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Proposed fire standards are not likely to make it to final law

Toyota has had record recalls on its vehicles for safety concerns that stemmed from unintended acceleration. The recalls were some of the largest automotive recalls in history, cost the company huge amounts of money, and considerably tarnished its image.

As a result of the recalls and the difficulty that investigators had determining what was causing the sticking accelerator pedals in Toyota vehicles, new safety features are currently being written that will apply to all vehicles starting in the 2015 model year. More safety in vehicles is something that many drivers will appreciate, but the cost of one of the biggest features -- the black box -- may add significantly to the price of a new car.

Automotive News reports that the safety bill could triple the cost of the data recording black boxes used in vehicles today. Some estimates predict that if all the requirements that the NHTSA are proposing make it to be written into law, the cost of the black boxes could swell to $4,000 to $5,000 per unit. That cost would be passed on to the consumer, directly adding to the cost of new vehicles. The massive cost increase feared by automakers and consumer associations is mainly attributed to the proposed regulations that would make the data recorders in automobiles more like those in aircraft with standards for water resistance, fire resistance, and the amount of data the device can record.

Neil De Koker, CEO of the Original Equipment Suppliers Association is, "Any time you add complexity to the vehicle, you're adding a level of cost that will remove a certain number of people that are able to buy a new vehicle."  He added, "For the person that has that technology to make the event recorders, it's a great business opportunity."

Data recorders are already in about half the vehicles on the road according to estimates. The data recorders currently in vehicles are connected to the airbag circuit and can record about five seconds of data before a crash and a second after. Regulators are expected to extend that recording time before and after a crash, adding to the cost of the recorders.

Another issue that will add cost is that many vehicles on the road automatically disconnect the battery in an accident, which would mean that the data recorders would need their own power source to continue to record data.

Andy Whydell from TRW automotive Holdings Corp said, "Within the current airbag control unit design, with some limited modifications, current units could be adapted to meet water resistance and mechanical crash requirements." 

The fire resistance standards would likely be the most costly of the new proposed requirements. The box would have to gain bulk and would require a redesign in where the box is mounted in the car. Whydell said that a fire resistant recorder would probably be about the size of a shoebox.

The fire resistance proposals are the least likely to make it to the final law says Whydell. “The likelihood of really needing this extreme fireproof requirement is one that may not make financial sense for NHTSA,” Whydell said. He expects that in the end the data records in vehicles today will only gain modest updates to record more data and to record that data in a standardized format.

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RE: My plan is better:
By inperfectdarkness on 6/2/2010 8:43:19 AM , Rating: 2
...or because it's irrevelant to the discussion at hand.

driving a standard doesn't make you "a god among men". anyone can drive distracted. it's not like you're going to be shifting a manual when you're chugging along in top gear on the highway; which creates an opportunity for complacency just the same.

no, the issue here isn't one of learning to drive stick. the issue is clearly one involving a lack of driver attention, care, and responsibility.

if you REALLY wanted to "regulate" something, how about allowing all new drivers to drive vehicles only weighing less than 2500 lbs? only experienced, proven drivers get to drive 5000+ vehicles. pure physics tells us that the 5000lbs suv is far, far deadlier from a sheer "force" perspective. it's the same reason why hitting something with a forklift at 5-10 mph is as forceful as hitting the same object with a car at 30 mph.

granted, that's a rather extreme idea (and borderline retarded) but it still makes more sense than blindly decreeing everyone should have to drive stick to pass a license test.

RE: My plan is better:
By MrBlastman on 6/2/2010 9:47:36 AM , Rating: 2
Annnnnnnnnd you fell for the bait. You obviously didn't read my original post at all and failed to comprehend the point I was trying to get across here.

My point was that driving manual transmission is ONE of many examples of what we could do to make the driving test harder. If you re-read what I posted, you will see that I mentioned it isn't a perfect example, but exemplifies what I'd like to see happen--to make the test much harder and stress the participants to the breaking point thus encouraging them to make mistakes.

Mistakes in the driving test leads to failure. If you overload them with enough stimuli, only those who are truly prepared for the challenges of the road will eventually pass, those who aren't, won't. A side effect of this process will be a reduction in those on the road due to the increased failure rate.

Manual Transmissions are one of several ways this can be done, not the only, nor is it perfect due to very few cars being driven with it these days. You must agree though, knowing how to drive it (properly) will make you a better and more versatile driver due to the lessons you will learn in throttle control and less reliance on the brake pedal. It doesn't make you best you can be, but, it does make you "more skilled" at driving.

As for limiting car size--this is America, not a gestapo or communist regime. Forcing people to drive small cars is un-American. If you pass the test, you qualify to drive. Just make the test a lot harder instead. :)

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