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Pirate Bay admins say servers are unaffected

Piracy is one of those subjects that raise strong arguments on both sides of the issue. The major film and music studios along with major software companies claim they lose millions to piracy each year. At the same time, the legal campaigns and lawsuits brought against the internet users accused of piracy often cast much too wide a net and rake in innocent users who are harassed for things they didn’t do.

The saga surrounding the largest pirate network in the world called The Pirate Bay has raged for years. The site has been in legal hot water on multiple occasions and is still up and operating. The latest happening in the saga is that the bandwidth its provider has been forced to stop providing access to the internet for The Pirate Bay's servers.

The shutdown occurred after several major movie studios obtained the injunction from a German court. The injunction forced CB3ROB Ltd. & Co to stop providing access to The Pirate Bay. Administrators of TPB have backup plans in the works already reports 
TorrentFreak and are working on rerouting their servers, which were unaffected by the injunction, to a new provider. The Pirate Bay will reportedly be down for several hours while the site is routed via an IP-tunnel to a new provider. 

With movie studios unable to shut The Pirate Bay down directly, some studios have taken to going after those who download from the site and other torrent sites directly. Anyone who downloaded the film
The Hurt Locker illegally has a chance of being sued by the producers of the movie.

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By p05esto on 5/17/2010 12:02:13 PM , Rating: 5
I've stopped downloading after hearing about the Hurt Locker threat. Not worth it. But, we REALLY need a site to buy downloadable movies from in the same way we buy music. I want movies for $2-$4 that are mine to watch as digital files without any DRM, NONE. Save the packaging, distrubition and all of that. Just sell cheap movies and no one will pirate, you'll make up in quantity for the cheaper price because at $3 a movie I'd much rather download a legit and good quality version than something off bittorrent that is poor quality, a cam, a virus, out of sync, etc etc etc. Wake up entertainment industry, the opportunity is knocking at your door - don't sue, give people what they want instead!

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By Danish1 on 5/17/2010 12:17:58 PM , Rating: 5
You are right but unfortunately the movie industry doesn't understand figures which lacks several zeroes and they'd rather corrupt politicians to make nations pay for enforcing privacy invading laws than sell their goods at a decent price.

Most people that I know would rather be legal and could live with paying 3 dollars for a crap movie but they refuse to pay 25 dollars for one so they download it to check it out instead.....and there are a hell of a lot of crap movies being made.

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By RW on 5/17/2010 1:07:43 PM , Rating: 1
All those claims that film and music studios along with major software companies supposedly lose millions to internet piracy each year are groundless.
For a fact just compare the income of film and music industry before the Bittorrent and Filesharing programs were ever invented before year 1999-2001 when Napster one of the first filesharing programs was created, so compare their income before year 1999 with the income they get now when Filesharing programs are supposedly more widely used. You'l be amazed to see that their income had risen instead compared to the pre 1999 non Filesharing era.

The less people will see copyrighted content on the web the less they will be interested into it, the less the copyrighted content will gain market adoption, the less actors, musicians and studios will gain fame and money.


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By PlasmaBomb on 5/17/2010 3:14:42 PM , Rating: 5
Home taping is killing music


( Because I like the picture :))

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By RW on 5/18/10, Rating: 0
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By Dorkyman on 5/18/2010 2:41:01 PM , Rating: 2
BTW PirateBay is back up.

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By ZionSith on 5/17/2010 6:46:47 PM , Rating: 3
Have you noobs heard of usenet yet and know how to access it? For as little as $8/month you can safely download all you want as fast as your internet connection will allow encrypted at 256 bits from companies like Astraweb. And with certain usnet indexing sites you dont even need to download headers. Some indexing site are also using secure connections. ISP providers will have a tough time throttling these connections and besides they can't tell what you are downloading. If you are familiar with these services from the past, rentention rates have grown on several providers to well over 600 days.

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By fifolo on 5/17/2010 9:57:38 PM , Rating: 4
allow me pass on the three most important facts about usenet:

1- never talk about usenet
2- never talk about usenet
3- never talk about usenet

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By xsilver on 5/17/2010 11:55:18 PM , Rating: 3
4. its too hard for noobs to use usenet

Thing is, I think the studios are fine with having "crap product" as people say and they are also fine with charging too much for it. Its business 201 - would you rather have 1000 sales at $1 each or 100 sales at $10 each? Less sales means there are still more "potential" customers especially since there isnt any competition to their product. Piracy IS basically their competition, and this is their way of muscling them out.

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By StevoLincolnite on 5/18/2010 2:37:36 AM , Rating: 2
allow me pass on the three most important facts about usenet: 1- never talk about usenet 2- never talk about usenet 3- never talk about usenet

True... However what happens if I am with an ISP that gives me free Usenet access, advertises such a feature to the general public anyway? - That's what my ISP does (Internode).

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By Thalyn on 5/19/2010 12:59:15 AM , Rating: 2
That's basically it - the huge quantity of crap is leading to movies (and music, and games, etc) being downloaded. Fool me once and so forth.

Personally, I have never downloaded a movie. I have, however, received copies from people I know for the purposes of previewing the movie before I decide whether I buy it or not. I have never kept a copy of a movie that I have watched, unless said movie is simply not available to purchase. Why? Because if it was any good I bought it (full retail price - AU$35 on average, because I buy BluRay) and if it wasn't than I wasn't going to buy it anyway. As a result, I own over 400 different titles; not including series.

Why not just rent it? For starters, it's nice to be able to watch it - rented discs over here are invariably in terrible condition. Second, frequently the Pirate versions come out with or before the US DVD release - a good few months before I even have the option to rent (sometimes even before I have the option to see it in a cinema). This is also why I own multiple copies of some movies, as I've purchased both a region 1 and region 4 version (there's been a 3 year lapse between releases for some of them).

Piracy is only detrimental to the industry if all they release is crap. But that's only because of the few people who accidentally buy that crap, rather than previewing it first and learning that they shouldn't.

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By Cullinaire on 5/17/2010 12:24:16 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, the studios could learn from some pirate groups that do a good job of packaging their releases...with high res sleeve & disc scans and a super cool ASCII art .nfo.
I'd love to see studio logos in ASCII art...ha!

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By iFX on 5/17/2010 12:43:04 PM , Rating: 2
The possibility of repercussions is what keeps most people from committing criminal acts. You are now a statistic.

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By xpax on 5/17/2010 12:46:19 PM , Rating: 2
I haven't. Couldn't care less. They can do whatever they like. I'll do what I like. You can't get blood from a stone.

They'll never give us what we want, because we want it. That makes it automatically bad in their minds. $2 for a movie, or $0.50 for a TV episode would get me to pay. But it has to be in H.264/MKV. No weird non-standard .mp4 files, and no DRM.

I haven't had any problems with quality from torrents. Just know what you're looking for, read the comments before downloading and you'll be fine.

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By iFX on 5/17/10, Rating: 0
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By quiksilvr on 5/17/2010 12:57:07 PM , Rating: 2
It's a mixed bag. I agree that their creative works need to be priced at some way, but piracy is so extensive that we need a GrooveShark solution.

Hulu and Netflix are a step in the right direction, but I would like to see a lot more digital. I want to see 480p, 720p and 1080p .avi digital options that are either free with advertisements or a small monthly fee without advertisements. Replace the television cable providers with a cheap, simple, YouTube like system that has all types of shows, sports, movies, etc. that I can load on the fly whenever I want right from my couch.

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By xpax on 5/17/2010 1:08:23 PM , Rating: 2
Typically speaking, the market sets the price. If they decide on a price that is higher than people are willing to pay, the end result is piracy.

But sure, they can set their prices at whatever they'd like. It'd just be easier for them to price things according to what the market is willing to pay. More sales, less piracy.

PS. "Stealing" -- amusing. I own more legit non-used DVDs than most people (1100+ at last count). Even if it were stealing (which it isn't), I've also given them more revenue than the next 3 people put together.

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By iFX on 5/17/2010 1:48:19 PM , Rating: 2
Typically speaking, the market sets the price. If they decide on a price that is higher than people are willing to pay, the end result is piracy.

Thanks for verifying what I said. If people don't like the prices they justify stealing (or, more specifically, using the product without a license, which is the same thing).

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By xpax on 5/17/2010 1:56:20 PM , Rating: 2
Correct. If the price is too high, piracy is justified.

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By iFX on 5/17/10, Rating: 0
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By xpax on 5/17/2010 3:40:42 PM , Rating: 2
Not stealing. Nobody has lost anything in the equation. The price was too high, and thus a sale was never an option.

PS - No, I don't care what the dictionary definition of "stealing" or "theft" is.

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By iFX on 5/17/2010 3:50:55 PM , Rating: 2
Using the product without paying for it is stealing.

You sure have to justify a lot to keep your conscious clean.

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By xmichaelx on 5/17/2010 4:34:23 PM , Rating: 2
By your definition, taking a piss during the commercials in a TV show is akin to "stealing" the show. Ditto for using AdBlock. You've consumed the content in a way inconsistent with the wishes of the content creator.

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By iFX on 5/17/10, Rating: -1
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By afkrotch on 5/18/2010 12:03:41 AM , Rating: 2
Except you didn't steal anything. You did use something without permission (not paying), but by no means did you take a physical item, product, or otherwise from the company.

Copyright infrigement does not equal stealing. Sure, it's not right, but it's not stealing.

Dowling v. United States (1985). Sorry, Supreme Court has ruled copyright infrigement to not be theft.

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By StevoLincolnite on 5/18/2010 2:44:14 AM , Rating: 2
Except you didn't steal anything. You did use something without permission (not paying), but by no means did you take a physical item, product, or otherwise from the company. Copyright infrigement does not equal stealing. Sure, it's not right, but it's not stealing.

I think it could also be said that the Movie companies have been stealing from us for years.

Go to a place like China, you will pay but a fraction of the price for a legit movie compared to any European nation (US, AU, NZ, UK etc'). - Even if you account for the dollar differences and inflation etc'.

And yet, they still cry that Pirates are ruining the industry, while they still walk to the bank with multi-billion dollar profits on movies. (Avatar.)

Then they turn to ISP's, even the people to try to sue them into oblivion, send threatening letters and the sorts.
To me the movie industry is like a modern day mafia who thinks they can boss everyone around, and aren't willing to adapt to a changing media landscape.

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By cerx on 5/17/2010 3:13:13 PM , Rating: 2
And every time you steal a movie Hollywood execs just see a bigger market. If you don't like it, don't steal it. Use Netflix and/or Redbox and see it for cheap.

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By xpax on 5/17/2010 3:42:59 PM , Rating: 2
Some of us can't use Netflix, Redbox (whatever that is) or Hulu. Netflix and Hulu are arbitrarily limited to the US.

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By LRonaldHubbs on 5/17/2010 2:18:00 PM , Rating: 5
No, it's not the same thing. Pirating movies is copyright infringement. Different laws, different crimes.

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By cerx on 5/17/10, Rating: 0
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By afkrotch on 5/18/2010 12:09:02 AM , Rating: 2
Congrats, still doesn't mean that copyright infrigement is stealing/theft. You can debate all day, but courts have shown, it is not such. At least in the US. In Britain, it's theft. In the US, it's not.

I'm assuming majority of us on this site are from the US.

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By Hyperion1400 on 5/17/2010 6:11:09 PM , Rating: 2
Fredrick the Great's Instructions to His Generals
Article 3: Of Sutlers, Beer, and Brandy

"As soon as an army enters an enemy's country, all the brewers and distillers who are in the neighborhood must immediately be put in requisition: the distillers, in particular, must be instantly set to work, that the soldier may not lase his dram, which he can very badly spare"

Bare with me, I'm getting to the good part. Basically, what FtG is saying is that alcohol is required to maintain the function of an army by means of maintaining moral. So, although it does not directly nourish the soldier, it does lead to his eventual survival.

"...where provisions cannot be had for money. At such a time we are justified in not being overly nice with respect to the peasantry."

"...The price of provisions is however, a matter that requires much attention, as the soldier ought to be allowed to purchase at a reasonable price, and at the same time the sutler should derive an honest profit."

I think the last two are self-explanatory. You get your nuts slapped if you try to price gouge and profit monger. In FtG's day, it was probably a quite literal nut slap, but in today's world it comes in the form of "piracy". So, it can be said that "piracy" of popular media is a result of Big Corporation's ineptitude and not mere douche-baggary.

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By afkrotch on 5/17/2010 11:55:29 PM , Rating: 2
You do know that .mp4 is a standard. There's a lot more hardware support for h.264 mp4, than there is h.264 mkv.

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By semo on 5/17/2010 1:45:31 PM , Rating: 2
they'll give you some of downloadable goodness (DRM infested, low qality in the beginning i'm sure) but that won't stop them suing

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By Omega215D on 5/17/2010 2:57:22 PM , Rating: 2
If that happens it'll be like what Ubi did with Splinter Cell Conviction: "Permanent Internet Connection Required for Viewing"

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By bigboxes on 5/17/2010 2:19:23 PM , Rating: 1
You are so right. If the entertainment industry had a reasonable business model I would participate. I feel no guilt in downloading a digital copy that someone else has uploaded. The industry cannot win. They can take away p2p on gnutella and then bittorent pops up. They can stop the trackers and BT goes trackerless. They can find a way to take down any sites that point to releases and torrents and digital sharing will still continue. It's just not technically possible without a police state. You either have free information or you do not.

Like you said, wake up entertainment industry. Your business model is not viable. Either change or become irrelevant. Sue and make enemies out of your customers. Blue-Ray is just about dead. Digital purchases and streaming are going to be the preferred format from here on out. Blockbuster will go under in 2-3 years, if that. Give the customer what he wants. It works that way for every other industry. The days of people buying whatever you put in front of them are gone. Sales are down due to piracy? Uh, no. Their down due to Hollywood's dependence on craptastic CGI movies and hip-hop techno clones. You put out crap and people stop purchasing. Comprende? Of course not. That's why you're resorting to suing your customer base.

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By afkrotch on 5/18/2010 12:16:31 AM , Rating: 2
Blu-ray is just about dead? When did that happen? Last I checked, it was still alive. All those nice digital purchases and streaming? Guess what? They don't work in majority of the world. Let alone, outside of the US.

I've lived the past 11 years outside of the US and guess how many digital purchases and streaming of movies/tv shows have I done? None. None of them work. Not on my PS3, not on my 360, not on my PC, not at all.

Digital purchases and streaming of movies/tv shows can suck my huge donkey balls.

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By bigboxes on 5/18/2010 8:48:13 AM , Rating: 2
Dead as in gaining no traction in market share. The move to digital downloads and streaming has already begun. I'm guessing you live in a place in the world that doesn't have broadband. That's a shame. Just because technology hasn't filtered to your corner of the world does not mean it's not coming.

Blu-Ray? What do you need that for? You obviously upgraded your technology to utilize that (giant hi-def flatscreen, 7-channel receiver and high end speaker system). Technology has evolved faster than the past. Blu-Ray won the battle (HD-DVD), but lost the war (digital delivery/streaming). Netflix already allows you the ability to stream a large portion of their collection. As broadband improves you will see an increase in this activity. You want to cling to Hollywood's overpriced/low quality model then by all means continue to do so. Still don't believe me? Check out the last CES and see what they trend is in the electronics industry. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where technology is going.

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By Hyperion1400 on 5/18/2010 10:55:39 PM , Rating: 2
7-channel receiver

Talk about dead tech. Most people use 6 channel for 8 channel receivers. And, Yamaha's flagship is an 11 channel receiver!!!

Quadraphonic bass baby!

Anyway, until NF figures out how to stream video at higher than 3mbps than they are no competition for Bluray. In a few years, when ISPs decide to get off their collective asses, we may have fast enough internet to DL/stream movies at a reasonable rate, but right now, physical media still hold a major edge in terms of quality.

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By Jalek on 5/19/2010 9:54:58 AM , Rating: 2
You might see an increase in streaming, but ISP's will be clamping down as streaming demand grows.

Comcast's 250gb isn't hard to reach streaming 1080 video for DirecTV's on-demand as it is, and their limit's higher than some other ISP's.

Many digital "purchase" systems are still far too restrictive, people won't want to repurchase movies every time they change hardware components as some of these schemes require.

Get past those issues and streaming could very well end physical media distribution.

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By eddieroolz on 5/17/2010 6:02:20 PM , Rating: 2
I haven't stopped downloading yet, but I agree with you. If they were well-priced then I would honestly consider buying it.

However I think the Western movie/music industry has dug its own grave in my mind. After all their legal threats/actions to others, I can't find myself ever being able to justify supporting the artists that belong to the MPAA/RIAA. Even if they were priced at $3.

On the other hand, I have no issue paying $30 for a CD, then another $15 for internatinal shipping from Japan. Because the label that I buy from is an independent label and I genuinely love their music.

I think that the RIAA/MPAA really screwed their own reputation with all these lawsuits. Now, I would download them even though I have the money to buy them - because these groups really piss me off.

/My $0.02

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By afkrotch on 5/17/2010 11:51:29 PM , Rating: 2
You can't cut out distribution. You think servers, ISPs, and network techs are magically free for them?

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By marvdmartian on 5/24/2010 12:10:19 PM , Rating: 2
Isn't it amazing, though, that even with all the MPAA/RIAA lawsuits, that people STILL continue to download via torrent and other easily traced sharing methods?

A good friend of mine, who is fairly savvy online, got nailed a couple years ago, when downloading a movie via torrent. Said he got good speed, all the way up to 99% complete, then it hung. He left it online for a few days, never got the complete file, then gave up on it. A few weeks later, he got a nice letter from his ISP, telling him he'd been identified as illegally downloading copyrighted material.

I guess most people figure that there's so many torrent sharers out there that they simply stand too low a chance of being caught, eh?

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