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Steve Jobs didn't shy away from ranting on his favorite topics at D8.  (Source: Engadget)

He even did the robot (or Android?) for a short bit.  (Source: Engadget)

Steve Jobs ponders a puzzling audience question.  (Source: Engadget)
Apple's CEO leaves no stone unturned in a candid interview

Tonight at the eight annual All Things Digital conference (D8 for short) a frequent guest -- Apple CEO, co-founder and "supreme leader" (according to All Things Digital) Steve Jobs -- popped and let loose on a variety of topics during an interview with Walt Mossberg and Kara Swisher (the exchange was liveblogged by Engadget).

Fresh out the gates, Jobs ripped into Adobe on the topic of Flash.  He said, "Flash looks like it had its day but it's waning, and HTML5 looks like it's coming up.  There's no smartphone shipping with Flash."

Jobs not only yet again compared Flash to deceased formats like the 3 and 1/2 inch floppy disk and Hyper Card, but also claims that he's the one being victimized.  He alluded to his recent open letter/rant against Flash, stating, "We told Adobe to show us something better, and they never did. It wasn't until we shipped the iPad that Adobe started to raise a stink about it. We weren't trying to have a fight, we just decided to not use one of their products. They made a big deal of it -- that's why I wrote that letter. I said enough is enough, we're tired of these guys trashing us."

The interview then took a turn into a discussion about Gizmodo, searches, and the infamous lost iPhone prototype.  On this Jobs comments, "Well a guy... who can say if he's a journalist... I can tell you what I do know, though. To make a product you need to test it. You have to carry them outside. One of our employees was carrying one. There's a debate about whether he left it in a bar, or it was stolen out of his bag. The person who found it tried to sell it, they called Engadget, they called Gizmodo."

"The person who took the phone plugged it into his roommates computer. And this guy was trying to destroy evidence... and his roommate called the police. So this is a story that's amazing -- it's got theft, it's got buying stolen property, it's got extortion, I'm sure there's some sex in there."

And towards the end of his talk he commented, "You know, when this whole thing with Gizmodo happened, I got advice from people who said 'you gotta just let it slide, you shouldn't go after a journalist just because they bought stolen property and tried to extort you.' And I thought deeply about this, and I concluded the worst thing that could happen is if we change our core values and let it slide. I can't do that. I'd rather quit."

Those two controversial topics weren't the only ones hit on during this barn-burner interview, though.  Jobs was questioned on the topic of Foxconn where Apple is reportedly subsidizing a pay raise for its overworked employees after a string of 11 suicides, several of which occurred over the last couple weeks.  Jobs remarks, "We are all over this. Foxconn is not a sweatshop."

He says that the suicides are somewhat like a string of suicides that occurred in his home town of Palo Alto.  He comments, "The rate is under what the US rate is, but it's still troubling.  We had this in my hometown of Palo Alto, copy cat suicides. We're over there trying to understand this. It's a difficult situation."

Jobs says that one morning he just woke up and heard about Android.  When asked if he felt betrayed, though, he quipped, "My sex life is pretty good."

But when asked about his search plans, there was little humor in his unequivocal response.  He stated, "We have no plans to go into the search business. We don't care about it -- other people do it well."

On the topic of the iPhone itself Jobs says that AT&T is doing a good job handling its loads of traffic, but complains that they "have issues."  He failed to elaborate further on what these "issues" were, but he did comment that there might be advantages to going with a second carrier in the U.S.  But he said he couldn't talk about that at this time.

Those were among the highlights in what was one of the most candid, at times hilarious, and overall hard-hitting interviews in recent history.  A full video will be linked here, courtesy of All Things Digital, once it gets posted.


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RE: Get over it already.
By kb9fcc on 6/2/2010 11:53:22 AM , Rating: -1
And the phonograph record was the media of choice for over 100 years. Don't see much of those any more, do you? Or how about Beta and VHS tapes, or HD-DVD? No? Even the DVD is going to be replaced by Blu-Ray or... Things change.

Flash is a bloated, proprietary dinosaur. Flash discriminates against the disabled because sites that can only be navigated with Flash require the visitor to have functioning eyes and hands, e.g., since Flash has no text, the visually impaired will not be able to find the Flash navigation menus, use readers to listen to the site, or increase the text size to see it better.

Flash is unfriendly to search engines because there is no text to search if the information is embedded in the Flash content. This effects all search engines, Google, Bing, etc.

If Flash is just being used as a container to deliver video, then there are better, open standards alternatives, namely HTML5.

Finally, the thing that all the Flash fan boys seem to miss is, Flash doesn't play well with ANY touch screen. Period. There is no way to do mouse-overs as Flash currently stands, and probably never will be. This means that any site the uses Flash and depends on mouse-overs will have to be re-written just to support all those touch screens (phones, tablets, etc.) anyway. So why not just go with the open standard, HTML5, and get your site to function with any platform (PC, phone, tablets, iPad) and not get painted into corner again with a proprietary POS?


RE: Get over it already.
By XSpeedracerX on 6/2/2010 3:54:48 PM , Rating: 5
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And the phonograph record was the media of choice for over 100 years. Don't see much of those any more, do you? Or how about Beta and VHS tapes, or HD-DVD? No? Even the DVD is going to be replaced by Blu-Ray or... Things change.


None of those examples apply to flash vs. HTML5 because in each of the those cases, the established format had clear and distinct disadvantages when conpared to the newcomer that made the initially costly switch over from one format to another beneficial to consumers and producers alike. What does HTML5 have over flash to justify converting ones entire catalog of media?

For example, Youtube's database size might be 45TB and all of it is in flash. All of it. Some of it uses the h.264 codec, but this to is only accessible from a flash interface (there you go if you're wondering how apple can have a youtube app). Converting all of that video to HTML5 might be a 20 million dollar investment of time, energy, coding (because the web page used to show the videos will have to be retrofired to support this) and college educated manpower. What does HTML5 offer over flash to both consumer and producer to justify this investment?

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Flash is a bloated, proprietary dinosaur.


So? What about that make it unviable or unprofitable? The same could be said of any incarnation of windows past-present and future, yet it enjoys 98% market share and heres a fact; No matter what radical changes Personal Computing undergoes its a guarantee that your great grandkids will be using windows. probably to surf youtube for some cool vids. With the latest flash plugin of course.

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Flash is unfriendly to search engines because there is no text to search if the information is embedded in the Flash content.


LOL if you think that's actually a detriment to flash. Producers of proprietary premium content DON'T WANT you to be able to easily search through their shit from anywhere. Aside from that, this hasn't stopped youtube's own search engine from working just fine.

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If Flash is just being used as a container to deliver video, then there are better, open standards alternatives, namely HTML5.


LOL again if you think the world is crying out for open standards. Did wonders for linux to be open. You're average windows box user probably couldn't spell Ubuntu without a web search, let alone tell you what it is or what it does (and your average apple acolyte probably doesn't know that ubuntu and OSX are based on the same Kernel.) Did wonders for openoffice to be, uhh...open. Despite doing the same things as a competitor that costs five hundred dollars while it's 100% free to use forever, it's market share is in the single digits while Microsoft five-hundred-dollar office dominates.

It may be fun to romanticize open standards for everything but, uh...get real. All the stuff we want is proprietary. All the producers want to encode it on a closed proprietary system, so that they can protect/encrypt their shit as much as possible so that they know no one gets in without buying a ticket, and whose heads should roll if the safeguards against piracy fail.

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Finally, the thing that all the Flash fan boys seem to miss is, Flash doesn't play well with ANY touch screen. Period.


And what HTML5 fanboi romanticizers seem to forget is NONE OF THAT SHIT MATTERS. None of it. Not even a little. 90% market share means that flash can be old, bloated, not functional and a resource hog, yet giants in the media industry STILL tell Stevie wonder to eat a dick when they are asked to drop support for it, even though that means they are walking away from billions in potential revenue from apple's customers. Why would they do this?

Because they know it's not worth it. It's not worth the time and energy investment required to take a whole catalog of media and move it to HTML5, drop flash, and in the process drop 99% of everyone who watches videos on the internet. It's not even worth it to have a side-by-side HTML5 catalog when 99% of your viewers use flash anyway. I know fantasy land is fun, but it's time to get real.


RE: Get over it already.
By adiposity on 6/2/2010 5:57:57 PM , Rating: 1
wow...just...hammered him.


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