quote: Where is this shangrila of medicine that you speak of? I lived in the UK and the British doctor on base specifically warned me not to use the local hospitals because they had serious issues, i.e. using bedding over without washing, bugs in the ward, and lack of nurses to name a few. A friend experienced all those and more in the local hospital with his wife. You are putting up a lot of misinformation based on BS.
quote: Our system is more expensive because we subsidize most of the drug research by pay full cost while the rest of the world caps those cost by factoring out R&D costs. We also have more advanced diagnostics in our hospitals than most of the world and the latest tech costs money. If someone needs the most advanced procedure they come here, if you want a common procedure for less there are other choices but they come without safe guards. Nothing is free
quote: I prefer debates that use facts, not just your opinion. Anyone can say "your wrong because I said so" so step up and show some factual basis for what you are saying.
quote: Easy example. You stated the "cost" of someones health care is "1000%" higher than whatever other country you brought up. But that's impossible to factually say, because the cost of health care in typical Socialist European nations is directly tied into sales tax, a "VAT" tax, and other taxes. But it's impossible to determine that percentage you gave, because you don't know how much every person buys and contributes to the tax health care pot, do you?
quote: Also those systems have the Government DIRECTLY engaging in cost controls, while our system is still free market. Of course costs look lower when the government is directly setting them, but the only way to effectively control costs is to engage in service reduction. You honestly rather have a bureaucrat somewhere deciding what they will and won't pay for? At least with an Insurance company, you can go somewhere else. What recourse do you have when the government, who runs the system, says they won't cover you? Or that you have to wait 6 months for something? None.
quote: Where is your facts and links that show we pay "1000%" more in health care costs? You're being a hypocrite, you posted no referred facts yourself. And please, I said facts, not the Wikipedia. And we all know how flawed and biased the World Heath Organization's study is, so don't bother with that either.
quote: Plus the premise for your argument isn't grounded in reality. We DON'T CARE what the rest of the world is doing. The rest of the world is SHIT, it's a good thing that we do things different. As bad as our economy is, the European Union is crumbling at the moment.
quote: And by the way, idiot, I guess this is ALL a moot point. Because we stupidly PASSED a European style nationalized Health Care system as of this year. I can't wait, because then every moron like you, when they realize how shitty it is, can finally admit they were WRONG. And that, despite the costs and problems, we already had the greatest system on the planet.