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Apple iPad

MSI Wind-Pad
Steve Jobs boasts of 2 million iPads sold

Apple's iPad continues to snare new customers to around the world. Apple was happy to announce earlier in May that it sold over one million iPads in less than a month. Today, thanks to the international launch of the "magical" device, sales have surpassed the two million mark.

This past weekend saw the iPad launch in Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Spain, Switzerland and the UK. Some stores even had customers lining up for hours to get their hands on the device. And as always, Apple CEO Steve Jobs was more than happy to gloat about his company's latest creation.

“Customers around the world are experiencing the magic of iPad, and seem to be loving it as much as we do,” said Jobs. “We appreciate their patience, and are working hard to build enough iPads for everyone.”

In other tablet news, Computex 2010 appears to be shaping up to be a showcase for iPad competitors. Earlier today, we told you about two new tablets from ASUS.

MSI is also getting in on the action with the 10" Wind-Pad. The device features a 1.66GHz Intel Atom processor, 2GB of RAM, and a 32GB SSD. The device runs Windows 7 Home Premium with a custom touch-focused UI running on top. Other features include USB and HDMI ports, Wi-Fi connectivity, and a 3G wireless radio.

According to MSI, the device weighs 1.78 pounds and can operate for up to 8 hours on a charge.

MSI expects to make the Wind-Pad available later this year at a price of around $500.

Updated 5/31/2010 @ 11:48 am

OCW has some additional info on the MSI Wind-Pad. The device features a 1.3MP webcam, a GPS receiver, accelerometer, and a host of MSI-specific software to take advantage of the multi-touch screen.



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RE: Running Windows 7? No thanks
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 5/31/2010 10:17:29 AM , Rating: 5
The only problem is, Windows 7 apps aren't by design really built from the ground up to support touch. And this thing is running a GUI layer on top of the existing Windows 7 OS.

To tell you the truth, give me something Android based with a couple USB ports, Wi-Fi, 3G, and printing support and I'll be happy :)

But to each his own.


RE: Running Windows 7? No thanks
By retrospooty on 5/31/2010 10:24:08 AM , Rating: 3
I think most people still wouldn't want any tablet. Its a cool idea, but cooler as an idea than it is in real world use.

In the end, it boils down to this... if its too big to fit in your pocket and carry around, you might as well buy a real fully functional laptop. They have affordable ultrathins now.

When I compare the ipad to my Lenovo X301 there is no comparison at all. Core 2 cpu, 1440x900 res screen, fully functional OS in Win 7. Neither fit in my pocket, so I go with fully functional since I have to deal with carrying it.

My portable option is still there. I have my Pre and it DOES fit in my pocket, as would any Android, or iphone.


RE: Running Windows 7? No thanks
By Drag0nFire on 5/31/2010 2:30:56 PM , Rating: 2
X301 = $2000
MSI windpad = $500

Certainly, it's not as powerful as your X301. But it's lighter, smaller, and cheaper. For someone who spends significant time commuting on public transportation or traveling, a cheap tablet can offer the ability to surf the web, read a PDF, or watch a movie.

Furthermore, a tablet is something I might carry around my house, use on my couch, etc. A laptop I will put on my desk or table and move myself there when I need it.

I think the tablet form factor will be valuable to many people. It does not replace a laptop or a smartphone, but can offload tasks you're used to doing on each.


RE: Running Windows 7? No thanks
By damianrobertjones on 5/31/2010 2:53:06 PM , Rating: 2
Ok, Acer 1820pt while we're comparing prices.


RE: Running Windows 7? No thanks
By sebmel on 5/31/2010 7:30:47 PM , Rating: 1
What a terrible name!

Wind-pad

Is that something you sit on to disguise flatulence?


RE: Running Windows 7? No thanks
By sebmel on 5/31/2010 7:46:16 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, it's a name more suited to a whoopie cushion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whoopee_cushion

That's a flatulence pad, for those who haven't come across one... a wind-pad.


By retrospooty on 5/31/2010 9:46:13 PM , Rating: 2
My Point is that a small laptop for the same price is preferable since neither fits in your pocket. There are netbooks out there the same screen size for $300 that are more powerful, even with the Atom.

Once the Apple fanboy rush to buy thing wears off and people actually start using them, then realize its not that great of a thing, sales will dwindle.

Smartphones are the future, LAptops are for those that need more power. A smartphone OS in the size of a laptop (read: cant fit in pocket) wont last.


RE: Running Windows 7? No thanks
By Sahrin on 5/31/2010 11:12:02 AM , Rating: 3
The reason to go with Win7 is 1) compatibility, 2) compatibility and 3) compatibility. How many OSX apps are compatible with the iPad? 0. How many iPhone apps work well (from an interface perspective, because it *is* the same OS) on the iPad? 0. It's a unique platform that for core functionality requires customer software.

But for non-interactive content, and for maintenance content, and for administration - I don't *need* the device to have nice touch features. What will be nice is that I can connect my devices together without some idiotic middleware like iTunes.

And the fourth, fifth, sixth and seventh reasons? Take it, Steve: "Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers." Visual Studio is the best development environment in the world today. Making a device Win7 compatible means that you have access to the best tools, the most resources and the biggest development base. It runs all the API's which across the board are the most advanced in the world. It supports the best hardware in the world.

And it does all of this out of the box. Android may match many of these features - but you need a custom(ized) SoC, and special drivers. Atom+Ion runs Win7 and everything else you can think of out of the box.

That people who should know better need this explained to them is mind boggling.


RE: Running Windows 7? No thanks
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 5/31/2010 11:31:21 AM , Rating: 5
I understand what you are saying, but you are looking at this device from an IT/management perspective -- these are clearly consumer-driven tablets.

We're talking a full-blown operating system (which wasn't designed from the start to be a low-power, touch-friendly platform) on a sub-two-pound device.

While it's nice to have full-blown Windows functionality in a tablet form-factor, you're already cutting yourself off at the knees by going with a keyboard-less slate in the first place that uses touch input. So you might as well use an operating system that is designed from the ground up to enhance that experience than one where it is an afterthought.

That's all I'm saying :)


RE: Running Windows 7? No thanks
By MarcLeFou on 5/31/2010 12:11:32 PM , Rating: 2
Granted I haven't tried it for myself but wasn't W7 built with touch functionality in mind ?

Wasn't MS showcassing that big multitouch table thing with W7 before its launch ?


By damianrobertjones on 5/31/2010 2:54:17 PM , Rating: 2
I have, only multiple machines and once you set DPI to 125%, it's absolutely fine/easy/fluid to use as a touch device.


RE: Running Windows 7? No thanks
By Tony Swash on 5/31/10, Rating: 0
RE: Running Windows 7? No thanks
By sebmel on 5/31/2010 12:25:07 PM , Rating: 2
Microsoft are about to announce Visual Studio for the iPad at WWDC.


RE: Running Windows 7? No thanks
By Sahrin on 5/31/2010 1:04:47 PM , Rating: 5
You wasted a lot of time ticking off a bunch of completely irrelevant points which I already had addressed in my original post. But since you seem to want to rehash, I'll play your game.

quote:
a) Tablets are touched based devices


Patronizing people doesn't make you sound smart or your point more sound. It makes you sound like a d***. Yes, tablets are touched based. Thanks.

quote:
b) Windows 7 is an OS with a crude set of touch commands bolted on top - it therefore offers a horrible touch experience for end users.


While I'm not going to get into the particulars of what MS's product can and can't do - I can say I have used *many* Win7 touch devices, and had a great experience on many of those. I would compare my experience to OSX-based touch devices, but there aren't any - so your point is both stupid and pedantic. Native touch app is native. Yes, thanks, now go drink a five-hour-energy and get back to your graphic design project.

quote:
c) MacOSX apps don't run on the iPad and were never intended to and never will becuase the iPad runs the iPhone version of OSX


...Well, first of all, iPhoneOS is not the OSX version of anything - saying so illustrates just how poorly informed you are. It's like saying that WM7 is the Phone version of Win7. It's not. Second, you just hit the nail on the head. OSX apps don't run on the iPad! Thanks, you've lost the argument at this point because you conceded my entire point. The rest is just you trying to argue that the iPad makes you feel better inside - which is alright, some people like having objects shoved into their rectums; but it's not for me.

quote:
d) iPad can run all 240,000 apps in the App store and there were at 1st May (ie only 4 weeks after the iPad launch) already 4,870 apps specifically designed for the iPad. Many more iPad apps are announced each day.


What is this, an Apple ad? Once again, you're trying to sell me something I DO NOT WANT. If it's fine for you, I don't have a problem with that - but don't tell me I'm wrong about what I want (which is what your entire post is about). Yes, the App Store is full of useless crap (and more a few nuggets). So is every application environ for every platform. This isn't relevant to the point - a Win7 tablet is more versatile and useful than a thinOS tablet. You keep conceding this point again and again, because you're tripping all over yourself trying to sell the iPad. Sorry you feel bad about it's shortcomings, but your buyers' remorse has no place here.

quote:
e) The iPhone OS (which runs on the iPhone, iPod Touch and iPad) has a huge developer community and a vast number of Apps and the App store has sold billions of apps.


What is this, an Earnings Call? For Christ's sake we're not watching a sporting event. Don't point to the numbers and use that as a justification for success - Apple's been selling inferior products at a huge markup for decades, it's nothing new.

quote:
f) Current tablets running Windows 7 are very poor and are selling very badly.


I wasn't aware there were any. I hope that helps you understand why.

quote:
g) Because Windows 7 only offers a sub-standard touch experience it is very likely that apps designed to run as touch apps on Windows 7 tablets will be sub-standard and will sell as poorly as the Windows Tablets.


Most of the software I run on my PC is free. I don't care about App sales - and if you are a user of the platform, neither should you. Free is the best price of all. My browser of choice - free. My media player - free. Steam - free. CSS (a free mod for HL2) is free. I don't understand why people look at "finally having the ability to pay for the little knick-knack apps" as a good thing. I like to keep my money.

quote:
h) Apple has already sold more tablets (after just 2 months in the tablet business) than all previous Windows tablets ever sold.


This is just flat out wrong. 2 Million versus tens of millions of tablet PC's over the years? You can spout off your zealotry, but let's stick to the facts.

quote:
i) All the evidence points to the iPad being a huge success in the market and very popular with consumers. Apple will probably sell at least 10 million in year one and even more in subsequent years.


Where did I say this wouldn't be the case? I personally think the iPad is a great product - the only Apple product I've ever been interested in. It just lacks too much for me to consider it; and I think a tablet with a full OS will be superior. I'm sorry this offends your <s>faith</s> <s>beliefs</s> <s>religion</s> ideas about the world, but it's the way I feel - and unlike your position, it happens to be supported by fact and deductive reasoning.

quote:
j) The reason the iPad is selling so well is because what it offers is something consumers want (which among other things includes safety, instant on, speed, beautiful design, well designed and stable touch based OS, a huge number of easily bought and inexpensive touch apps).


Steve Jobs? Is that you? I'm surprised you didn't stick a "magical" in there. I've got to say, nothing is more frustrating to me than the subjugation of reason to some misguided attempt at an emotional connection with a THING! It's a piece of aluminum and silicon! You're acting like it's a freaking holy relic. "People want to connect with their computers!" People like that need therapy. It's a box. That's all. Assigning it more value than that cheapens you.


By StevoLincolnite on 5/31/2010 1:55:05 PM , Rating: 2
Took the words right out of my mouth!

Well said. :)


By Alexstarfire on 5/31/2010 3:46:03 PM , Rating: 2
You do realize he'll probably post that he's never, and will never, buy an iPad, right? Just saying, he likes to be a hypocrite.


RE: Running Windows 7? No thanks
By sprockkets on 5/31/2010 10:45:39 PM , Rating: 2
Just a few points:

quote:
While I'm not going to get into the particulars of what MS's product can and can't do - I can say I have used *many* Win7 touch devices, and had a great experience on many of those. I would compare my experience to OSX-based touch devices, but there aren't any - so your point is both stupid and pedantic. Native touch app is native. Yes, thanks, now go drink a five-hour-energy and get back to your graphic design project.


Perhaps why OSX on the desktop doesn't have touchscreens is because it isn't necessary; it is much easier to use the mouse.

Using a multi-touch pad on a laptop makes sense. Of course, Apple did it first.

quote:
...Well, first of all, iPhoneOS is not the OSX version of anything - saying so illustrates just how poorly informed you are. It's like saying that WM7 is the Phone version of Win7. It's not. Second, you just hit the nail on the head. OSX apps don't run on the iPad! Thanks, you've lost the argument at this point because you conceded my entire point. The rest is just you trying to argue that the iPad makes you feel better inside - which is alright, some people like having objects shoved into their rectums; but it's not for me.


Uh, yes it is. Both are using the same MachBSD kernel, with one for ARM and one for x86. Same as Android, uses the same linux kernel as the desktop (and since Google is too lazy to maintain their branch of code, they just removed it from the official kernel tree). WinCE didn't take the same Win2k kernel and put it on a phone, neither do they use the same dev tools. Apple however uses Objective C for both, with the iphone version adding api's specific for touch.

quote:
This isn't relevant to the point - a Win7 tablet is more versatile and useful than a thinOS tablet.


Perhaps, but without Apple pioneering multi-touch or even using a capacitive screen I doubt Win7 would have ever supported capacitive screens or left the stylus pen I use on my tablet for work. Neither would their phone.

quote:
What is this, an Earnings Call? For Christ's sake we're not watching a sporting event. Don't point to the numbers and use that as a justification for success - Apple's been selling inferior products at a huge markup for decades, it's nothing new.


Maybe for their lousy laptops, but after three generations of iphones, you'd think that they would wise up to their inferior quality. But, they haven't. In fact, they seem to be always rated at the top for satisfaction.

You may think Apple's markups are bad, but you would cringe if I told you the markup on HVAC parts.

quote:
I wasn't aware there were any. I hope that helps you understand why.


Any as in any available or that there aren't any that sell well?

http://www.xploretech.com/ProductsSubPages/ix104c4...

Rugged for my line of work, HVAC. If I lose it I cough up $3700.

Windows 7 has the tablet features in Premium and up. Maybe after failing to make UMPCs and the tablet's before them they will succeed this time. Best of luck to them.

quote:
Most of the software I run on my PC is free. I don't care about App sales - and if you are a user of the platform, neither should you. Free is the best price of all. My browser of choice - free. My media player - free. Steam - free. CSS (a free mod for HL2) is free. I don't understand why people look at "finally having the ability to pay for the little knick-knack apps" as a good thing. I like to keep my money.


Free apps are available on the app store too. Not to mention you have Apple making the marketplace viable by combating piracy thus keeping prices low. Don't believe me? Check out the prices on various games for the iphone vs. Palm or WinMob.

quote:
This is just flat out wrong. 2 Million versus tens of millions of tablet PC's over the years? You can spout off your zealotry, but let's stick to the facts.


Anecdotal, but I've already seen 2 ipads in the wild vs. n 0 pcs outside my organization running XP/Win7 tablet edition. Besides, does anyone have all the sales figures of tablet's? And even if it was 10 million, that's been what, the past 9 years tablet's have been on the market?

Personally I don't see anything in an ipad and I end up hooking up a keyboard to my tablet because the longer it takes for me to input text the less I get paid.


By Alexstarfire on 6/1/2010 4:51:13 AM , Rating: 2
Your reason for not seeing other tablets is simply because pretty much no individual needs one. I'd imagine 99% of the tablets are in the business sector where they can actually be utilized. It's easier to carry around a tablet to use than a clipboard after all, especially if the stuff you write on the clipboard has to go into a computer anyway.


By damianrobertjones on 5/31/2010 2:55:57 PM , Rating: 2
Have you used Windows 7 Touch features or are you repeating what you've read?

The Acer 1820ptz, along with MANY devices really work very well with Touch and ESPECIALLY Multi-touch.

But you'd know that as you've used them... Haven't you?


RE: Running Windows 7? No thanks
By sprockkets on 5/31/2010 12:22:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And the fourth, fifth, sixth and seventh reasons? Take it, Steve: "Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers." Visual Studio is the best development environment in the world today.


While I'm not claiming that Objective C is better/worse, saying that there is a lack of developers for the iphone/ipad platform is retarded.

quote:
I don't *need* the device to have nice touch features.


*You* don't, but everyone else prefers that instead of a ridiculous pen stylus that Windows Tablet had before Apple came along.

quote:
Atom+Ion runs Win7 and everything else you can think of out of the box.


Poorly. And that is due to Intel.

Take it from an actual tablet user: They SUCK. Show me a Win7 tablet with a IE optimized for touch and I'll take that.


RE: Running Windows 7? No thanks
By StevoLincolnite on 5/31/2010 1:58:53 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Poorly. And that is due to Intel.


Atom runs Windows 7 perfectly fine, not poorly at all, it's responsive and fast, most of the time it runs "Poorly" because of a slow HDD or not enough RAM to keep it happy (Or both!). - Remember, the Atom isn't a Core i7, it's not designed to run Crysis.

That's basing it off my experience running Windows 7 on:

Atom 330 1.6ghz Dual Core.
2gb of ram.
PCI Radeon 4350.
500gb Western Digital Caviar Black.

All at a 1920x1080 resolution.


RE: Running Windows 7? No thanks
By Constable odo on 5/31/2010 4:34:50 PM , Rating: 1
I'm sure most consumers will say "No thanks" to a Windows 7 tablet. They just don't want the complexity and bloat. The consumers will vote with their wallets and we'll see how many consumers are clamoring for a Windows 7 tablet six months from now.


By damianrobertjones on 5/31/2010 5:23:45 PM , Rating: 2
You are right, Win7 tablets won't sell at all, like the previous models didn't and thats not due to Windows 7. This time it will be due to people repeating what they;ve read instead of trying the devices.

Apple sold a million the moment they caught the younger gen and the tech pages started going on and on and on and on.

Either way, the iPad is a great product and so will the WIn7 tablets be great products.


By damianrobertjones on 5/31/2010 5:21:32 PM , Rating: 2
Have you increased the DPI to 125%

Also, maybe try Opera with it's speed dial. Great with touch.

Thanks.

Plus IE offers something called zoom. Have a try..


By damianrobertjones on 5/31/2010 5:25:45 PM , Rating: 2
P.s. I ran a HP TC1100 with a 1Ghz CPU for over a moth.. fantastic device and due to knowing how to set it up properly, it ran VERY well.

Auto defrag off
Indexing off
Virtual Mem off
Display DPI 125%

etc


RE: Running Windows 7? No thanks
By nafhan on 6/1/2010 9:33:51 AM , Rating: 2
It doesn't really matter that most Win 7 apps aren't built from the ground up for a touchscreen device. The iPad doesn't run those types of apps anyway, and you won't want to run those apps while using it as a touchscreen.
When using this thing as a tablet, run apps designed with a touchscreen in mind. Then when you do need to run normal Win 7 apps, you can! Just plug in a mouse and keyboard. In other words, this could both replace a normal computer and work as a tablet - something the iPad can't do.


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