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"Man I love HTML5, but that Flash really gives me a headache!" "Me too, Steve, oh my gosh!!"  (Source: Coder Log)
Microsoft also supports use of proprietary video codec -- h.264

Proponents of HTML5, a hot new web standard that adds video and audio capabilities to the HTML stable, say that it is essential to free the web from the proprietary clutches of Adobe, maker of Flash.  Critics says that it's just a pretty box for another proprietary offering.  They point out that while HTML5 as an open standard could support open video standards like Ogg Theora, all the industry' major players have embraced h.264 -- a proprietary video codec -- as the future of HTML5, essentially killing the hopes of widespread support or adoption of an open codec.

Apple is a big fan of h.264 and a big fan of HTML5.  It doesn't think much of Adobe, though.

Perhaps a more important question, though, is where does Microsoft, who holds more than 90 percent of the operating system market, stand on this issue?   

Interestingly, in a blog to web developers, Microsoft's General Manager for Internet Explorer, Dean Hachamovitch agrees with Apple's assessment.  He states that HTML5 is the "future of the web".  He then proceeds to toss dirt at Adobe, commenting that their "reliability, security, and performance" haven't been so great.

He then softens the blow a bit, remarking that Flash is important to "a good consumer experience on today's web" -- but only because there's not many alternatives widely available currently (most users use Internet Explorer, which doesn't currently support HTML5).

Interestingly, in the talk the Microsoft exec totally ignores Microsoft's own proprietary plug-in Silverlight that it's long been trying to peddle.

Microsoft and Apple agreeing on HTML5?  Microsoft following "Apple's line" with the Windows Phone 7 smart phone operating system?  Windows 7 being fully supported on Boot Camp?  You'd think that Microsoft and Apple were old buddies, not bitter rivals.  What's the world coming to?

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By Tony Swash on 4/30/2010 1:06:52 PM , Rating: 0
Plain and simple, Jobs wants control and will say anything to get it. In my opinion I don't think it would have mattered if Adobe was a good product and worked good on Macs, he wants to full control over the way the web works, and the only way to do that is to get rid of adobe.

"Of course - now understand - what a clever strategy - back an open standard like HTML5, open source all the work Apple does on Webkit so everyone (including your competitors can use it), include Ruby on the Rails in your OS release ... eh ... wait a minute"

Please - how does supporting an open standard like HTML5 lead to Apple controlling the web and how does not supporting as (piss poor) proprietary system like Flash help Apple control the web? What you are saying makes no sense.

As far as I can see Apple, like Google, wants an open web to thrive because neither company is worried about their products competing in an open market. As long as its devices are not rendered less optimal because of including flash and as long as Apple can keep a tight control on the relentless roll our of hardware and software upgrades that it has planned (i.e. not let Adobe take control of App development) then it knows it can win because consumers love its products. Apple is not a monopoly in market segment and yet it wipes the floor with its competitors.

By omnicronx on 4/30/2010 3:50:13 PM , Rating: 3
Please - how does supporting an open standard like HTML5 lead to Apple controlling the web and how does not supporting as (piss poor) proprietary system like Flash help Apple control the web? What you are saying makes no sense.
I'm not sure how you derived that from my quote..

I meant Apple wants to control the way in which the web works on their devices. Flash is proprietary, Apple has absolutely no input in the way say... web video would work on their devices should they support flash. This way they can control the implementation and have input into the standard (and you have to know the big players like Google/MS/Apple have a lot of pull on that front). That being said, this is not necessarily a bad thing, in fact I do support it in theory.

My problem is certain key issues with HTML5 have not been hammered out yet specifically audio/video part of the spec. They can't decide on a standard and there are codec licensing issues involved. As it stands the flash container is the web standard for multimedia, licensing is left up to adobe in most circumstances, and to the user/developer it really does not differ platform to platform, browser to browser.

Until this happens HTML5 is not a suitable flash replacement, it could easily create more problems than it would solve(specifically fragmentation). And this goes back to my point, Jobs wants control and is making perfectly true statements to push his agenda. This is not about the 'inefficiencies of Flash', this is about Flash being what is essentially a proprietary standard. (which is where my 'Jobs would still be complaining if Flash were good' statement came from)

Finalize HTML5 and choose suitable standards before you start pushing it, don't be hasty just to gain control.. Thats all I'm saying.

By beerhound on 5/2/2010 4:53:01 PM , Rating: 2
You are right that it is about control, just not about controlling the web. Flash allows developers to deploy apps that could do an end-run around the App Store. If iPod, iPhone, iPad, iEtc supported flash, then users could get free or paid-for software without Apple getting a cut of the action.

Want to choose what software goes on your device and what features should be present? There's NOT an app for that......

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