff.


RE: How does it feel, Apple?
By Tony Swash on 7/9/10, Rating: -1
RE: How does it feel, Apple?
By Darkskypoet on 7/9/2010 8:48:47 PM , Rating: 5
Not really...

Take a look at the original Palm hand helds... Full touch screen? Yep. Hand writing interface? Yep. Could we consider that a form of gesturing or multi-touch? sure. But really I mean if you don't believe me.. take a look here:

"http://members.shaw.ca/guis/palmos41.html"

Or better still, you think apple invented the full touch screen look?

"http://www.pencomputing.com/images/tungsten_t5_rig..."

I mean come on... You can say Apple has a pretty O/S, and that an App store isn't just a commercialized package repository that *nix users have been utilizing FOREVER... but please don't try even try to tell me with a straight face that Apple did anything first... It simply bundled what others had already done the major R&D on, with a certain balance of compromises that others hadn't tried yet.


RE: How does it feel, Apple?
By Darkskypoet on 7/9/2010 8:50:35 PM , Rating: 2
Another link... apparently 3 links is:
"This comment is apparently spam and we do not allow spam comments."

And just a nice shot covering the range:

http://www.totalpda.co.uk/img/blog/palm-cashback-m...


RE: How does it feel, Apple?
By Tony Swash on 7/10/10, Rating: -1
RE: How does it feel, Apple?
By sprockkets on 7/9/2010 9:23:01 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Sorry.. But I call Bullsh** to that comment. Long before you could buy an iPhone, Palm made 'THE' smart phone... I was using my Treo 650 with touch screen... And uh lets see:


Yeah, and uh, who made the Treo? Here's a hint, it wasn't Palm...

quote:
Spreadsheet to create and email invoices to clients


You give credit to palm when that was docs to go?
I've used Multimail, and it wasn't till the last version it became halfway stable.

quote:
Music playing from flash and from expansion SDCard


Which we can perhaps credit that to WM before palm. But, you can't compare that to the integration that itunes offers.

quote:
Could play divx via a 3rd party media player from SDCard


Yeah, TCPMP was awesome. But you can't compare third party offerings as a claim to palm either.

quote:
Could SMS, MMS, etc from phone... Just no Wifi support..


Yeah, why wasn't their wifi? Palm said it was because no one wanted it - which is BS. How did people react when wifi was denied on the BB bold on Verizon?

Why no mp3 ringtones without a 3rd party hack? At least the netfront browser blew IE mobile away.

You like the small keyboard/stylus approach? Those innovations belong to the 90s. I liked my LifeDrive, but losing the original stylus was annoying, since Palm's own replacements were junky compared to the original.

quote:
But wait that was what, 5 years ago now? iPhone wasn't revolutionary.. just a pretty package that included everyone else's stuff.


So where exactly is Apple's Graffiti in the iphone?


RE: How does it feel, Apple?
By Darkskypoet on 7/9/2010 11:40:51 PM , Rating: 4
Actually, it was Palm that made the Treo.. My Treo ran Palm OS, it was a Palm device... As much as the iPhone is an Apple device, and not Foxconn's.

You're missing the entire point however I fear.

Palm never sued anyone for releasing apps for their hardware.. It was encouraged. The strength in the Palm OS scape, that is sadly neutered with the iPhone with Apple controlling all, is that I didn't have to hack my device to install any 3rd party app I wanted.

Also Apple doesn't make every app for the iPhone, it is 3rd parties that have made the App Store as good and bad as it is. So are we then saying these 3rd party apps can't be counted as part of the iPhone experience?

The iPhone is an iPod with a GSM radio and wifi... so yes naturally the music integration is wonderful, however that does not a smart phone make.

All I am saying, is that allowing for hardware changes over the past 5-6 years my PALM Treo 650 could do everything the iPhone does, and more. The iPhone does it faster, prettier, with a larger screen, and has a far better browsing experience. HOWEVER: 5+ years later in this market segment? It damn well should!

Besides which... cut and paste and tethering came standard with my treo 650 in like 2005/6... I had to wait for various firmware upgrades from Apple before my iPhone 3G could do it in 2009. Srsly? Sad.


RE: How does it feel, Apple?
By sprockkets on 7/10/10, Rating: -1
RE: How does it feel, Apple?
By nafhan on 7/12/2010 9:47:13 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
No, you are missing the point, because Handspring made the Treo and the whole expansion scheme.
Funny thing about your example is the whole Palm/Handspring thing has some striking similarities to the Apple/Nextstep thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handspring_(company)


RE: How does it feel, Apple?
By themaster08 on 7/10/2010 2:14:10 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
we would all be on 1" monochrome screens on phones that do nothing but make calls.
As opposed to 3.5" IPS panel screens on phones that do everything but make calls?


RE: How does it feel, Apple?
By Helbore on 7/10/2010 12:35:59 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, do people really believe this "there was no smartphone before the iPhone" bullshit? I owned touchscreen smartphones 5 years before the iPhone ever came out.

And before you say "but the iPhone revolutionised the interface" every smartphone every year brought new improvements to the design. Yes, the iPhone in 2007 had a better interface than my WinMo phone I bought 5 years earlier. THat's what 5 years of improved development and hardware capabilites do for you. It would be like saying a Cor 2 Duo PC is better than a 486, therefore the Core 2 Duo revolutionised computers. Of course new tech is better than old tech (one would hope, anyway)

The iPhone was not the first phone with a larger than 1" screen. It wasn't the first with a colour screen. It wasn't even first with a touchscreen. I should also add that the iPhone 1 couldn't even install apps, whilst every other smartphone could, so it sure as hell wasn't the first to do something other than make calls.

But you just go on comparing the iPhone to a Nokia 3310 and keep believing it was the revolution is was. It makes no-one look stupid but you.


RE: How does it feel, Apple?
By rocky12345 on 7/9/2010 9:54:32 PM , Rating: 2
So what your saying is because Apple is making a product that no one else can make a product that competes with the Apple product. Did I read that write? Hate to tell you this but that is what makes the world go around is when companies compete with one another in a market. Just because Apple made a phone does not mean that no one else can. maybe in little steves mind that is true but in the real world not so much.

Also Apple never invented the smartphone that was done way before Apple thought of it. All Apple did was change the looks a bit & give the phone a snazzy screen well ok a low res screen & called it the greatest thing since sliced bread. All of what Apple did was takes ideas that other companies had thought of already & put them together to make a phone. Hell even the iPhone name was stolen by Apple Linksys had iPhone products out on the market way before Apple even thought of calling their phone iPhone. Apple knew Linksys was selling iPhone product also but just released their phone under that name anyways.


RE: How does it feel, Apple?
By Tony Swash on 7/10/2010 10:13:34 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
So what your saying is because Apple is making a product that no one else can make a product that competes with the Apple product.


No am not saying that. Google is free to compete with Apple as is everyone else. My comment is about the substance of this article.

What I am saying is that Larry Page is wrong and Steve Jobs is right in relation to their accounts of the relationship between the iPhone and the latter Android interface..

I am saying that there is ample evidence to strongly suggest that Google changed its design for the Android interface after the iPhone came out to more closely resemble the iPhone.

I also have been making the point that Eric Schmidt, the Google CEO, was sitting on Apple's board whilst this was happening, behaviour which is at least questionable in my view.


RE: How does it feel, Apple?
By Reclaimer77 on 7/10/2010 12:03:51 PM , Rating: 2
Ok even if you and Jobs are right? Who gives a shit?

Did the CEO of Honda blast other car makers for coming out with hybrids too? Does the CEO of Porsche cry about other companies using high performance Bosch parts? Did Henry Ford blast everyone who came out with cars besides Ford??

WOW Tony, you mean companies respond to competition, what the consumer is buying, and other market forces? HOLY SHIT!! You just solved the criminal case of the century! You're a goddamn genius. Please link your published paper on such an amazing observation that nobody's ever thought of before.

Seriously watching you argue such a retarded position is like, well, watching retards fight. I guess everyone besides Apple should just stop making smart-phones this fucking instant, right? Or they should purposely use interfaces the consumers don't want because Jobs might accuse you of copying him!


RE: How does it feel, Apple?
By sprockkets on 7/10/10, Rating: 0
RE: How does it feel, Apple?
By Tony Swash on 7/11/10, Rating: 0
RE: How does it feel, Apple?
By Reclaimer77 on 7/11/2010 4:30:07 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Google then held its annual development conference earlier this year when its senior executives repeatedly attacked Apple and made it plain that they saw Apple as some sort of enemy.


Apple is EVERYONE'S enemy right now because of Steve Jobs and his maniacal assault on open platforms in his attempt to lock-down the entire world. I mean for fucks sake, how many lawsuits has Apple filed this year alone for bullshit anyway?


RE: How does it feel, Apple?
By Tony Swash on 7/11/10, Rating: 0
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