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HP Slate
First Courier, now HP's Slate as well?

Is everyone just giving in to Apple now? Yesterday, we reported that Microsoft is abandoning its internal Courier dual-screen tablet concept. The Courier was to use dual 7" screens and rely on both pen and touch input.

Now HP is killing off its Windows 7-based Slate before it even hits the market according to TechCrunch. If you recall, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer made a big deal about HP's Slate at this year's CES in Las Vegas. Ballmer actually brought a prototype device out on stage with him during his keynote address to the tech community.

TechCrunch's sources reveal that HP is simply unimpressed with Windows 7 as a platform for a touch-based tablet device. HP is also said to be nixing the idea of using Intel's Atom processors for any future Slate devices due to demanding power requirements.

The latter point is quite poignant as it is one of the negatives that HP pointed out in company slides comparing the Slate to Apple's successful iPad. Apple's iPad is good for 10 to 12 hours of real world use thanks to its lightweight iPhone OS and power sipping A4 processor. HP, on the other hand, lists the Slate's battery life at 5+ hours when running on a 1.6GHz Intel Atom processor (Z530). The relatively poor battery life of the Slate comes despite the fact that it packs a 30 Wh battery while the iPad features only a 25 Wh battery.

With Windows 7 and Intel now apparently out of the picture, that leaves Android/webOS and ARM processors for future Slate devices. HP said on Wednesday that it would be "doubling down on webOS" and that it would "scale it across multiple connected devices".

Considering that many have been somewhat unimpressed with Palm's recent hardware -- namely the Pre and Pixi -- but adore webOS, it would be quite interesting to see what HP can do with a tablet based on its newly acquired operating system and speedy ARM hardware.

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By damianrobertjones on 4/30/2010 3:19:09 AM , Rating: 2
... Bunch of silly bleeps.

Hp, you had such an amazing device with the HP tc1100 that it hurt. All you had to do is the following:

- At least a 1.6Ghz atom or at least a Z515
- AT least 2Gb ram, max 4Gb
- Crucial SSD drive or a standard 2.5. NO 1.8" Craptatstic HDs
- Usual Intel GPU that does HD
- Same screen size as the tc1100
- Multi touch like the Latitude XT
- Windows 7 Home Premium x32

Then, set the DAMN DPI to 125% (Could reviewers PLEASE mention this important tweak as this alone makes Windows 7 considerably better for touch!)

No crapware/bloatware, really good drivers that work out of the box (Are you listening Archos?) and maybe, just maybe, one of you OEMs actually tweak the OS to the customers advantage (Services etc)

I'd buy it. Instead I'm looking towards the HP 2740p (Would have considered the Toshiba M780 but no multi-touch????)


RE: Right...
By ET on 4/30/2010 3:35:31 AM , Rating: 3
Would you buy it if it cost $1000, weight 1.5kg and the battery lasted for 5 hours? Perhaps, but I'm sure others won't.

RE: Right...
By Smilin on 4/30/2010 9:31:50 AM , Rating: 1

RE: Right...
By piroroadkill on 4/30/10, Rating: -1
RE: Right...
By Dark Legion on 4/30/2010 4:37:45 AM , Rating: 2
x32? No. x64.

No. x86. For one, this atom doesn't support 64-bit IIRC, and even then what's the point?
And your solution to low battery life is to pack in more powerful hardware? A CULV Intel would use at least twice as much power alone. Keep in mind this is supposed to compete with other similar devices, and if you need more power that's what a laptop is for.

RE: Right...
By ImSpartacus on 4/30/2010 5:31:31 AM , Rating: 2
We've already seen that the way to go in a tablet is cell-phone tech. It's a bit depressing, but it's true.

x86 processors just don't provide the battery life that cell phones do.

And sometimes it's actually more processor intensive for an x86 CPU to play/output HD video. Terrible, but true.

RE: Right...
By oab on 5/3/2010 12:36:37 PM , Rating: 2
x86 processors just don't provide the battery life that cell phones do.

So, you're comparing a cell-phone to a desktop processor. Not an ARM-8 vs. Core 2 Duo, but a phone to a Phenom II.

That's a terrible comparison. It's like saying that a lawn mower uses less fuel than a F-18. While it is true, it doesn't mean anything.

Cell-phone processors are designed for low power consumption, desktop processors are designed for performance.

Phones (such as the iPhone 3gs and I assume many others) have built in h.264 video decoding chips, desktop processors don't have that instruction set built in.

RE: Right...
By AnnihilatorX on 4/30/2010 3:50:12 AM , Rating: 2
I have to agree TC1100 was amazing. Nice looking, helpful detachable keyboard, lightweight. The only thing wrong about it was the performance.

I have absolutely no idea why they would nix it. I went from TC1100 to Fujitsu ST5210. Same great device, much more powerful. I do miss the detachable keyboard.

RE: Right...
By MrBlastman on 4/30/2010 7:53:40 AM , Rating: 2
I was not planning on buying a slate computer either way for a few more years at least. The HP was actually one of the _only_ ones that currently looked appealing. Now that they are moving away from x86, Windows 7 and--full computing ability, I just have to throw this one in the trash with all the others.

I see no point, no point at all in spending serious money (500.00+) on a slate/tablet device that is not fully computing capable--i.e. an open platform like a true PC.

RE: Right...
By robinthakur on 4/30/2010 11:11:04 AM , Rating: 2
I used to think that as well, but in reality, what I would do on any such device (including my laptop) is use it to browse the web, check email, music, read stuff and use the odd app like office. I wouldn't be doing my photo editing or video encoding on it lol. I agree that *on paper* what you specified seems ideal, but the execution leaves a lot to be desired, in any form i've seen it done (e.g. Dell XT2), hence HP killed the Slate to concentrate on a WEBOS version which will probably have the same limitations as the iPad, have fewer apps and worse design. Is this good news? Only for Apple...

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By greylica on 4/30/10, Rating: -1
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