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The world's largest mobile market puts a lock-down on location-based-services; they say a threat to security is to blame.

Thanks to the marvels of modern technology, everyone interested has access to satellite images of the Earth.   With the push of a button, anyone can look anywhere in the world and get a street-view of its location; but this will no longer be the case in the Peoples Republic Of China. 

In an effort to combat what they consider a threat to state security, the Chinese government has set up new regulations that will ban what they consider to be "illegal" maps of the country placed online.

The new regulations include all maps downloaded or copied from the internet onto mobile devices according to The
New York Times.

Chinese officials are concerned that some uploaded satellite maps and images could display sensitive military locations.  Authorities are now strengthening supervision on companies utilizing platforms that provide online maps and geographical information.  They are updating current policies to require that all internet map servers store map data inside the country as well as provide public internet protocol addresses.  

The new policies will affect map services like Bing and Google.  Google recently found itself caught up in a confrontation with China, after the company decided to no longer go along with the country's requirement to censor internet searches in China.  In an effort to work around the censoring restrictions, Google moved its servers to Hong Kong.

Government officials will also require that all map servers "have no record of information leakage in any form in the past three years."  And by December, officials will also crack down on unregistered or illegal map servers.  Those who are deemed in violation of exposing state secrets could be jailed for up to 10 years.

Officials also plan to crack down on unregistered or illegal Internet map servers by December and release blacklists to the public.

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RE: Soviet-era paranoia
By amanojaku on 5/20/2010 1:36:49 PM , Rating: 5
WE are not doing business with China. CORPORATIONS are doing business with China and other countries, claiming it's cheaper for us as consumers. Except that prices go up every year, while quality and safety goes down. Which means a few well-paid executives are reaping the benefits of China's lack of ethics and our lack of local manufacturing. Considering the difference between manufacturing costs and retail costs of things like the iPhone we could easily bring some of those jobs back to the States. Sure, products would not be as cheap, but the US economy would be much better off, and we would all be doing better.

And then I woke up.

RE: Soviet-era paranoia
By Uncle on 5/20/2010 1:56:22 PM , Rating: 5
Why blame the Chinese. Everytime Apple or ? comes out with a new product, the manufactured price vs the selling price doubles in North America. I call that selfish greed. Jobs has taken the old cliche "charge what the market can bare" to a new level. Profit is good, it keeps the economy moving, whose economy is debatable. Another way to look at it is half the money for all the "I" products leaves the country. Then the Chinese have to buy American bonds to help support all the debt that is created by the money leaving in the first place. What a system and mess our beloved Corporations have put us in just to line their egotistical pockets.

RE: Soviet-era paranoia
By masamasa on 5/20/2010 3:12:13 PM , Rating: 3
Well said.

RE: Soviet-era paranoia
By cerx on 5/20/2010 3:25:27 PM , Rating: 2
Why does everyone assume they don't have a choice?! If you don't like it, change it. Quit buying stuff that's not made in America. Talk to your local/state/federal government. Run for government. Start a business yourself.

RE: Soviet-era paranoia
By quiksilvr on 5/20/2010 7:17:30 PM , Rating: 2
We would if the stuff made in America wasn't crap. I would rather buy from Europe or Japan.

RE: Soviet-era paranoia
By knutjb on 5/20/2010 7:40:05 PM , Rating: 2
"Stuff" what stuff? Show me tools made anywhere that are better than Snap-On.

I lived in Europe and not all of their stuff is so wonderful. Though Poland does make much better gardening tools than anything I've seen from China for just a couple dollars more.

You're blanket remark is empty on facts.

RE: Soviet-era paranoia
By gralex on 5/21/2010 6:43:24 AM , Rating: 2
You're forgetting the Scandinavians:)

Fiskars are legendary! Husqvarna ain't bad either...

(and the Swiss got Victorinox)

RE: Soviet-era paranoia
By Strunf on 5/21/2010 7:36:34 AM , Rating: 2
PB Swiss probably make the best screw drivers in the world, then you have Stahlwile and Facom for all other kind of tools...

RE: Soviet-era paranoia
By RjBass on 5/21/2010 11:00:38 AM , Rating: 2
Snap On, great. But what if I want to build a custom PC? Can you give me a list of part options? Keep in mind all the part options must be made in the USA. I don't think it can be done.

RE: Soviet-era paranoia
By AnnihilatorX on 5/21/2010 12:43:10 PM , Rating: 3
RE: Soviet-era paranoia
By bug77 on 5/20/2010 4:54:55 PM , Rating: 2
I take it corporations are some sort of alien entity?

RE: Soviet-era paranoia
By amanojaku on 5/20/2010 5:39:23 PM , Rating: 1
The OP said why are WE doing business with China. Last time I checked, most of us aren't doing business with China. I'm not going to China to buy stuff. I'm not going online to buy stuff from Chinese companies, either. We're doing business with AMERICAN companies, or JAPANESE companies, etc.... THOSE COMPANIES are doing business with China.

The other day I was in Whole Paycheck (Whole Foods) buying groceries when I decided to pick up a metal water bottle. They were all made in China, so I put them all back on the shelf and walked out without a water bottle. I have the utmost respect for Chinese PEOPLE, but Chinese BUSINESSES, and the companies that contract them (i.e. Apple and Foxconn) can suck a fat one. None of my clothes are made in China, my food comes from America, and I try to buy electronics that have never touched China. I don't always have a choice, but whenever I do I exercise the non-Chinese option.

RE: Soviet-era paranoia
By bug77 on 5/20/2010 5:56:07 PM , Rating: 2
Riight. So when someone goes to Walmart to buy the cheapest stuff (made in China), that someone is doing business with an American company. At the same time he's telling the said company: "stuff made in China sells, gimme more". No doubt the "companies" are the culprit here.

I see your point about not having any other options anymore, that's what happens when we buy so much chinese, we put local suppliers out of business.

RE: Soviet-era paranoia
By Penti on 5/20/2010 9:37:36 PM , Rating: 2
US accepted China back in '73.

But anyway stuff like clothes are too expensive to buy from China and you probably buy from somewhere a lot worse where the workers don't even have basic dormitories but might even live in illegal slums with no running water, electricity, sewage or other basic needs.

Can I buy a motherboard not made in China? Probably but then it's some industrial board.

It's frankly retarded to choose to do business with Cambodia, Bangladesh, India, Pakistan and so on, but not China.

Back when Western Europe still had a garment industry the wages was higher then it is in China today, but that's too high for the clothing industry today and they are fleeing it like crazy. Also they have trouble finding workers for it today. It's not the cheap worthless crap that builds China, that has largely already moved to other countries. China is a high technology economy already. Although it has many different faces more and more we will associate them with high tech products and services from mainland China companies.

The worse companies in China is often foreign ones, they are the ones who treat workers like replacement for machines pay them just enough to live in their dormitories and expect them to return happily to the countryside after working for them, rather then having dedicated and proud workers making enough to have a good living and have the ability to do a career in the company. Chinese companies often offer better opportunities, better wages, and really invest in their business. So the foreign companies which don't regard their Chinese facilities as top notch production and design units will be pushed out eventually. They won't be able to compete with the most modern facilities in the world built by others there.

RE: Soviet-era paranoia
By iamezza on 5/21/2010 12:06:14 PM , Rating: 2
most good after-market boards are made in Taiwan

RE: Soviet-era paranoia
By guacamojo on 5/20/2010 5:34:14 PM , Rating: 2
WE are not doing business with China. CORPORATIONS are doing business with China and other countries, claiming it's cheaper for us as consumers.

Hmm. That's not quite true.


Company A makes their product in the US. It costs them $100 to manufacture. They sell it for $150. Gross margin: 50%

Company B makes their competitive product in China. It costs them $70 to manufacture. They sell it for $120. Gross margin: 71%

Supposing both products are equivalent in features, quality, and all the things you look for as a consumer, which one are you going to buy for yourself? Company B is offering you a better deal (save $30!), and they're making more money at the same time. Company A doesn't stand a chance in a price war. They're destined to lose.

I work for a US manufacturer. My company competes against Chinese imports. We even import some components ourselves. It's necessary, because if you don't, you die. The consumer will see to that because they don't care where it's made. The consumer always wants more for their "hard-earned" money. Just look at Walmart's success.

That's free enterprise for you. Every time you make a purchase, you're voting for more of what you just bought. Saying that corporations are doing business with China and we (American consumers) are not is naive.

RE: Soviet-era paranoia
By tophat on 5/20/2010 5:56:03 PM , Rating: 2
GM = (Price-Cost)/Price

RE: Soviet-era paranoia
By fteoath64 on 5/21/2010 12:46:17 AM , Rating: 2
Well if moral people NOT work for such abusive Corporations then they cannot afford to support such countries. Corporations work because of people and unless lemmings are working there. Humans do have a choice.

RE: Soviet-era paranoia
By clovell on 5/21/2010 1:29:44 PM , Rating: 2
Woke up and realized that corporations are enabled by current US trade policies and tariffs that opened free trade with China back during Clinton's presidency?

It's a well-documented corollary of supply and demand, as well as social darwinism, that corporations are going to be interested in their own survival. That's why we have a government that can guide trade policies.

It's about time we started havign some tit-for-tat with China with regards to our trade regulations with them. When we do something they don't like, they impose tariffs or restrictions, but when it goes the other way, we turn a blind eye.

China's running with the big dogs now and they need tostart getting treated like it.

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