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Carlos Ghosn, CEO of Renault and Nissan

Nissan Leaf
Nissan's mass market EV is already sold out in the U.S.

It looks as though Nissan's all-electric Leaf is proving to be quite popular -- and it hasn't even hit U.S. streets yet. Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn said today that the automaker's entire production run for 2010 has been spoken for.

For the U.S., that means that Nissan has already received 13,000 orders for the Leaf. For comparison, Toyota sells roughly 12,500 Prius hybrids in a single month.

Pre-orders for the Nissan Leaf began on April 20 -- those expressing interest in buying the vehicle had to pay a $99 refundable deposit to have their name put on the list. Actual deliveries will begin in December.

“We think there is a big future for this car," said Ghosn according to the Free Press.

The Nissan Leaf will be priced from $32,780 before a $7,500 federal tax credit. Depending on which state you live in, you could qualify for up to an additional $5,000 in credits or rebates.

The Nissan Leaf is powered by a 107hp electric motor and can travel at up to 87 mph. The maximum driving range for the vehicle is a modest 100 miles.



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Where do I plug it
By sandhuatdt on 5/25/2010 9:00:53 PM , Rating: 3
I live in a rented apartment and park my cars on the street. Office parking space is not setup for EV charging. So how will people like me charge these beasts?




RE: Where do I plug it
By GreenEnvt on 5/25/2010 9:10:51 PM , Rating: 5
Well, you won't buy one.
However the 10,000 people who have pre-ordered it either have garages, carports, or long extension cords :)


RE: Where do I plug it
By Oakley516 on 5/25/10, Rating: -1
RE: Where do I plug it
By monkeyman1140 on 5/26/2010 12:07:05 AM , Rating: 5
Could you imagine what the auto industry would have been like in the 1900's if car buyers demanded that gasoline stations be on every corner BEFORE they buy a Ford Model-T?


RE: Where do I plug it
By tallguywithglasseson on 5/26/2010 1:42:16 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Could you imagine what the auto industry would have been like in the 1900's if car buyers demanded that gasoline stations be on every corner BEFORE they buy a Ford Model-T?
Depends. Can I also imagine that said buyers already had cars that ran on whale oil, that got better performance, range, passenger and cargo room than the Model-T, and that there were, in fact, already whale oil stations on every corner?


RE: Where do I plug it
By acase on 5/26/2010 1:13:19 PM , Rating: 2
No, but you can imagine they had horses that ran on food, had equal speed, could go over rougher terrain, and could pull all the cargo room you could need.


RE: Where do I plug it
By muIIet on 5/26/2010 6:56:53 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah but no where to plug in my laptop.


RE: Where do I plug it
By JediJeb on 5/26/2010 12:41:04 PM , Rating: 2
It will be the same thing with EVs and/or fuel cell vehicles. Any change will not occur over night, but if the new vehicles become popular then the infrastructure will follow. The pain is going to be for the early adopters. Luckily for the Model T gasoline was already being used in small engines that powered other items. Most of those also burned kerosene since it was a more popular fuel at the time.

Most early Model T owners did not use the car for every little trip they made so constant readily available fuel was not as important at first. Once EVs prove viable, then there will be more drive to provide the infrastructure needed to support them, but don't expect too much to be available until then.


RE: Where do I plug it
By jimbojimbo on 5/26/2010 2:02:15 PM , Rating: 2
Well it probably wouldn't have gone over well if you had to drive to a gas station then spend 6 hours there while you fill up. Gasoline != electricity.


RE: Where do I plug it
By mAineAc on 5/26/2010 6:11:14 PM , Rating: 3
Your right, but it does not take six hours. The EVs that are out can be charged to 80% in 5-15 minutes. Not much more than stopping at a gas station now. Plug it in, go use the restroom, shop for a bit and you will have a charge that will take you another 80 miles. Most people won't be using them for any distance driving as that is not what they are for, but you can if you want. This distance will go up a lot and charging times are dropping.


RE: Where do I plug it
By chrnochime on 5/26/2010 1:09:46 AM , Rating: 1
That's like saying everyone lives in apartments and need curbside charger....Which is not the case, otherwise WTH buys all those houses across the US anyway?

Blanket statement. Gotta love them.


RE: Where do I plug it
By CharonPDX on 5/26/2010 3:03:07 AM , Rating: 2
I work in Downtown Portland.

I work in a fairly conventional office building, nothing particularly special about it. It's not even "LEED certified" or anything.

Yet in my building's underground parking garage (wild guess: 100-200 parking spots,) there are three EV spots. All three are in use every day. (Well, every day that I've either driven or ridden my bike, anyway.)

Across the street are two of Portland's multiple on-street EV parking spots. This one has been around for years, and contains both conventional 110V U.S. Type B plugs as well as the older high-voltage inductive and conductive paddles.

Three blocks away, directly on the route I walk to and from my bus stop, are two more newer EV charging spots, which I believe only have the 110V Type B outlet. For both the old and new EV parking spots, they are specifically reserved for EVs, but you do have to pay standard parking meter rates. (You do *NOT* have to pay to use the chargers, though.)

The nearest public library to my house has an underground parking garage for maybe 20 vehicles, with one EV spot, which is in use about half the time.

There are multiple businesses (largely restaurants,) in town with EV parking spots right up front to encourage EV drivers to visit.


RE: Where do I plug it
By Oscarine on 5/26/2010 7:57:29 AM , Rating: 5
...Must be because you live in Portland, I haven't seen anything like that in an East Coast metro area.


RE: Where do I plug it
By JediJeb on 5/26/2010 12:34:22 PM , Rating: 2
The question becomes "who pays for the electricity"? If the city is paying for it, then what happens if suddenly the number of EVs in town triple or quadruple? Electricity isn't free, and if the city continued to pay for it then they would be spreading the cost over all the residents and businesses. That would not be fair to everyone unless they also provided the same service to pay for gasoline for those who didn't have EVs yet.


RE: Where do I plug it
By mAineAc on 5/26/2010 6:16:15 PM , Rating: 2
They will probably retrofit parking meters with charging outlets. You will have to pay a fee for charging. Say 15 minutes for $5.00. This funding will help to offset the fuel taxes they will not be getting as well as paying for the electricity.


RE: Where do I plug it
By monkeyman1140 on 5/27/2010 3:26:39 AM , Rating: 2
In California they were free, because the electricity usage to charge them was pretty minimal anyway.
$5.00 for 15 minutes seems excessive since a "Tankful" of electricity will cost around $1.25.

I'm sure free enterprise will result in grifters charging by the minute, its the charging per text message BS all over again.


RE: Where do I plug it
By marvdmartian on 5/26/2010 9:11:26 AM , Rating: 2
Maybe, for a cleaner (neater) look, they could design a way for these cars to recharge utilizing the same technology that smaller electronics do with charging mats?? ;)

I agree totally that the EV market is short-sighted, and pretty much limited to those with a nearby electric outlet. The apartment I lived in until recently (when I bought my house) was a good 50 yards from my parking spot. No way I'd run that much extension cord!!


RE: Where do I plug it
By monkeyman1140 on 5/27/2010 3:28:32 AM , Rating: 2
Well early adopters always have to suffer. Remember what happened to the people that bought Vista on the day it came out.


RE: Where do I plug it
By GTVic on 5/26/2010 1:30:11 AM , Rating: 3
Instead of watching Oprah you will hook up your stationary bike/generator which you keep in the trunk and pedal your way to a full tank.

During the day you will hire homeless people to do the same thing for $3 per hour.


RE: Where do I plug it
By SimpleLance on 5/26/2010 2:31:55 PM , Rating: 3
So, the infrastructure is not there yet for everyone. But that does not mean that this will not become the mode of the future.

Consider the cell phone. Years ago, it was not for everyone. It was only for those who had coverage (i.e., near cell towers). Today, the entire country is covered.

Once EVs become very common, even apartments will have charging stations.


RE: Where do I plug it
By mAineAc on 5/26/10, Rating: 0
RE: Where do I plug it
By mAineAc on 5/26/2010 6:05:10 PM , Rating: 2
expect to see parking meters with outlets in short time.


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