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Yes, it finally has Wi-Fi

It's hard to believe that it's been nearly five years since the original Xbox 360 launched. The Xbox 360 hit the market a year ahead of the Nintendo Wii and PlayStation 3 and continues to do quite well in the marketplace. Thanks to a relatively healthy stable library of exclusive games and the second-to-none Xbox Live gaming service, gamers keep coming back for more despite years of RROD issues.

Over the years, the Xbox 360 has gone through a number of hardware changes. Advances in manufacturing technologies for GPU and CPU have resulted in smaller, cooler running chips; and HDMI output has made its way to the console. Storage capacities have been bumped, new colors have been added, and special editions have announced.

However, the basic design of the console has remained the same -- until now. Today at E3, Microsoft unveiled a new look for the Xbox 360.

The new Xbox 360 is smaller, sleeker, quieter and comes with an integrated 250GB hard drive (removable) and five USB ports (two in the front, three in the back). And yes folks, it FINALLY has built-in Wi-Fi (802.11n). It will be priced at $299 and will be in stores later this week.

According to Engadget, the current Xbox 360 Elite will drop down to $249 while the Xbox 360 Arcade will fall to $149.

In other Xbox 360 news, Microsoft today officially announced the Kinect accessory which captures full body motion for immersive gaming.

 



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RROD?
By Chadder007 on 6/14/2010 3:19:46 PM , Rating: 5
Will it be RROD free?




RE: RROD?
By MeesterNid on 6/14/2010 3:24:20 PM , Rating: 5
No it'll come with several segments of the ring already pre-"redded" for you convenience.


RE: RROD?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 6/14/2010 3:30:53 PM , Rating: 2
I sure hope so.


RE: RROD?
By dubldwn on 6/14/2010 3:36:58 PM , Rating: 2
I sure hope they get a better wireless card than us PS3 guys. The one in the PS3 BLOWS.


RE: RROD?
By afkrotch on 6/14/2010 7:15:17 PM , Rating: 4
Mine works fine. It's just not 802.11n.


RE: RROD?
By inperfectdarkness on 6/14/10, Rating: 0
RE: RROD?
By piroroadkill on 6/15/2010 4:21:28 AM , Rating: 1
Look at the pre-production leak boards. It had a retarded huge coolermaster hsf on the SINGLE integrated chip, no longer is it stuck under the DVD drive, getting hotter and hotter.

On the new 360 design, there are a set of massive cooling slots above exactly where this hsf would be.

Direct fresh air intake down onto a large heatsink would almost certainly solve all these problems


RE: RROD?
By Taft12 on 6/15/2010 10:56:17 AM , Rating: 1
Besides the design improvements, the smaller production process compared to early-gen 360's should make RROD a thing of the past (can't believe the RROD cheap shots get rated up so quickly here)


RE: RROD?
By inperfectdarkness on 6/15/2010 12:36:52 PM , Rating: 2
why not? RROD could have been prevented (or at least cut way, way down). comments poking fun of it are no different than comments about yellowing apple screens & overheated macintoshes.

don't let your MS fanboyism blind you to the logic behind popular opinion; if a company screws up something preventable--they deserve ridicule.


RE: RROD?
By larson0699 on 6/16/2010 2:23:39 PM , Rating: 2
It's not fanboyism. It's old news, totally unfunny and uninteresting by now, and it should be downrated the same as anyone still bashing Vista. You don't reward someone for accomplishing nothing, especially considering that their most serious efforts wouldn't be even remotely as functional as the launch 360.

I'm not a Microsoft fanboy, but their quality control issues are no Deepwater Horizon. They eventually came around and I'm thankful for that. If I'm to walk the namedropping tightropes, I'd might as well call you a hypocrite if you drive a Ford truck or a Toyota that was recalled. It doesn't hurt to afford everyone a reasonable margin of error, especially in this instance where the company owned up and absorbed some hefty costs to keep their customers.

Be fair or be quiet.


RE: RROD?
By inperfectdarkness on 6/16/2010 3:28:18 PM , Rating: 2
1. 33%+ failure rate is not an "acceptable margin of error".

2. microsoft's "most serious efforts" should be taken with several lbs of salt before being lauded; after all, we're talking about a company that has significantly more free capital to work with than nintendo. microsoft has proven itself willing to burn money by the bushel in an unrelenting pursuit of whatever operation it wishes to muscle itself into. just look at the marketing surrounding halo 3 vs. the marketing surrounding super mario galaxy 2.

3. owning up and absorbing costs isn't "responsible"; it's mandatory (or at least i consider it to be thus). everything has recalls. my wii had a recall. my car had a transfer case recall. my washing machine had a computer recall. these are normal; acceptable. having a product failure so rampant that vendors refuse to offer ESP's on your product; that's irresponsible.


RE: RROD?
By Newspapercrane on 6/17/2010 5:44:35 AM , Rating: 2
I would be interested in seeing some stats which count only the current iteration of the 360 hardware. I would also be interested in the failure rates of the 360 overall (launch until present.)


RE: RROD?
By chromal on 6/14/10, Rating: 0
RE: RROD?
By DFranch on 6/14/2010 9:08:20 PM , Rating: 2
All Xbox's have green LEDs. The RED LED shows when there is a problem.


RE: RROD?
By brokenaxiom on 6/14/2010 10:00:14 PM , Rating: 1
Yes, the Xbox 360 will no longer have RROD because they completely changed the design of the CPU and GPU. On this machine's new Valhalla chipset, the GPU/CPU have been merged into one chip with a single cooling solution. In 2012, the chip will again receive a die shrink and be ported over to the new Xbox. This means hardware backwards compatibility with the 360 unlike certain other consoles.


RE: RROD?
By afkrotch on 6/14/2010 11:28:37 PM , Rating: 2
You mean like the 360 that doesn't have hardware compatibility with the original Xbox? or the Wii? Or some version of the PS3?


RE: RROD?
By Veerappan on 6/15/2010 9:54:03 AM , Rating: 3
Correction: The Wii is backwards compatible to the Gamecube. I've played several GC games using a Wavebird controller + GC memory card multiple times in the past, and will continue to do so.


RE: RROD?
By adiposity on 6/15/2010 1:10:31 PM , Rating: 3
Correct. The Wii is close to 100% compatible with Gamecube as it is essentially an upgraded gamecube. It even has (two?) ports for the old gamecube controllers. I used it for a while when the Wii first came out, but since there weren't that many good games for Gamecube, nobody really cared.


RE: RROD?
By afkrotch on 6/16/2010 9:21:51 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, it's backwards compatible, but it doesn't have the GC innards to do such. It's all software. Just like the 360 for some of their games. PS3 had PS2 innards, til they went to software BC, then just completely got rid of it.


RE: RROD?
By adiposity on 6/15/2010 1:19:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This means hardware backwards compatibility with the 360 unlike certain other consoles.


The 360 itself is not really backwards compatible. I assume you are trying to take a dig at the PS3 here, but it's kind of pointless to compare a theoretical future spec with a current spec.

There's nothing from stopping the PS3 or Wii from including their chips in the next gen consoles for 100% backwards compatibility. If Sony learned anything from this gen, it's that a minor upgrade is a better idea than an ambitious one, so PS4 may be a 50% better PS3, for all we know. Same goes for next-gen Wii.


RE: RROD?
By brokenaxiom on 6/15/2010 6:12:08 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I assume you are trying to take a dig at the PS3 here


To have a console sell over 100 million units and then break backwards compatibility with the next generation is beyond reproach.

quote:
ut it's kind of pointless to compare a theoretical future spec with a current spec.


Actually not in this case because the PS3 will be in market as Sony's primary console until 2015. Thus the next generation Xbox will be competing with the PS3.

quote:
If Sony learned anything from this gen, it's that a minor upgrade is a better idea than an ambitious one, so PS4 may be a 50% better PS3, for all we know. Same goes for next-gen Wii.


This isn't true at all. The current consoles are outclassed by PC graphics at ever single level, which is causing a disconnect between PC developers and console ports. This leads to uncomfortable design decisions for game engines that lead to lower quality graphics and physics.

Sony didn't learn their machine was "too powerful" they learned that it didn't fit the market's balance with its PC counterpart until recently. Now they are making a profit and also won the format war against HD-DVD.

Microsoft- on the other hand- didn't care about the console as much as they correctly cared about the online platform. Xbox live is console independent, which means there isn't any pain in upgrading consoles to the next Xbox. The Valhalla chipset follows the philosophy by ensuring total backwards compatibility without consideration to the new hardware.

Eventually, the rabbit hole leads to their 2012 next gen console having ATI 6000 series graphics paired with some form of eight core processor, and 802.11n Wi-fi. Most likely with two price tiers, one elite model with kinect and one non-kinect model. Expect USB3 as the standard and a SSD.


RE: RROD?
By afkrotch on 6/16/2010 9:52:24 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This isn't true at all. The current consoles are outclassed by PC graphics at ever single level, which is causing a disconnect between PC developers and console ports. This leads to uncomfortable design decisions for game engines that lead to lower quality graphics and physics.


Everyone's designing around consoles nowadays and porting to PCs.

quote:
Sony didn't learn their machine was "too powerful" they learned that it didn't fit the market's balance with its PC counterpart until recently. Now they are making a profit and also won the format war against HD-DVD.


Whe has consoles ever been balanced with their PC counterparts? They were higher spec'd then PCs when they weren't released, then whey they did release, PCs already eclipsed them.

quote:
Microsoft- on the other hand- didn't care about the console as much as they correctly cared about the online platform. Xbox live is console independent, which means there isn't any pain in upgrading consoles to the next Xbox. The Valhalla chipset follows the philosophy by ensuring total backwards compatibility without consideration to the new hardware.


Yes, that's why there was a completely different Xbox Live for the Original Xbox, which has gone offline recently.

Of course Valhalla isn't going to change much. It's just a freaking die shrink and placing the cpu/gpu together. It's not a new upgrade, it's not the next generation Xbox, it's the same exactly crap in different form.

quote:
Eventually, the rabbit hole leads to their 2012 next gen console having ATI 6000 series graphics paired with some form of eight core processor, and 802.11n Wi-fi. Most likely with two price tiers, one elite model with kinect and one non-kinect model. Expect USB3 as the standard and a SSD.


MS is going to be the same as Sony. They are going to milk their console as long as they can. I guarantee you, they'll wait until Sony gives a date for release of a PS4, before we see any kind of new Xbox 720 get announced. Then it'll come out a year before the PS4 gets released.


RE: RROD?
By corduroygt on 6/15/2010 2:24:06 PM , Rating: 2
CPU/GPU/Edram haven't merged into a single chip, that would require costly chip redesign/validation/testing. They just stuck the 3 dies inside the same package.


RE: RROD?
By brokenaxiom on 6/15/2010 6:22:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
CPU/GPU/Edram haven't merged into a single chip, that would require costly chip redesign/validation/testing. They just stuck the 3 dies inside the same package.


This very process is already underway. It's actually much cheaper than you think. The final version of the Xbox 360 will be released in 2011 with the new chip and be similar to the PS2 slim in size. The goal for this cycle was to test the integrated Wi-Fi, the new cooling solution, and handle the kinect transition. The next year goal will be to smooth out any issues with the new-very low cost-chip before it's ported to the 2012 next gen Xbox.


RE: RROD?
By iFX on 6/16/2010 5:30:12 PM , Rating: 2
Doubt it.


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