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Only approximately 1 percent of the world's population scores a 140 or higher on IQ tests.  (Source: Talking Rainbow)
Says lower IQ rates will help it deal with smaller U.S. talent pool

The U.S. has arguably been the most desirable place in the world to get a college education with international students from China, India, Japan, and others all traveling to the U.S. with that express purpose.  However, there's serious signs of trouble; U.S. citizens' college graduation rates are in danger of falling behind China.  Japanese enrollment is down as U.S. universities are slowly falling out of favor.  And at least one executive of an Indian firm complained that American graduates were "unemployable".

Adding to the list of awkward statistics is a recent announcement by Bleum Inc., a Chinese outsourcing company.  In China, with a deluge of available highly-intelligent graduates, Bleum Inc. requires that its workers score over 140 on an IQ test.

When it decided to recruit American computer science graduates, though, it decided that bar was way too high.  It dropped the requirement for the Americans down to 120, a move it says reflects a lower pool of talented college grads in the U.S.

Bleum says the move is meant as no affront to the U.S.  Its founder and CEO Eric Rongley is actually an American himself.  He says that in China his firm gets thousands of applications a week from eager college grads.  With about 1,000 employees, his firm hires less than 1 percent of those who apply.  He states, "It is much harder to get into Bleum than it is to Harvard."

Rongley has been targeting U.S. college grads in Atlanta, Chicago and Denver for positions.  After passing the lower IQ test, U.S. grads must next pass a skills test -- just like their Chinese peers.  The recruiting effort has already yielded its first five employees, who just embarked to Shanghai.  They will spend a year-long stint in China and then return to the U.S.

Dennis Garlick, a post-doctoral researcher at the University of California, Los Angeles, and author of an upcoming book called 
Intelligence and the Brain, says such tests are relatively commonplace, but are a mixed bag.  He states that the difficulty arises "because an IQ test measures abstract reasoning in a general context, and on-the-job performance requires abstract reasoning in a specific context."

But he adds, "[If a candidate scores high,] you can reasonably say that the person is likely to be able to understand typical abstract concepts as they are applied in business, understand instructions, follow them, and then generalize them in a new situation."

Is it a disappointing sign that there's less American grads that meet the IQ requirements (according to Bleum) than Chinese grads?  Or is that merely a sign that few U.S. grads are interested in applying a job overseas?  Either way, Bleum's openness about its hiring policies raises interesting questions about the U.S. and graduation, in a time when that issue remains a key concern.



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High intelligence seems to be shunned in the US.
By 91TTZ on 7/8/2010 10:17:27 AM , Rating: 5
When I was a kid in school, I'd have no problem passing the tests even without doing the homework. The teachers would fail me because it "wasn't fair" to the other students that I could go home and play after school but still excel at the curriculum. Hence, poor grades.

They took me out of class to meet with counselors and I had to take IQ tests to determine my placement. I scored 143 so I was put in the honors section and the gifted program, but that seemed to create resentment with some of my peers and even some teachers.

It seems that in the US, we've lost sight of what really matters when it comes to education. We seem to like the social aspect of it but the actual education has fallen by the wayside. We're afraid of failing people for not knowing the subject material. We glorify the act of trying hard (that person's intense and dedicated!), but we vilify the act of excelling at the subject material (that person's a total geek, a loser!).

We instill confidence in our children, but don't increase the capabilities that need to go with it. We forget to tell them that the very act of being confident used to represent that someone knew what they were doing. Now we teach blind confidence, the art of acting confident even when they're clueless. We're more concerned about perception than reality.

It doesn't surprise me at all that the US is falling behind compared to countries that fail kids who can't master their academics.




By mckirkus on 7/8/2010 10:41:21 AM , Rating: 5
Hard work should matter. Smart people have a problem in that they don't have to work as hard to get ahead. This can lead to problems down the road when brains and hard work are both required. They were probably trying to instil work ethic.


By JediJeb on 7/8/2010 3:10:39 PM , Rating: 5
But when someone is mentally gifted you instill a stronger work ethic by challenging them with more difficult work, not just more work.

I agree with the OP though, it seems that today someone who is a gifted athlete is praised even if they are dumb as a box of rocks( and no I know many athletes that are very intelligent) while those who are gifted mentally are looked down upon. It is total discrimination to hold someone back who could be performing at a much higher level just to keep those who perform at a lower level from feeling bad about themselves. We fight discrimination against those who are mentally handicapped, yet we promote discrimination against those who are highly intelligent.

Not everyone is equal in every way. The world needs to get over this idea that everyone should be be equal even if you have to hold people down to make it happen.


By Lerianis on 7/8/2010 8:44:37 PM , Rating: 2
Right in one. Personally, I was tested as having an IQ of 150+ (they didn't have a scale that went any higher 23 years ago when I was tested).

Why did I have 'problems' in school? Because they were trying to 'teach' me things I already knew! When they finally realized that and started challenging me more by giving me stuff I didn't know to learn.... wow, my school problems stopped!

Our school systems are made for the middle 20% of people.... not for the other 40% who are below average or the 40% who are above average in intelligence and learning ability.

Not to mention they don't take into account people like myself who were extremely intelligent, yet had other problems, such as my writing disability (which has gotten worse over time, to the point where I cannot even read my own handwriting) and Apberger's Syndrome (mild, but still causes problems).


RE: High intelligence seems to be shunned in the US.
By crleap on 7/8/10, Rating: -1
By crleap on 7/12/2010 1:10:16 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, for the morons who rated down, I assume because you didn't understand what I was getting at... it's actually called Asperger's syndrome. There is no such thing as "Apbergers". But I suppose you probably knew that and hit the rate down button for another reason, right?


By YashBudini on 7/9/2010 11:43:28 PM , Rating: 1
"But when someone is mentally gifted you instill a stronger work ethic by challenging them with more difficult work, not just more work."

It must have purpose, else the person will not meet the challenge.


By TSS on 7/8/2010 9:11:50 PM , Rating: 3
This is a western culture problem not just an american one.

I'm Dutch and when i was 13, i was in my 2nd freshman year in the highest level of eduction in highschool. Most of the stuff bored me but i always liked history lessons. The 1st year was interesting (and we had a great teacher), so i happely started working ahead as soon as the 2nd year started.

After 1 month, the teacher asked why i wasn't doing anything in class, and i responded that i was already 2 months ahead (3 months of work done, no joke) and i'd rather do nothing then get 4 months ahead because it was getting ridicolous.

The teacher promptly *punished* me with detention and 1000 "i shall not work ahead" in writing for working too far ahead. Needless to say, i didn't do the writing but i did not lift a finger for 5 months straight, as thats just the guy i am. I still managed to get a C but i failed the year on similar issues in other classes and dropped out of highschool the year after that.

Currently, i'm on a disability check and i'm the richest person in my direct enviroment. I've even got more then double the money my dad has ever seen in his entire life, having worked maybe 6 months in my entire life. And he's a classical music sheet composer.

Honestly it's why i keep hoping there will be a revolution. This society is so decadent that it's not even funny anymore. It needs to decend into chaos like so many before it that the next generation may rise and surpass us.

Oh wait we buried them in debt. Ohwell maybe the generation after that....


By chick0n on 7/9/2010 2:01:27 PM , Rating: 2
thats the stupidest comment of the day.

there are people smarter than you out there, they simply don't have to spend as much time to learn the same object. Is there something wrong with that?

So you mean as long as you work hard like a slave, you deserves everything?

How do u know that people thats smart will not be able to work hard down the road?

Sorry but life is just not equal.


By Regected on 7/8/2010 12:11:48 PM , Rating: 5
Your analogy echos my experience from childhood. Going into kindergarten, I scored over 180 on an IQ test, and was put into the "gifted and talented" program. That program spanned my entire elementary education and incorporated lessons in critical thinking and self education. Once in middle school and onward, the only placement was honors classes. Honors classes were nothing more than doing double the homework. I went from straight A's to a D student because I saw no point in proving that I had learned the material 200 times a night.

The "No Child Left Behind" initiative also meant that no child was allowed to accelerate. My high school experience was dotted with just 2-3 teachers who understood I was a quicker learner than most every other student. The majority of the time, we were taught at the lowest level of student in the class. It was ridiculous to have to relearn the quadratic equation in algebra II or what a prepositional phrase was in english III. The worst situation was the push to pass the state wide standardized test. 15 minutes of every class period was devoted to working sample problems, most of which had no tie to the class at hand. Imagine doing history questions in science class or math problems in english.

By not allowing students to fall behind, the teachers can't push even average students to learn more above and beyond the basic curriculum. The end result is a lower overall average educational level.


By Azure Sky on 7/8/2010 1:26:39 PM , Rating: 2
I had a similar experience with being ahead of most of my peers, but I was tagged ADHD because OUT OF PURE BOREDOM I would goof off, so they started drugging me(school threatened to kick me out if my parents wouldnt have the doc put me on medication to make me sit and shut up..)

In jr.high I had a few really great teachers, one of them took a class of "rejects"(sped and problem child types) and ended up taking us all the way up to HS level in math, higher then she took her "gifted" classes in the end, and EVERYBODY got it, because if somebody wasnt getting it, she would either try and teach them a different way to do the problem OR would let us teach eachother(sometimes its easier to learn from somebody closer to your own age)

it was great, then highschool came, what a sad joke, they put me in sped math that was STUPID just packet work, that only went up to pre-geom, and when u got done they started you back at 1+1....(not kidding)

In science classes I excelled despite rarely if ever doing the homework or cracking a book, biology I passed with a C, would have been an a+ had i been willing to do all the busywork type homework they assigned, but I did at most 5% of it(if that) it was just to boring, it was all just looking up and copying lines from the text book(no learning involved saddly)

They put me in accounting because I liked computers(OI!!!) I finished the terms work in the first 2 weeks(was all on the server, just putting crap in excel and setting formula's in excel, all stuff I could do in my sleep) rest of that class i sat and read the psychology book somebody had left in the room on a shelf, saddly i couldnt get them to let me take psyke, I could have passed it without doing any home work either :P

English: My spelling sucks, but my vocab is HUGE, my sr eng teacher started referring to me as a human thesaurus because by the time he could grab the book and help somebody look up some words i woud have rattled off 5 or so of the options ;)

My best exp in school was having the computer teacher(not accounting teacher) endup having me teach most of the computer repair class after i took apart and re-assembled the pc in the time it took her to explain to the class that we where going to take apart and re-assemble the systems.

Oh that and making the biology teacher I had look like the stupid cu*t she was, giving students false info, like saying that we dont have any mosquitoes in the NW that can carry any form of communicable disease when we had some that could carry a few different diseases one that had been on the news for months(some virus)

bah, same shit happens in my adult life tho, because I am a big goofy red headed geek I have people constantly think Im not as smart as I really am.....but hey sometimes thats a good thing, keeps them from asking me for to much or expecting to much from me(I hate people wanting me to fix their computers for free :P )


By JediJeb on 7/8/2010 3:14:35 PM , Rating: 2
I know exactly how that is. Very similar to what happened to me in school.


By skirvmi on 7/9/2010 3:38:53 PM , Rating: 2
I realize that these tests are less accurate when you are younger, but 180 IQ? Less than 1 in 4,000,000 people have an IQ this high. Not necessarily calling shenanigans but this seems unlikely. Calling a 180 IQ gifted may be a bit of an understatement.


By Xaussie on 7/8/2010 12:58:20 PM , Rating: 2
I agree that there seems to be less and less emphasis on testing and metrics and more on just telling the kids how well they're doing and promoting them. When I started in high school we sat graded, ranked assessments nine times a year and dropping or gaining in the rankings was taken very seriously. By the end of high school they had gone to A-F gradings and no more ranking. It is like they are frightened to measure people anymore.

I also agree that the balance of social/academic is way off in the US. We do need both though, like you I was a very good academic, top student at my private college (high school) last two years there and won many awards and scholarships without having to work too hard. It took me less than two years to flunk out of University though, as I had none of the social skills or maturity needed to survive in an unstructured environment.

It took me ten years as an adult to get to the point that I could go back with the required skills and get my degrees. With the complete package I was able to excel again with a University medal and ARPA (Ph.D) scholarship.

The bottom line is IQ tests aren't the full story. To be effective you need a well rounded package of social skills, maturity and experience. It also doesn't guarantee you're going to be good at everything. I'd probably do pretty well on an IQ test but I'm a complete dunce when it comes to women and I can't read a map or navigate to save myself.


By tech329 on 7/8/2010 1:08:10 PM , Rating: 2
Charles Darwin had something to say about this. I have always remembered this because it's all too commom to run into people doing things who have made no effort to learn the first thing about what it is they're doing.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"


RE: High intelligence seems to be shunned in the US.
By xyxer on 7/8/2010 3:48:24 PM , Rating: 2
Wow:-) Blame socialist. Communist chinese seem to have higher IQ according to article. Need I also remind during cold war most Soviets were far smarter than most Americans ?


By Tuor on 7/8/2010 4:17:28 PM , Rating: 1
Let's say 1% of Chinese have an IQ above 140, and 10,000 of them apply, you end up with 100 qualified Chinese applicants. If 100 Americans apply and 1% of them have the requisite IQ, then you end up with only 1 qualified American applicant; if you want 5 American applicants, you have to either get more people (5x as many) to apply or lower the arbitrary IQ value.

And if the Soviets were smarter than we were, why did they live under such a tyrannical and backwards government and why did their technological advancement always trail our own in almost every field? The proof is in the pudding.


RE: High intelligence seems to be shunned in the US.
By xyxer on 7/9/2010 6:54:36 PM , Rating: 3
Wow just wow:-). With a comment like that who needs an IQ test:-).
I came out of Russian communist education and... frankly would say US education blew at worst. I managed to sleep my way through 6 years of university education.
I still remember teaching my 1st year math prof the easy ways to solve differential equations (with pen and paper).

Really some of you conservative Americans should shut your yup from time to time. Proud arrogant ignorance makes you look an idiot.


By afkrotch on 7/8/2010 9:03:30 PM , Rating: 1
Bleum Inc. is an outsourcing company in China. Who do you think applies the most for the jobs? Chinese living in China or Americans who would have to move to China for the job?

Of course there's going to be more Chinese with higher IQs, when more of them are going to apply for the jobs.


By chunkymonster on 7/9/2010 9:50:12 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Wow:-) Blame socialist. Communist chinese seem to have higher IQ according to article. Need I also remind during cold war most Soviets were far smarter than most Americans ?
In America, yes the liberal thinking social democrats are responsible for the "dumming down" of the American education system. It is the progressive mind set that introduced moral relativism, social acceptance over achievement, and pushed for classification of demographics over equality under the law. All you need to do is look into any city or State that has implemented the progressive educational agenda to recognize that those students are lower achievers compared to schools and institutions that take a conservative approach to education.

And, no, the article did not state or imply that the Chinese people as a whole have higher IQ's than Americans. If China does have more people with an IQ over 140 than America it is a function of the size of the population compared to America; a function of having a population of over 1.3 Billion people compared to 310 Million in America. Just from the numbers, all things being equal, I hope China has more people with an IQ over 140 compared to America.

Lastly, if you honestly believe that during the Cold War the Soviet Union as a whole was "smarter" than America, I would argue that given the fall of the Soviet Union and given that America has been, is, and will continue to be a solvent and sovereign nation that you rethink your position and stop believing revisionist history.


By kattanna on 7/8/2010 3:42:45 PM , Rating: 2
i was told once long ago when i was expelled out of high school that the system only really knows how to deal with the middle 80%. they dont know how to deal properly with the top and bottom 10%

while school was always incredibly easy to me and thus boring, what really started my slide out was when we moved back to california from oregon in my 8th grade year.

even though all my placement tests stated i had at least a 1st year college placement, except english which was a 12th grade placement, they made me retake all the same classes again because "we have a harder curriculum here in california". awesomeness! then after the first couple months the teachers here in LA went on strike and i had teachers paying some of us not to go to class.

LOL yeah california, you made an awesome impression on me alright.

after that i basically gave up on school as they were not in fact teaching me anything.

so the next year they gave me new placement tests and an IQ test and where shocked at how well i did, cause they simply thought i was an idiot because i was getting straight F's and D's.

needless to say things didnt improve because i had no teachers that could challenge me in any way but my geometry teacher. he at first thought me being in his class was a mistake but i quickly corrected that and he actually only allow me to do the hardest questions, which most could never get, so i had a challenge.

sadly, thats an isolated example as more were like my "computer" teacher who had taken a class over the summer to learn the subject to teach. it only took a couple weeks into the class when everyone stopped going to her for help on anything and instead came to me. she literally handed out assignments and then proceeded to read a book or something. she hated me. awesome teaching CA!

anyways after the 1st month of 11th grade i never went back.


By afkrotch on 7/8/2010 9:09:35 PM , Rating: 2
School was so easy. I never got a challenge from the teachers, I challenged myself. It was, "complete my homework within the time alloted to move between classes", which was like 5 minutes. I graduated with Honors.

Only class I enjoyed was anything to do with math. Algebra, Calculus, Trig, etc. I did fail Speech my Sophomore year. It was the 2nd time I took it. I passed Speech my Freshman year, but they made me take it again since the new High School I moved to had it as a Sophomore class. I wasn't about to do the same crap again.


By bfdd on 7/8/2010 5:55:00 PM , Rating: 2
Pretty much the same thing here. I absolutely HATED homework, it was fucking pointless. I was passing tests, I just refused to do homework on my own time.


By Rust1d on 7/9/2010 2:02:53 AM , Rating: 2
It seems that, as parents and educators, we mold children's values and morals. We teach them valuable lessons related to honesty, courage, integrity, loyalty and so on. Yet it seems that we allow children to dictate to us the concept of 'fairness.' When asked to define 'fairness,' most children respond: "Fairness means everybody gets the same." Unfortunately, we often allow children to convince us that this indeed is the definition of that concept. As a result, we attempt to deal with all children in an identical manner. When a teacher modifies a lesson for an LD child or adjusts the course requirements for him, his classmates charge that the situation is 'unfair.' Rather than respond to their complaints, the teacher should explain that the mature conceptualization of 'fairness' is not equal, identical treatment; rather, 'fairness' means that every student receives what he needs. Because each individual's needs are different, 'fairness' dictates that their programs and expectations will be different. Children are capable of understanding this concept if it is explained clearly and if it is observed daily in the teacher's modeling behavior.

Rick Lavoie


By jmbender on 7/11/2010 11:35:46 PM , Rating: 2
You are a genius, mainly because you own a 1991 Twin Turbo 300zx.


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