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Adobe CTO Kevin Lynch
So long, farewell! Adobe cuts its losses and moves on to other mobile platforms

Well, it looks like it's the end of the road for any hopes of Adobe Flash on Apple's iPhone OS-based devices (iPhone, iPod touch, iPad). Although Steve Jobs has long since put his foot down regarding the matter, Adobe still held out hope that Jobs would change his mind.

However, those hopes were dashed earlier this month when Apple's iPhone OS 4.0 SDK banned the use of unapproved programming languages (including Adobe Flash). The move by Apple prompted some rather colorful language from Adobe Platform Evangelist Lee Brimelow.

Steve Jobs poured more salt on the wounds yesterday with an open letter that basically said that Adobe Flash's time has come and gone. "Flash is a successful business for Adobe, and we can understand why they want to push it beyond PCs," said Jobs "But the mobile era is about low power devices, touch interfaces and open web standards – all areas where Flash falls short."

It appears that Adobe has gotten the hint, and is now officially dropping its plans to push Flash Player onto the iPhone OS platform. Adobe CTO Kevin Lynch posted a response to Steve Jobs' rant -- Adobe's President and CEO made comments as well -- and still feels that Adobe could provide a "terrific experience" on the iPhone and iPad. However, the writing is on the wall and Lynch says that Adobe is shifting its energies to other mobile platforms.

“We have already decided to shift our focus away from Apple devices for both Flash Player and AIR," said Lynch. "We are working to bring Flash Player and AIR to all the other major participants in the mobile ecosystem, including Google, RIM, Palm (soon to be HP), Microsoft, Nokia and others.”

Lynch also said that there will be a public preview of Flash Player 10.1 for Android devices in May and that a full release will come the following month.



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No lesser
By ArenaNinja on 4/30/2010 3:37:34 AM , Rating: 0
Unfortunately there was no lesser of two evils in this discussion. Both Apple and Adobe can DIAF from my perspective.

I keep hearing from many Devs on this site and others about how easy and user-friendly it is to work with flash. Well here's a newsFLASH: my browser has currently recorded 250 instances of crashing because of Flash. I now run my browser with NO add-ons and so far no crashes. At all.

Apple DOES have a point, however, as their market is the lowest common denominator of the tech market, and they aim to keep their "it just works" philosophy. You can't have that if Flash is crashing your browser. Regardless, the stench of Apple's hypocrisy is overwhelming. Just for kicks: the "cross-platform" is a transparent excuse, and it's funny that Apple should worry about the shortcomings of Adobe security, since Macs can't get viruses.




RE: No lesser
By Lonyo on 4/30/10, Rating: -1
RE: No lesser
By Lonyo on 4/30/2010 4:14:32 AM , Rating: 2
(no edit button)
Yes, I did talk about desktop implications, but that's because this is about more than mobile IMO.


RE: No lesser
By dusteater on 4/30/2010 11:11:58 AM , Rating: 2
Adobe can't even make make Flash work with IE x64. Pathetic if you ask me. What exactly are all the Flash devs at Adobe doing? Certainly not making Flash work on new platforms.


RE: No lesser
By Omega215D on 4/30/2010 6:56:31 AM , Rating: 1
you might want to look up h.264...


RE: No lesser
By Lonyo on 4/30/2010 8:45:12 AM , Rating: 2
I look it up, and I see "patent licensing requirements", is that what I was supposed to be looking at?


RE: No lesser
By omnicronx on 4/30/2010 11:19:38 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I look it up, and I see "patent licensing requirements"
I think you just answered you own question. Open and licensing don't really go together now do they =P.

h264 is license free for web use until 2015, but you are crazy to think it will remain that why if it were to become a true independent web standard i.e not licensed by adobe and distributed to users for free.(in most cases)


RE: No lesser
By The Raven on 4/30/2010 12:14:30 PM , Rating: 2
He conceeded that it's openess is debated when you talk codecs:
quote:
well, inasmuch as things like h264 HTML 5 are open


My arguement with him is that he is saying that Apple is all for open standards, yet is not OPEN to Flash. I'm no big Flash fan, in fact I tire of it, but I would like the freedom to use it if the OS is capable of it whether I run my own risk of crippling my own system or not.

If Jobs said we don't recommend it instead of blocking it altogether then I wouldn't have a problem with this. But he is not even allowing it, and that is the furthest thing from being open.


RE: No lesser
By MrBlastman on 4/30/2010 8:17:10 AM , Rating: 3
It really is a shame that Adobe and Apple aren't like antimatter.

Bill: It would be most excellent if they would cancel each other out.
Ted: Righteous man.

There might be a bit of a mess if they did, but, the amount of energy released into the cosmos would allow us all to focus on bigger, better and more fruitful things than being held back by either one of these slags.


RE: No lesser
By Reclaimer77 on 4/30/2010 8:43:34 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Well here's a newsFLASH: my browser has currently recorded 250 instances of crashing because of Flash. I now run my browser with NO add-ons and so far no crashes. At all.


You have a serious problem then, my friend. And it's not Flash. Sorry but that extreme number of crashes can NOT be attributed to Flash alone.


RE: No lesser
By jonmcc33 on 4/30/2010 8:53:30 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Well here's a newsFLASH: my browser has currently recorded 250 instances of crashing because of Flash.


Sounds like user error. My browser (Firefox) never crashes due to Flash. It used to crash due to Quicktime (developed by Apple) though. I stopped using that add-in.


RE: No lesser
By Spuke on 4/30/2010 10:09:37 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Sounds like user error. My browser (Firefox) never crashes due to Flash. It used to crash due to Quicktime (developed by Apple) though. I stopped using that add-in.
Emphasis on the word USER . I've NEVER had my browser crash on Flash. If yours is crashing that much and you can't fix it (LOL!), then you need to turn in your nerd pass.


RE: No lesser
By Luticus on 4/30/2010 10:41:55 AM , Rating: 2
Actually in Linux (debian) both Firefox and Konquerer (webkit like Safari) crash using flash on youtube for me which is why i switched to opera in Linux and after that I've had no problems.

In Windows I have no trouble at all with any browser (IE, FF, Opera), though I've never tried it on Safari (I refuse to touch it) and I've never tried it in a Mac environment as I don't use Mac's to surf the web.

Perhaps the browser in a Linux/Unix based environment may have something to do with it?


RE: No lesser
By B3an on 4/30/2010 2:15:23 PM , Rating: 2
Same, no problems with Flash and i'm always working with it.

But the guys obviously not very smart. For instance "since Macs can't get viruses."

I hope that was a joke.


RE: No lesser
By ArenaNinja on 4/30/2010 6:09:57 PM , Rating: 2
B3an, it was a joke. It's the irony of it... maybe I went on a curve too far for you guys?

And I don't see what I could be doing wrong, since (literally) one click to open a new tab from my Yahoo! homepage, and bam! IE crashes. This has been happening on a fresh Win 7 x64 install. Actually, I installed on another HDD just to test out, and got the same results.

So yeah, tell me how it's my fault.


RE: No lesser
By Reclaimer77 on 4/30/2010 6:48:38 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And I don't see what I could be doing wrong, since (literally) one click to open a new tab from my Yahoo! homepage, and bam! IE crashes.


lmao and you REALLY think this is the norm for most people? Dude, read my lips, YOU HAVE THE PROBLEM. It's YOU.


RE: No lesser
By Alexstarfire on 4/30/2010 7:17:36 PM , Rating: 2
IE sucks?


RE: No lesser
By MrBlastman on 4/30/2010 10:57:12 AM , Rating: 2
Check out Quicktime Alternative if you hate Quicktime. :)

It runs .mov's without all the Apple bloat.

http://codecguide.com/download_qt.htm

There's also QT Lite which also works great. Living Apple free can be done and it is soooo worth it.


RE: No lesser
By Drag0nFire on 4/30/2010 4:06:21 PM , Rating: 3
I have an easier way to live Apple free. I don't watch mov files. =D


RE: No lesser
By sprockkets on 4/30/2010 11:55:43 PM , Rating: 2
No one uses .mov containers anymore, in a way. All containers for mpeg4-avc aka h.264 video and aac audio are the .mov container but now an ISO standard, and named mp4 or m4v.

Besides, I use smplayer for all my video needs. The only people still using Quicktime for embedded videos is Apple and ancient websites.


RE: No lesser
By bissimo on 4/30/2010 10:15:09 AM , Rating: 2
I have NEVER repeat: NEVER had a browser (Firefox, Safari, IE, Chrome on XP, Vista, Win 7 or OS/x) crash because of Flash. You're doing something seriously wrong IMO.


RE: No lesser
By jimhsu on 4/30/2010 12:42:21 PM , Rating: 2
I have had exactly one instance of Flash specifically crashing, and that is on a beta version of Firefox (Minefield 3.7a5pre) Nothing else. Firefox, on the other hand...


RE: No lesser
By overzealot on 4/30/2010 12:10:07 PM , Rating: 2
*cough*
http://news.techworld.com/security/5392/worlds-fir...
I'm so glad that "Macs can't get viruses."

As an encore, why not prove black is white?


RE: No lesser
By UrbanBard on 4/30/2010 1:51:12 PM , Rating: 2
These things are relative.

The Mac has had two malware problems in the last five years while Microsoft Windows has had half a million. Apple has fixed both of its malware problems and Microsoft as fixed about 200 thousand of its. Naturally, this make Microsoft the winner. LOL.

Could you tell me who at Apple has said that the Mac can't get a virus? They need to be fired. Oh! It was the "I'm a Mac" ads which said it? No, you need to look at those ads again. At the time of the ads there were no Mac malware problems and still aren't. Meanwhile, Windows keeps being plagued with new malware.

How dumb do you have to be to stay with an OS which is so buggy? If you don't like Macintosh, then go to Ubuntu. Stop being so perversely proud of Windows insecurity.


RE: No lesser
By Alexstarfire on 4/30/2010 3:42:04 PM , Rating: 2
Just because it wasn't actually said in the commercials doesn't mean it was explicitly implied. And if you say that it doesn't matter what is implied then you would be wrong.


RE: No lesser
By Targon on 5/1/2010 8:33:27 AM , Rating: 2
Just because public reports are quiet about something does not mean that there have been no malware problems, just nothing that made headlines. When a Mac has a problem, the vast majority of Mac people scream, freak out, then call their local Mac tech to fix it, without having any idea what actually happened. The number of Mac people who are sophisticated enough users to not only track down the cause of a problem, but also fix it, and then escalate what they found to Apple or some other "authority" is probably down in the 1% range.

How many people run into problems with Windows and get an honest tech who actually tells the customer what happened? It's probably larger than the entire Mac customer base, so you hear people talk about it.

The ABILITY to get a virus is there with MacOS, the key is that most malware writers don't see the Mac platform as worth targeting due to the fairly low numbers of users, even if they would be fairly easy to scam due to the whole concept that 'Macs don't get viruses'.

The basic idea that the larger the customer base, the more bugs will be found has been around for a long time. Also, the more changes that are made over time, the greater the chance that new bugs will be introduced. Combine these together, and you will get the general reason for some basic statistics.


RE: No lesser
By UrbanBard on 5/9/2010 1:55:14 PM , Rating: 2
"Just because public reports are quiet about something does not mean that there have been no malware problems, just nothing that made headlines. "

This is delusive. All the Mac needs to garner world wide headlines is for a security researcher to find a theoretical vulnerability, mostly in its FreeBSD foundations, which will crash an application, not get root access. Meanwhile, Windows malware is so numerous, it barely gets a mention.

Nor do Mac users scream, because we so rarely get attacked. Two Trojan horses in five years is almost never. We Mac users are our Mac techs. The Mac user groups and website are quite good at warning us of potential problems. May I suggest MacSurfer?

I have run Mac OSX since 10.1.5 and have never had any malware. And I don't run anti-virus software. Occasionally, I will run ClamXAV to check if I have a Windows virus that I might accidentally send to a friend. It never happens though. You seem so out of it that I have to wonder if you have any friends who are Mac users. Do you choose your friends according to their computer preferences?

"The ABILITY to get a virus is there with MacOS, the key is that most malware writers don't see the Mac platform as worth targeting due to the fairly low numbers of users, even if they would be fairly easy to scam due to the whole concept that 'Macs don't get viruses'."

It depends on your definition of a virus. Some people ignorantly call any malware a virus, when it is not. A Virus is a self replicating program which can infect RAM, Disks, CD's, DVD's or USB drives and use them to spread itself. A Worm is malware which replicates by using networks or the Internet.

Unix based operating system, like Mac OSX, have a permission system which tends to prevent any such transmission. If the Macs have "security by obscurity" due to a low market share then that seems like a good reason to own a Mac. That is, if you care about security. Mainframe computers have an even lower market share and they are considered rather secure.

All computer users are vulnerable to social engineering attacks, like Trojan Horses, Spam and Phishing, which fool users into divulging their pass words. Macintosh users are not especially vulnerable to this. Snow Leopard has recently increased its anti-malware protection to cover Trojan Horses and Phishing.

"The basic idea that the larger the customer base, the more bugs will be found has been around for a long time."

No so. Windows was designed to allow any action by default. Only recently has Microsoft been closing down avenues for attack. The UNIX based systems, like Mac OSX or mainframe OS's, close down everything except for what the user specifically asks for. This is much safer than Windows.

You really shouldn't give Microsoft Windows any alibis. Recently, a security researcher found in Windows Seven a flaw, in a no longer used DOS program, which is twenty years old. This flaw gave the finder complete access at the root level. This is not just bad security, a mistake or an error. You have to wonder if Microsoft Windows has any security at all.


RE: No lesser
By chick0n on 5/3/2010 10:16:10 AM , Rating: 2
that simply means you and your computer have a problem(s). Not Flash/Adobe

I've been using Flash on my Win7 Comp for YEARS without a single crash.

So dont blame when you suck and can't keep ur computer running stable.


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