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Yes, it finally has Wi-Fi

It's hard to believe that it's been nearly five years since the original Xbox 360 launched. The Xbox 360 hit the market a year ahead of the Nintendo Wii and PlayStation 3 and continues to do quite well in the marketplace. Thanks to a relatively healthy stable library of exclusive games and the second-to-none Xbox Live gaming service, gamers keep coming back for more despite years of RROD issues.

Over the years, the Xbox 360 has gone through a number of hardware changes. Advances in manufacturing technologies for GPU and CPU have resulted in smaller, cooler running chips; and HDMI output has made its way to the console. Storage capacities have been bumped, new colors have been added, and special editions have announced.

However, the basic design of the console has remained the same -- until now. Today at E3, Microsoft unveiled a new look for the Xbox 360.

The new Xbox 360 is smaller, sleeker, quieter and comes with an integrated 250GB hard drive (removable) and five USB ports (two in the front, three in the back). And yes folks, it FINALLY has built-in Wi-Fi (802.11n). It will be priced at $299 and will be in stores later this week.

According to Engadget, the current Xbox 360 Elite will drop down to $249 while the Xbox 360 Arcade will fall to $149.

In other Xbox 360 news, Microsoft today officially announced the Kinect accessory which captures full body motion for immersive gaming.

 



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RE: RROD?
By brokenaxiom on 6/14/2010 10:00:14 PM , Rating: 1
Yes, the Xbox 360 will no longer have RROD because they completely changed the design of the CPU and GPU. On this machine's new Valhalla chipset, the GPU/CPU have been merged into one chip with a single cooling solution. In 2012, the chip will again receive a die shrink and be ported over to the new Xbox. This means hardware backwards compatibility with the 360 unlike certain other consoles.


RE: RROD?
By afkrotch on 6/14/2010 11:28:37 PM , Rating: 2
You mean like the 360 that doesn't have hardware compatibility with the original Xbox? or the Wii? Or some version of the PS3?


RE: RROD?
By Veerappan on 6/15/2010 9:54:03 AM , Rating: 3
Correction: The Wii is backwards compatible to the Gamecube. I've played several GC games using a Wavebird controller + GC memory card multiple times in the past, and will continue to do so.


RE: RROD?
By adiposity on 6/15/2010 1:10:31 PM , Rating: 3
Correct. The Wii is close to 100% compatible with Gamecube as it is essentially an upgraded gamecube. It even has (two?) ports for the old gamecube controllers. I used it for a while when the Wii first came out, but since there weren't that many good games for Gamecube, nobody really cared.


RE: RROD?
By afkrotch on 6/16/2010 9:21:51 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, it's backwards compatible, but it doesn't have the GC innards to do such. It's all software. Just like the 360 for some of their games. PS3 had PS2 innards, til they went to software BC, then just completely got rid of it.


RE: RROD?
By adiposity on 6/15/2010 1:19:30 PM , Rating: 2
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This means hardware backwards compatibility with the 360 unlike certain other consoles.


The 360 itself is not really backwards compatible. I assume you are trying to take a dig at the PS3 here, but it's kind of pointless to compare a theoretical future spec with a current spec.

There's nothing from stopping the PS3 or Wii from including their chips in the next gen consoles for 100% backwards compatibility. If Sony learned anything from this gen, it's that a minor upgrade is a better idea than an ambitious one, so PS4 may be a 50% better PS3, for all we know. Same goes for next-gen Wii.


RE: RROD?
By brokenaxiom on 6/15/2010 6:12:08 PM , Rating: 2
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I assume you are trying to take a dig at the PS3 here


To have a console sell over 100 million units and then break backwards compatibility with the next generation is beyond reproach.

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ut it's kind of pointless to compare a theoretical future spec with a current spec.


Actually not in this case because the PS3 will be in market as Sony's primary console until 2015. Thus the next generation Xbox will be competing with the PS3.

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If Sony learned anything from this gen, it's that a minor upgrade is a better idea than an ambitious one, so PS4 may be a 50% better PS3, for all we know. Same goes for next-gen Wii.


This isn't true at all. The current consoles are outclassed by PC graphics at ever single level, which is causing a disconnect between PC developers and console ports. This leads to uncomfortable design decisions for game engines that lead to lower quality graphics and physics.

Sony didn't learn their machine was "too powerful" they learned that it didn't fit the market's balance with its PC counterpart until recently. Now they are making a profit and also won the format war against HD-DVD.

Microsoft- on the other hand- didn't care about the console as much as they correctly cared about the online platform. Xbox live is console independent, which means there isn't any pain in upgrading consoles to the next Xbox. The Valhalla chipset follows the philosophy by ensuring total backwards compatibility without consideration to the new hardware.

Eventually, the rabbit hole leads to their 2012 next gen console having ATI 6000 series graphics paired with some form of eight core processor, and 802.11n Wi-fi. Most likely with two price tiers, one elite model with kinect and one non-kinect model. Expect USB3 as the standard and a SSD.


RE: RROD?
By afkrotch on 6/16/2010 9:52:24 PM , Rating: 2
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This isn't true at all. The current consoles are outclassed by PC graphics at ever single level, which is causing a disconnect between PC developers and console ports. This leads to uncomfortable design decisions for game engines that lead to lower quality graphics and physics.


Everyone's designing around consoles nowadays and porting to PCs.

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Sony didn't learn their machine was "too powerful" they learned that it didn't fit the market's balance with its PC counterpart until recently. Now they are making a profit and also won the format war against HD-DVD.


Whe has consoles ever been balanced with their PC counterparts? They were higher spec'd then PCs when they weren't released, then whey they did release, PCs already eclipsed them.

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Microsoft- on the other hand- didn't care about the console as much as they correctly cared about the online platform. Xbox live is console independent, which means there isn't any pain in upgrading consoles to the next Xbox. The Valhalla chipset follows the philosophy by ensuring total backwards compatibility without consideration to the new hardware.


Yes, that's why there was a completely different Xbox Live for the Original Xbox, which has gone offline recently.

Of course Valhalla isn't going to change much. It's just a freaking die shrink and placing the cpu/gpu together. It's not a new upgrade, it's not the next generation Xbox, it's the same exactly crap in different form.

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Eventually, the rabbit hole leads to their 2012 next gen console having ATI 6000 series graphics paired with some form of eight core processor, and 802.11n Wi-fi. Most likely with two price tiers, one elite model with kinect and one non-kinect model. Expect USB3 as the standard and a SSD.


MS is going to be the same as Sony. They are going to milk their console as long as they can. I guarantee you, they'll wait until Sony gives a date for release of a PS4, before we see any kind of new Xbox 720 get announced. Then it'll come out a year before the PS4 gets released.


RE: RROD?
By corduroygt on 6/15/2010 2:24:06 PM , Rating: 2
CPU/GPU/Edram haven't merged into a single chip, that would require costly chip redesign/validation/testing. They just stuck the 3 dies inside the same package.


RE: RROD?
By brokenaxiom on 6/15/2010 6:22:22 PM , Rating: 2
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CPU/GPU/Edram haven't merged into a single chip, that would require costly chip redesign/validation/testing. They just stuck the 3 dies inside the same package.


This very process is already underway. It's actually much cheaper than you think. The final version of the Xbox 360 will be released in 2011 with the new chip and be similar to the PS2 slim in size. The goal for this cycle was to test the integrated Wi-Fi, the new cooling solution, and handle the kinect transition. The next year goal will be to smooth out any issues with the new-very low cost-chip before it's ported to the 2012 next gen Xbox.


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