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"Man I love HTML5, but that Flash really gives me a headache!" "Me too, Steve, oh my gosh!!"  (Source: Coder Log)
Microsoft also supports use of proprietary video codec -- h.264

Proponents of HTML5, a hot new web standard that adds video and audio capabilities to the HTML stable, say that it is essential to free the web from the proprietary clutches of Adobe, maker of Flash.  Critics says that it's just a pretty box for another proprietary offering.  They point out that while HTML5 as an open standard could support open video standards like Ogg Theora, all the industry' major players have embraced h.264 -- a proprietary video codec -- as the future of HTML5, essentially killing the hopes of widespread support or adoption of an open codec.

Apple is a big fan of h.264 and a big fan of HTML5.  It doesn't think much of Adobe, though.

Perhaps a more important question, though, is where does Microsoft, who holds more than 90 percent of the operating system market, stand on this issue?   

Interestingly, in a blog to web developers, Microsoft's General Manager for Internet Explorer, Dean Hachamovitch agrees with Apple's assessment.  He states that HTML5 is the "future of the web".  He then proceeds to toss dirt at Adobe, commenting that their "reliability, security, and performance" haven't been so great.

He then softens the blow a bit, remarking that Flash is important to "a good consumer experience on today's web" -- but only because there's not many alternatives widely available currently (most users use Internet Explorer, which doesn't currently support HTML5).

Interestingly, in the talk the Microsoft exec totally ignores Microsoft's own proprietary plug-in Silverlight that it's long been trying to peddle.

Microsoft and Apple agreeing on HTML5?  Microsoft following "Apple's line" with the Windows Phone 7 smart phone operating system?  Windows 7 being fully supported on Boot Camp?  You'd think that Microsoft and Apple were old buddies, not bitter rivals.  What's the world coming to?

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RE: Did they, actually do this....
By elvarsteinn on 4/30/2010 2:51:34 PM , Rating: 5
Well just to point it out, there is SVG ( - not supported by IE yet) for open vector graphics, which in conjunction with JavaScript and HTML5 could provide you with a lot of the Flash functionality you mentioned.

Still not saying Flash will be replaced (not yet anyway). But we all know what eventually became of Java Applets, which were considered to be guaranteed as the future of the web. Who's to say eventually HTML6 or so entirely replaces Flash/SL?

To prove a point, here's a 3D-Engine demo written in JavaScript/HTML5 (requires Opera, Chrome or FireFox(slowest)):

RE: Did they, actually do this....
By B3an on 4/30/2010 4:16:01 PM , Rating: 2
I know about SVG but that combined with Java and HTML still could not do what i want.
But lets just say it could... why would i use this for my work when it can all be done in Flash with superior animation tools (and even the graphics are drawn in Flash without the need for something like Photoshop). It would take longer any other way and if i already didn't know Java and HTML so well, i'd also have to learn them, so the learning curve is also higher.

And again, HTML 6 or HTML 100 could never replace Flash or SL. It's simply not made for certain things.

The link with the 3D demo, that would use Java for the actual engine. HTML would only be used for simple things as it could never do anything like that on it's own.

RE: Did they, actually do this....
By B3an on 4/30/2010 4:21:44 PM , Rating: 2
BTW i'd like to add, that Flash's ActionScript and SL's .NET are updated more regularly than HTML is. So by the time HTML6 (for instance) is complete, Flash and SL's coding languages would have gone through many new versions and updates. And new versions are the software are released yearly.

Now look at how long it's taken for HTML4 to get to HTML5, and it's still not complete until 2012.

It's one of the few benefits of having one company control something, as with open standards they often take forever to be updated.

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