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Pirate Bay admins say servers are unaffected

Piracy is one of those subjects that raise strong arguments on both sides of the issue. The major film and music studios along with major software companies claim they lose millions to piracy each year. At the same time, the legal campaigns and lawsuits brought against the internet users accused of piracy often cast much too wide a net and rake in innocent users who are harassed for things they didn’t do.

The saga surrounding the largest pirate network in the world called The Pirate Bay has raged for years. The site has been in legal hot water on multiple occasions and is still up and operating. The latest happening in the saga is that the bandwidth its provider has been forced to stop providing access to the internet for The Pirate Bay's servers.

The shutdown occurred after several major movie studios obtained the injunction from a German court. The injunction forced CB3ROB Ltd. & Co to stop providing access to The Pirate Bay. Administrators of TPB have backup plans in the works already reports 
TorrentFreak and are working on rerouting their servers, which were unaffected by the injunction, to a new provider. The Pirate Bay will reportedly be down for several hours while the site is routed via an IP-tunnel to a new provider. 

With movie studios unable to shut The Pirate Bay down directly, some studios have taken to going after those who download from the site and other torrent sites directly. Anyone who downloaded the film
The Hurt Locker illegally has a chance of being sued by the producers of the movie.



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RE: crap
By xpax on 5/17/2010 12:46:19 PM , Rating: 2
I haven't. Couldn't care less. They can do whatever they like. I'll do what I like. You can't get blood from a stone.

They'll never give us what we want, because we want it. That makes it automatically bad in their minds. $2 for a movie, or $0.50 for a TV episode would get me to pay. But it has to be in H.264/MKV. No weird non-standard .mp4 files, and no DRM.

I haven't had any problems with quality from torrents. Just know what you're looking for, read the comments before downloading and you'll be fine.


RE: crap
By iFX on 5/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: crap
By quiksilvr on 5/17/2010 12:57:07 PM , Rating: 2
It's a mixed bag. I agree that their creative works need to be priced at some way, but piracy is so extensive that we need a GrooveShark solution.

Hulu and Netflix are a step in the right direction, but I would like to see a lot more digital. I want to see 480p, 720p and 1080p .avi digital options that are either free with advertisements or a small monthly fee without advertisements. Replace the television cable providers with a cheap, simple, YouTube like system that has all types of shows, sports, movies, etc. that I can load on the fly whenever I want right from my couch.


RE: crap
By xpax on 5/17/2010 1:08:23 PM , Rating: 2
Typically speaking, the market sets the price. If they decide on a price that is higher than people are willing to pay, the end result is piracy.

But sure, they can set their prices at whatever they'd like. It'd just be easier for them to price things according to what the market is willing to pay. More sales, less piracy.

PS. "Stealing" -- amusing. I own more legit non-used DVDs than most people (1100+ at last count). Even if it were stealing (which it isn't), I've also given them more revenue than the next 3 people put together.


RE: crap
By iFX on 5/17/2010 1:48:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Typically speaking, the market sets the price. If they decide on a price that is higher than people are willing to pay, the end result is piracy.

Thanks for verifying what I said. If people don't like the prices they justify stealing (or, more specifically, using the product without a license, which is the same thing).


RE: crap
By xpax on 5/17/2010 1:56:20 PM , Rating: 2
Correct. If the price is too high, piracy is justified.


RE: crap
By iFX on 5/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: crap
By xpax on 5/17/2010 3:40:42 PM , Rating: 2
Not stealing. Nobody has lost anything in the equation. The price was too high, and thus a sale was never an option.

PS - No, I don't care what the dictionary definition of "stealing" or "theft" is.


RE: crap
By iFX on 5/17/2010 3:50:55 PM , Rating: 2
Using the product without paying for it is stealing.

You sure have to justify a lot to keep your conscious clean.


RE: crap
By xmichaelx on 5/17/2010 4:34:23 PM , Rating: 2
By your definition, taking a piss during the commercials in a TV show is akin to "stealing" the show. Ditto for using AdBlock. You've consumed the content in a way inconsistent with the wishes of the content creator.


RE: crap
By iFX on 5/17/10, Rating: -1
RE: crap
By afkrotch on 5/18/2010 12:03:41 AM , Rating: 2
Except you didn't steal anything. You did use something without permission (not paying), but by no means did you take a physical item, product, or otherwise from the company.

Copyright infrigement does not equal stealing. Sure, it's not right, but it's not stealing.

Dowling v. United States (1985). Sorry, Supreme Court has ruled copyright infrigement to not be theft.


RE: crap
By StevoLincolnite on 5/18/2010 2:44:14 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Except you didn't steal anything. You did use something without permission (not paying), but by no means did you take a physical item, product, or otherwise from the company. Copyright infrigement does not equal stealing. Sure, it's not right, but it's not stealing.


I think it could also be said that the Movie companies have been stealing from us for years.

Go to a place like China, you will pay but a fraction of the price for a legit movie compared to any European nation (US, AU, NZ, UK etc'). - Even if you account for the dollar differences and inflation etc'.

And yet, they still cry that Pirates are ruining the industry, while they still walk to the bank with multi-billion dollar profits on movies. (Avatar.)

Then they turn to ISP's, even the people to try to sue them into oblivion, send threatening letters and the sorts.
To me the movie industry is like a modern day mafia who thinks they can boss everyone around, and aren't willing to adapt to a changing media landscape.


RE: crap
By cerx on 5/17/2010 3:13:13 PM , Rating: 2
And every time you steal a movie Hollywood execs just see a bigger market. If you don't like it, don't steal it. Use Netflix and/or Redbox and see it for cheap.


RE: crap
By xpax on 5/17/2010 3:42:59 PM , Rating: 2
Some of us can't use Netflix, Redbox (whatever that is) or Hulu. Netflix and Hulu are arbitrarily limited to the US.


RE: crap
By LRonaldHubbs on 5/17/2010 2:18:00 PM , Rating: 5
No, it's not the same thing. Pirating movies is copyright infringement. Different laws, different crimes.


RE: crap
By cerx on 5/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: crap
By afkrotch on 5/18/2010 12:09:02 AM , Rating: 2
Congrats, still doesn't mean that copyright infrigement is stealing/theft. You can debate all day, but courts have shown, it is not such. At least in the US. In Britain, it's theft. In the US, it's not.

I'm assuming majority of us on this site are from the US.


RE: crap
By Hyperion1400 on 5/17/2010 6:11:09 PM , Rating: 2
Fredrick the Great's Instructions to His Generals
Article 3: Of Sutlers, Beer, and Brandy

"As soon as an army enters an enemy's country, all the brewers and distillers who are in the neighborhood must immediately be put in requisition: the distillers, in particular, must be instantly set to work, that the soldier may not lase his dram, which he can very badly spare"

Bare with me, I'm getting to the good part. Basically, what FtG is saying is that alcohol is required to maintain the function of an army by means of maintaining moral. So, although it does not directly nourish the soldier, it does lead to his eventual survival.

"...where provisions cannot be had for money. At such a time we are justified in not being overly nice with respect to the peasantry."

"...The price of provisions is however, a matter that requires much attention, as the soldier ought to be allowed to purchase at a reasonable price, and at the same time the sutler should derive an honest profit."

I think the last two are self-explanatory. You get your nuts slapped if you try to price gouge and profit monger. In FtG's day, it was probably a quite literal nut slap, but in today's world it comes in the form of "piracy". So, it can be said that "piracy" of popular media is a result of Big Corporation's ineptitude and not mere douche-baggary.


RE: crap
By afkrotch on 5/17/2010 11:55:29 PM , Rating: 2
You do know that .mp4 is a standard. There's a lot more hardware support for h.264 mp4, than there is h.264 mkv.


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