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Blizzard forum goers will soon no longer have to fear the dreaded internet troll.  (Source: Amazon.com)
Changes will first go into effect on Starcraft II forums, WoW forums likely next

Internet trolling charitably could be referred to as a pop culture phenomena.  People online seem often to develop proclivities for trying to get under each others' skin and in the most extreme cases a troll is born.

But trolls days of lurking around internet message boards may be limited -- at least if Activision Blizzard can help it.  The company, which makes the best-selling
 World of Warcraft and Starcraft franchise has announced that it will be forcing players to use their real names on online message boards.

Starcraft II: Wings of Liberty
, will be the first game to enact the new rules when it releases on July 27.  Those changes will quickly be rolled out to other games -- likely including World of Warcraft, the world's most popular paid MMORPG, with over 11.5 million subscribers.

The company is offering players the option of putting their in-game handle next to their real world name.  However, it will not currently force players to do this.  It says that players choosing to do so will be helping to create a more positive environment.

It says the changes in generally should cut down on trolling and nasty behavior in the forums.  

Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, says such erasures of privacy are nothing new.  He points out that the world's largest social networking site, Facebook, recently switched to requiring real names, and that businesses are typically well within their rights to demand such provisions.  

That said, he said such moves are disappointing as part of the magic of the internet is anonymity and alter-egos.  He states, "Part of the fun of the online gaming would was the sense that you could construct a character different form who you were in the real world."



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RE: This is absurd.
By MrBlastman on 7/7/2010 5:30:44 PM , Rating: 0
quote:
pay the monthly fee


Whoa there, violation of cardinal rule morality code, please deposit one credit:

Section 1, subparagraph 3, statement 2 states:
Thou shalt not ever pay monthly fees for gaming.

Monthly fees for gaming--how trite. If Blizzard were to do this with StarCraft II (which, according to those I know who do know, they are not except for premium battle.net services), they would lose myself as a customer right away.

I pay for enough things on a monthly basis in life, and gaming is not one of them I want to have to get an annoying bill in the mail for.


RE: This is absurd.
By Lerianis on 7/7/2010 5:33:27 PM , Rating: 4
I hate to tell you this, but you are the exception to the rule.


RE: This is absurd.
By MrBlastman on 7/7/2010 5:36:02 PM , Rating: 1
I don't play MMO's, never have, never will--and there are _plenty_ of online gamers--FPS gamers, who feel the same way. I'm hardly the exception here.


RE: This is absurd.
By walk2k on 7/7/2010 6:19:17 PM , Rating: 3
Um hate to break it to you but there's 11.5 million people who pay monthly fees for this game.

Of course 9.5 million of them are chinese goldfarmers but hey =)


RE: This is absurd.
By quiksilvr on 7/7/10, Rating: 0
RE: This is absurd.
By Gul Westfale on 7/8/10, Rating: 0
RE: This is absurd.
By callmeroy on 7/8/2010 8:50:06 AM , Rating: 5
Oh there it is...I knew it would show up in this thread..the "let me make fun of people who play pay to play games so I can feel like the cooler more stable and mature person"...

Seriously grow the F**K up.

If you are a smoker you are even MORE pathetic making such comments....(or you drink a lot..)....Have to admit the comedy factor would be quite high to find out someone who feels its stupid to pay $15 a month on a computer game but yet they blow $50-100 a week on smokes and booze.

At any rate -- newsflash : People are different and have different interests, likes and dislikes.....film at 11.


RE: This is absurd.
By quiksilvr on 7/8/2010 3:38:51 PM , Rating: 2
So I guess there are more idiots that waste their money smoking and drinking, sorry I neglected them.

What makes me call them idiots are the fact that they waste years of their life on this game. And on top of this, people spend a whopping $15 a MONTH just to play it. People are different and have different interests, but that's not going to stop me from calling WoW nerds, smokers and alcoholics morons that need to open their eyes to reality instead of scratching that itch just to feel better about a 4 strength, 4 stam leather belt.


RE: This is absurd.
By callmeroy on 7/9/2010 10:24:14 AM , Rating: 2
You are an enormously close-minded invidivdual you know that?

How the heck do people walk through life viewing it in either black or white is something I never understood myself.

Life isn't just absolutes. Some people really do just play a game for nothing more than because its fun...crazy concept for folks who think like you I know...but its honestly true if you want to acknowledge that or not.

Are you correct that some "WoW nerds" do waste their time away on the game and miss out on better things life has to offer...of course...but the fact you are correct for some doesn't mean you are correct for all.

There's extremes in everything...there's probably someone in the world that does nearly anything a bit too obsessively...there's probably an old lady someone right now who is addicted to knitting, there's likely a guy who just wants to do nothing but fish all the time....the worlds full of 6 billion souls..that's a lot of individual mindsets, thoughts, likes , dis-likes and opinions.

I'm not trying to be a jerk to you but the way you write its hard not to be...again you are very closed minded on this issue.


RE: This is absurd.
By Da W on 7/8/2010 9:27:42 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
So there are 11.5 million idiots in the world. Yipee.


And here is precisely why blizzard wants you to display your real name.


RE: This is absurd.
By TSS on 7/8/2010 9:41:26 AM , Rating: 2
Really? Then i assume that none of you use their internet connection to play online? Because that costs money.

As well as the electricity used to even operate a PC.

We are all already paying daily for gaming, maybe in costs we don't realise, but we do. So get off your high horse and go look up planetside. If your any of a true FPS gamer you'll hit yourself over the head for missing that game. Rumor has it there making a sequel though.

Point is if i look back at what i spent on shooters and what i spent on MMO's, it's roughtly the same in terms of years of fun, only shooters having a higher turnover in games, since they bore faster. And i've been playing shooters since wolfenstein 3D, and mmo's since Redmoon (released in 1998).

The only arguement i can think of for calling mmo players "idiots" is the golden days of Quake 3, Counterstrike and Unreal tournament all beeing released shortly after another. In that case, i would say, holding on to a decade ago makes you look like the idiot.

(fun little detail, i was the only one in my college class that had played MMO's before WoW, they all called me the idiot. WoW came along, and 13/22 people ended up playing it for a year+, not even including me. I held off 6 months calling them idiots while they delt with lag and server queues :p)


RE: This is absurd.
By icanhascpu on 7/7/2010 6:23:09 PM , Rating: 4
THis just in. FPS games unlike MMO games that are constantly updated with new .1 content several times between fully new 1.0 versions.

You getting a new little map or an extra gun selection in a FPS is nothing like the MMO. The monthly fee pays to keep the servers in top shape and puts money in the pockets of the developers for that new content.


RE: This is absurd.
By theArchMichael on 7/8/2010 4:20:21 AM , Rating: 2
This just in...

Server maintenance costs and maintaining an iterative development lifecycle may not be costing Blizzard $10 x 11.5 million people = $115 million dollars a month.
I think after purchasing a software product, especially a game, for around $50-$60, I'd be pretty pissed off if I had to pay even more monthly to play it and to receive bugfixes and minor enhancements.
Sounds like a ripoff.

In other news...

It seems as though Hot Pockets accidentally tainted with lead may be responsible for a recent outbreak of brain damage in the video game players community. Scientists predict around 11.5 million gamers been affected...


RE: This is absurd.
By callmeroy on 7/8/2010 8:53:41 AM , Rating: 1
You are ridiculous....

How old are you turning this year again....is it 5 or 10? I forget which....


RE: This is absurd.
By raumkrieger on 7/7/2010 6:20:00 PM , Rating: 2
Being the exception simply means he's smarter than those that follow the rule.


RE: This is absurd.
By icanhascpu on 7/7/2010 6:26:42 PM , Rating: 1
He is smarter becuse he thinks people shouldnt pay a monthly fee to a game they enjoy and he admits to have no experiance playing?

Are you stupid?


RE: This is absurd.
By MrBlastman on 7/7/2010 6:56:18 PM , Rating: 2
No, he's not at all.

I know what I want in life. If I want to play an RPG, I'll play a single player one that has a rich, developed story and plot along with extremely deep play mechanics--an RPG I pay once for to play.

If I want to spend time online, I spend it playing FPS, RTS or Combat Flight Simulators that require intense levels of skill to exceed in at the highest levels of prowess with no time commitment required to be good. MMO's offer none of that to me--so, why should I pay a monthly fee for them?

I've sampled MMO's and I was bored with them in only a few minutes.


RE: This is absurd.
By Ratinator on 7/7/2010 7:07:49 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If I want to spend time online, I spend it playing FPS, RTS or Combat Flight Simulators that require intense levels of skill to exceed in at the highest levels of prowess with no time commitment required to be good. MMO's offer none of that to me--so, why should I pay a monthly fee for them?


Intense levels of skill and no time commitment required to be good are not synonymous. Either it doesn't take skill or you are spending a rather large ammount of time gaining that skill.

Not having played an MMO you would have no clue what levels of skill are required. I would personally like to see you go into a WoW Arena fight even against beginners. You wouldn't last 10 seconds.


RE: This is absurd.
By Reclaimer77 on 7/7/2010 7:44:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I know what I want in life. If I want to play an RPG, I'll play a single player one that has a rich, developed story and plot along with extremely deep play mechanics--an RPG I pay once for to play.


Throw away games with scripted or only a few possible outcomes for any given juncture. Not very replayable.

I loved Fallout3, but after you beat it a few times, what's left??

Anyway this argument is stupid. You have an opinion, that doesn't make it more valid.


RE: This is absurd.
By Cullinaire on 7/8/2010 4:34:04 AM , Rating: 2
Sadly enough, MMO's are no different. Everything is scripted. The only difference is, you get new scripts if you keep paying.
Outcomes? How is an MMO any different from a SP game? You either beat the boss and get loot (or get outrolled) or you don't. And if you do beat the boss what happens in the world? Maybe there'll be a little announcement across the realm if it was something really special, but usually nothing. The boss respawns. Rinse repeat until you get your item or get sick of it all.
The only real difference between an MMO and SP in terms of evolving content is when they put on those huge one-time events. (I've experienced some of them GOODNESS THE LAG)
Any no, the presence of 10000 other people on the server does not change any of this at all (EXCEPT THE LAG).


RE: This is absurd.
By callmeroy on 7/8/2010 9:16:04 AM , Rating: 1
Well you could say that...or you could also say its the people that make the MMO genre more unique than an SP game (or even an online shooter)....

If you play an MMO as a solo experience you really don't have much room to talk about the "mmo experience" because guess what -- you didn't take advantage of it. That's no one's fault but your own.

I've been a WoW player for 5 years...recently I've grown tired of the content for a mix of reasons -- some being simply its summer and I go out more in the summer rather than sit inside and player computer games each night. Other reasons I have played the current expansion to death over the last year and a half (or however long its been).

But the reason I come back to WoW is because of the community of friends...also MMO's are open-ended.

Of course once you kill the boss the boss is dead...WTF you expect to happen...name something we humans do that doesn't have a finality to it? Everything has an "end"...races end...football games end...vacations ends...

But you are completely full of shit if you are telling me SP games give you more options than an good MMO...you are lying through your teeth.

There's tons of raids, zones...you have the whole AH game to play...some people have fun just learning professions and then acting like a merchant to people with them....there's the exploring / questing bit of course (a personal favorite of mine...at least when new xpacs are released)....town raids....PVP Battelgrounds...Arena...all with large numbers of people....

Tons more things to do than in an SP....

In short if you don't like it...just say you don't like it and move on...in the end I think we could both agree....your opinion isn't going to stop me from playing any more than mine is going make you go "hey let me try WoW out"...


RE: This is absurd.
By Cullinaire on 7/8/2010 9:51:23 AM , Rating: 2
Haha ok...I was basically saying the MMO game mechanics is no different from that of SP games but here you go off on some tangent about this and that.

Yes I played WoW and yes I have played it as it "should" be played...in a raid group and whatnot. (Sorry if I wasn't into it as "hardcore" as you...not caring too much about that) And the points I made still stand. A coop RPG with more people involved. And like you I got tired of the treadmill (although a lot sooner - 60 was enough for me) and dropped out.

Of course MMOs give you more options than SP games...that's the point isn't it? But having more of the same is just that. A SP game super sized for a large concurrent audience. Can't expect a dozen NPCs with exclamation points over their heads to service thousands at a time.

If you kill a boss (ok, THE boss), shouldn't it have some far reaching consequence on the game world? The only ones I see are macroeconomical: you get more trinkets/items to disenchant/whatever. At least in SP games you get some sort of closure...in an MMO you're just planning another raid so hopefully the right setpiece will drop. Any background story is LONG out of mind now.

Rinse and repeat with expansions: fresh storyline to keep you interested in it at first, then it's grind till you collect all the setpieces. I'm sure many skip the story part altogether. NOTE THAT I NEVER SAID THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

I'm not really bashing MMOs. When I first started playing them I really had some lofty expectations. Of course, now I also understand that if those expectations were actually met, the game would be horribly broken and nobody would play it after a month. The stuff I described above is just what MMOs are and I'm just laying it bare. I never called anyone out for enjoying it. Quote me if you think otherwise.

Why should I stop at "I don't like it" and "move on" as you say? Just stating my views as a former player and general gamer.

I'm not trying to convince anyone to do anything. That's your assumption. If someone reads this thread and makes up their own minds about it, great. I don't care.


RE: This is absurd.
By Cullinaire on 7/8/2010 10:05:03 AM , Rating: 1
I've read your other replies on this topic. Most seem to be pretty defensive...didn't know you cared so much about how people view your WoW playing. I sure as hell didn't when I was playing.
Anyway, you mentioned the social aspect of MMOs and I didn't really address that (since I never brought it up in the first place-nor did I have to in the argument I had made to Reclaimer).
I'll agree that MMOs are a great vehicles for combining gaming and socializing. Other games are a bit too frantic all the time to allow much of that. No rides across the continent, no hanging around the AH, etc.
And that's great, I enjoyed that too. However, none of it makes any difference to my original argument (and it was NOT ABOUT WHY PEOPLE SHOULD NOT PLAY MMOS).


RE: This is absurd.
By callmeroy on 7/8/2010 12:14:38 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah yeah..well you call it defensive...I call it honestly replying to other posts that started the topic in the first place. You know good old fashion sticking up for what you think is right/ the truth/ not backing down all that good stuff.

If you want to get technical you can't use the care argument -- anyone that posts on any topic in any forum is showing they "care"....regardless what your point is...even if its to say you "don't care"....well yeah you do, you cared enough to let everyone else know you don't care! :)

To show no care or concern at all on a topic is to never type a single post in the conversation. So you see -- even YOU CARE!

To be honest I just forgot WTF we are supposed to be arguing about...


RE: This is absurd.
By gamerk2 on 7/8/2010 9:54:26 AM , Rating: 1
Raids/Zones = Levels/Stages

Most RPG's these days have some form of Job system, some deeper then others, but thats hardly unique to MMO's

Several RPG's (Fallout, Oblivion) place a high focus on exploration, and for Stategy titles (Civilization, SoaSE) as well.

Areana's are hardly new; NES RPG's thought of the concept long before WoW came along.

Frankly, MMO's are dull and boring for the most part; the only one I found mildly interesting was EVE Online [which would be epic if you could FPS fly...]. PotBS had potental before they steered away from purly ship-to-ship combat (For the love of god, just make Pirates! Online!!!!). WoW, frankly, is the worst of the bunch, mainly due to the dumbing down of almost every major RPG element.

And I'm talking as someone who's played every major RPG ever released [Every Ultima, Wizardry, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Lufia, Megami Tensi, Tales, Oblivion, and Fallout game to 100% completetion at least twice each [usually in Japaneze form, of course], not to mention a few dozen stand alone titles).


RE: This is absurd.
By Regected on 7/8/2010 11:26:07 AM , Rating: 2
If you think that every mmo is scripted, then you have never hear of EveOnline. The players control dang near everything in the game. Maybe you should check it out, unless you lack the intelligence to make it past the tutorial. If so, stick to your lame "BOOM HEADSHOT" FPS which take no brains to play.


RE: This is absurd.
By rcc on 7/8/2010 10:55:34 AM , Rating: 2
Right!!! Because as the Mom said while watching the marching band "Oh look, everyone is out of step but my Johnny"!


RE: This is absurd.
By hughlle on 7/8/2010 6:51:52 AM , Rating: 3
Or not. There are countless players not silly enough to walk into the monthly subscription game. I'm always amused listening to people trying to justify the fee. My brother prefere guild wars over the likes of wow. People are happy to pay for wow etc because it masterfully tricks users into believing they really do have friends and that people admire them... the people paying are the ones that need these "friends"


RE: This is absurd.
By callmeroy on 7/8/2010 9:30:59 AM , Rating: 1
You are a sad man if your post was written with sincerity.

I work for a living...I don't drink (me "drinking" means I had two beers with dinner one night two months ago), I don't smoke...I'm not really materilistic (not to be confused with being a cheap bastard...the stuff I do like I buy good quality stuff)...I don't spend much on myself for fun stuff...maybe going to the movies twice a month, buy a dvd once in a while...or a computer game...that's about it. The rest I spend on others.

So that all said I'm supposed to have this guilt thing over dropping $13 a month to play a game I enjoy because some perfect stranger like yourself doesn't approve?

One of the things I like about WoW is the community of online friends ....I won't lie...but your post is completely ridiculous because its not accurate in the least.

Why does everything these days need to have some deeper meaning? Why do we as a modern society feel the need to justify or expect justification for every damn thing we do?

Why can't no one just take something at face value?

That's all it is -- people playing a game together on recurring basis for long stretches of time (re: years) and being "cool" with each other thus enhancing the fun of the game.

Do we sometimes talk non game stuff...ask how each other's families are, jobs, talk about current problems to a limited degree....of course...oh wait -- its not right for us to be social at all? Does that violate your approvals as well?

The world is what you make it ultimate. If you chose to view the world with such cynism and/or contempt -- the whole time you are laughing at other people....thinking they are the fools...you never even notice the jokes been on you the whole time.


RE: This is absurd.
By TimDraper on 7/7/2010 7:41:49 PM , Rating: 2
No worries, you won't receive a monthly bill in the mail for any online games. They, just like (almost certainly) your internet provider, charge you in advance.

1 movie a month: $10 or so plus gas, food, etc. for 1-2 hours of _MAYBE_ something you'll like.

World of Warcraft or other MMO - $10-15 a month for as many hours as you feel like playing a month (assuming the servers are up at the time).

Which is a better entertainment bargain? Well if you play WoW for more than 4 hours a month, it's a no-brainer izznit?


RE: This is absurd.
By theArchMichael on 7/8/2010 4:34:00 AM , Rating: 1
Or you can get a girlfriend...

Can be super expensive depending on which one you get though.
But the options are:

-> You could spend countless hours playing a MMORPG seeking to extract every ounce of the $15 a month that you so wisely spent.

-> F#ck and do other things with your girlfriend


RE: This is absurd.
By callmeroy on 7/8/2010 9:42:21 AM , Rating: 1
You poor man...

You most suffer from a strange disease that allows you only to do ONE THING or concentrate on one thing ONLY ever...

Most of us folks ....can actually talk AND walk at the same time! Its true! We even have the ability to maintain a healthy relationship with our significant other and still magically find one or two hours a few nights a week for some time to do whatever -- play a game, watch a movie...I actually read some nights with alone time.

I hope one day you find a cure for your ailment..then you too will be able to enjoy life with the ability to focus on more than one thing at a time and find time to do multiple activities in life.


RE: This is absurd.
By Iaiken on 7/8/2010 10:25:44 AM , Rating: 2
Just ignore theArchMichael as he's obviously only capable of thinking in absolutes. In his world, all MMO players play like a full time job at the cost of their responsibilities.

There is no room in his world for people who enjoy a variety of things in moderation (one of which may be an MMO). It's simply not possible for people to spend time on an MMO instead of the exact same time-wasters as the rest of society.

Would time playing an MMO be better spent watching TV? Or maybe indulging in a book alone? Assembling a ship in a bottle? Or perhaps any number of sedentary solo pastimes?

He finds the entire idea that other people have preferences that don't conform to his frightening and so he feels the need to lash out like a cornered animal. What makes it so pathetic is that he isn't cornered, he has to go out looking for people to lash out against.

I managed to get a masters degree, a high paying job, meet my beautiful and intelligent wife, practicing Kung Fu, going out nearly every single Friday and Saturday night and playing WoW in some of the time between. However, there is no room for people like us in his threatening world of mmo-addicts who apparently must be out to get him.


RE: This is absurd.
By Flunk on 7/8/2010 9:29:45 AM , Rating: 2
For most adults that monthly fee is preitty small. Most people are paying car payments, insurance, housing, groceries and utilities so that $15 seems preitty inconsequential.

So kids, this is how people can play WoW or other pay for service games. When you get a job you'll be able to easily afford it too.


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