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Hyundai Veloster Concept

Prototype Veloster testing alongside a VW Scirocco  (Source: Motor Authority)
Hyundai is taking on the big guns from Japan

Reaction to Honda's CR-Z two-seater has been mixed. While the vehicle attempts to capture some of the essence of the CRX which came two decades before it, its performance (0 to 60 mph in around 10 seconds) and fuel economy aren't exactly inspiring given its hybrid powertrain.

The CR-Z only manages to achieve 31/37 mpg (city/highway) with a manual transmission and 36/38 mpg with a CVT transmission -- both figures are well below that of the larger and heavier Toyota Prius.

Hyundai, which is doing its best to punch Toyota and Honda (among others) right in the throat, is now said to be setting its targets on the CR-Z. According to Autoblog, the upcoming Hyundai Veloster -- the replacement for the Hyundai Tiburon -- will achieve 40 mpg by using a regular four-cylinder engine. This shouldn't be too hard a target for Hyundai to reach considering that its 3,200-pound Sonata midsize sedan can already hit 35 mpg on the highway.

While the CR-Z needs a hybrid powertrain to extract somewhat disappointing fuel economy numbers given its 2,750-pound weight, Hyundai says that it needs no such excess baggage. The lighter Veloster is said to be powered by a 1.6-liter engine producing around 140 hp. For comparison, Honda's CR-Z is powered by a 122 hp four-cylinder engine coupled with a 13 hp electric motor.

And if toppling the CR-Z in fuel economy and performance wasn't enough, Hyundai will likely also undercut the pricing of the CR-Z as well due to the Veloster's lack of an expensive hybrid powertrain and batteries. The Veloster also comes with the added utility of seating for four people instead of only two like the CR-Z

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RE: Higher Goals Needed
By TheMouse on 6/22/2010 9:10:48 AM , Rating: 1
Well that's the problem. A car that takes 15 seconds to hit 60, will not easily hit 90 by any of the current standard drivetrains.

RE: Higher Goals Needed
By transamdude95 on 6/22/2010 9:14:58 AM , Rating: 4
I would definitely take a 15 second 0-60 car with a top speed of 90 or 100mph if it nets me 70+mpg. That's a fair trade off for a daily driver.

RE: Higher Goals Needed
By mindless1 on 6/22/2010 12:44:48 PM , Rating: 3
The problem is there is no market for such a car, in many areas of the world it is REQUIRED to be able to accelerate faster than that in order to safely merge with other traffic.

If you cannot even merge with traffic you cause everyone to put on their brakes and lose fuel economy and cause traffic jams, nevermind the potential safety issues of pileups while riding in a tin can amongst other larger vehicles.

RE: Higher Goals Needed
By sebmel on 6/22/10, Rating: 0
RE: Higher Goals Needed
By Suntan on 6/22/2010 3:03:39 PM , Rating: 2
Just FYI, manganese has a density similar to steel. I think you mean magnesium.

Also, your old diesel lupo would not meet emissions or crash impact standards here in the States.

You want better gas mileage, one way to help would be to get the government to relax its requirements for emissions, and/or get the government (read: insurance lobbyists) to relax their demands on crash worthy-ness.



RE: Higher Goals Needed
By OoklaTheMok on 7/1/2010 3:34:24 PM , Rating: 2
of course!... unrelated regulations are the cause for the lack of significant progress in improving fuel efficiency. We should all just drive cars that are made like tinfoil and crumple up in a little ball when hit by an SUV killing all the passengers inside... but the gas mileage is incredible, or is to die for?

I think you've gotten a bit too much sun...

RE: Higher Goals Needed
By Spuke on 6/22/2010 3:13:47 PM , Rating: 2
85mpg UK = 70mpg USA
It would not be 70 mpg US because the way you measure fuel economy is different than how the US does it.

RE: Higher Goals Needed
By Fireshade on 6/23/2010 4:55:40 AM , Rating: 2
He was referring to his own usage, man. Like the other posters above. Not referring to an EPA rating or such.

RE: Higher Goals Needed
By HelToupee on 6/22/10, Rating: 0
RE: Higher Goals Needed
By TheMouse on 6/22/2010 12:36:33 PM , Rating: 1
It will hit 90. But having to floor it is not hitting 90 "easily".

RE: Higher Goals Needed
By mindless1 on 6/22/2010 1:20:08 PM , Rating: 2
... and rag the engine out meaning no you can't do 90 in that car on a regular basis, it can barely even accelerate up a hill from a stop if there are 4 adult passengers in it.

RE: Higher Goals Needed
By Spuke on 6/22/2010 3:17:38 PM , Rating: 2
it can barely even accelerate up a hill from a stop if there are 4 adult passengers in it.
My sisters old Metro would overheat on 6% grades in the summer and that was with just her in the car (no A/C installed either). Nothing wrong with the car either. Just inadequate cooling. No thanks. YOU go drive that.

RE: Higher Goals Needed
By lelias2k on 6/23/2010 5:02:46 PM , Rating: 2
You are talking about a 20 yr old project that was a failure. Although I certainly doubt there was nothing wrong with the car. Maybe your mechanic couldn't find anything wrong... or maybe it was a lemon.

How about looking into newer technology?

I've driven many 1.0L cars in Brazil and 1.4L in Europe. No problems at all going into freeways and sustaining high speeds.

I used to have a 1993 Fiat Uno 1.0 when I lived in Brazil and I would constantly hit 80-90mph. Many trips going through mountains: Never ever had a problem with it. And that's with a brand that is constantly made fun of here in the US.

Which is not to say that it isn't awesome to have great acceleration, but I think the whole point here is that it's not essential. I just traded my TSX for a new Civic EX and I'm not crying. Yet. lol :)

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