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The iPad is a hot seller, but it is also just plain hot, overheating when exposed to sunlight. Wi-Fi is also not working in many units. Apple is suggesting, among other things, that users move closer to their routers.  (Source: AP)

The iPad pleasantly informs a user that it needs to cool down after getting too much sun. Some owners have taken to putting their units in the fridge.  (Source: The Atlantic)
"It just works" ...for a little while at least

As they say, "the Apple seldom falls far from the tree."  The hot iPad tablet computer-cum-eBook reader, which many are calling a "jumbo iPhone" is a hot seller, much like its diminutive phone sidekick. However, it also reportedly is experiencing similar problems to that device -- overheating in the sun.

Among the first to report that the iPad was overheating when exposed to spring sunlight was 
PC Magazine editor Zach Honig who Twittered that he had received an error message "iPad needs to cool down before you can use it", while playing with the device in New York City.  He had to put the insubordinate unit in the fridge to cool it back down enough to resume operation.  Other publications, such as The Atlantic, cite numerous customers complaining of similar issues.

The iPad reportedly has an operating temperature of 32 degrees to 95 degrees F (0 to 35 degrees Celsius).  When the device heats up to over 113 degrees F it reportedly shuts off to protect itself.  Unfortunately, the tightly packaged electronics can't dissipate heat that well and the sun is enough to tip the scales and trigger a temporary iPad death.

Apple has not yet responded on the issue of overheating.

It has, however, responded to a second growing complaint -- that iPad purchasers can't connect to Wi-Fi networks, the device's sole source of internet connection in current 3G-less form.  Responding to a flood of complaints in its support forums, Apple posted a blog on Tuesday with advice and possible solutions.

Describes the post, "Under certain conditions, iPad may not automatically rejoin a known Wi-Fi network after restart or waking from sleep."

The post in effect passes along the blame to router manufacturers.  Apple says that the problem sometimes occurs when third-party Wi-Fi routers that are dual-band capable have the same name for each network or someone had different security settings for the different networks.

Apple says that creating separate names for separate bands and using the same security settings can fix some of the connection issues.  It also suggest updating your wireless router's software.  Once you've tried these steps, you should reset your network using Settings > General > Reset > Reset Network Settings.

In the post Apple calls the problems -- weak Wi-Fi or no signal -- "occasional" and suggest among the previous suggestions, moving closer to your router.

The 3G iPad goes on sale later this month, with AT&T providing the wireless service, initially.



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Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By dark matter on 4/7/2010 1:56:22 PM , Rating: 5
Never ceased to amaze me how the zealots champion Apple's quality as a reason for its relatively high cost. No matter how often you point out to them that all Apple do is put OEM components in a bespoke/designer case they wouldn't listen to reason. And here we have yet another product that puts aesthetics over engineering.

Apple is slowly giving itself a really bad reputation with regards to multiple "issues" across its entire range. And for a company that bases it's whole business model on brand value this is a very unwise path for it to take. Own Apples shares? Sell half. As far as the markets are concerned Apple may just have become a victim of its own success. If either the iPad fails to sell or the new iPhone fails to sell then its shares are going to drop. If neither lives up to expectations then its shares could take a battering. The guys in the suits at the stock exchange have no loyalty but I bet they are keeping an eye out just how much of its (Apples) customers loyalty it is prepared to test.




RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By Pirks on 4/7/10, Rating: -1
RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By JasonMick (blog) on 4/7/2010 2:14:08 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
So Apple A4 processor in iPad is an "OEM component" you say? Did I get that correct?


Ummm actually it is. It is manufactured by Samsung and rebranded under the Apple name. That is the definition of an OEM component.


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By Pirks on 4/7/10, Rating: -1
RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By Odysseus145 on 4/7/2010 2:31:36 PM , Rating: 5
The most you could say is they customized a popular architecture to better fit their needs. To say they designed it is wrong at best.


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By Pirks on 4/7/10, Rating: 0
RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By invidious on 4/7/2010 3:05:12 PM , Rating: 2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_equipment_ma...

An original equipment manufacturer, or OEM, manufactures products or components that are purchased by a company and retailed under that purchasing company's brand name. OEM refers to the company that originally manufactured the product.

Its fun to post unofficial links.


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By Pirks on 4/7/10, Rating: -1
RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By XZerg on 4/7/2010 3:12:43 PM , Rating: 4
funny how you don't realize that AMD owns portion of the manufacturing capacity at their foundries still...

The total move away from manufacturing for AMD is eventual as per their agenda just not yet.


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By phantom505 on 4/7/2010 4:43:57 PM , Rating: 2
What's even funnier it it still won't be "TSMC's Chip" since it will be an AMD design that they contract it's manufacture out. There's plenty of fabless chip companies these days.


By tastyratz on 4/7/2010 9:20:58 PM , Rating: 4
and whats funnier than that?
the fact that the ipad's operating temperature range shuts down at 113 - at what point does a limitation that low seem reasonable to expect? 113 is what I might expect more along the lines of a normal operating temp ... nevermind thermal shutdown. Putting it in the sun is just mild for right now. That low I would be afraid to use it near a window, in an office with a space heater, or hell even under a strong light.

Pirks this might be where you mention its incredible unhindered success in alaska


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By chick0n on 4/8/2010 12:27:31 AM , Rating: 2
come on man, Its PIRKS.

the well known moron on DT.

u see he stop posting crap after u pwned him right in his face. LOL


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By Pirks on 4/8/10, Rating: 0
RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By chick0n on 4/8/2010 12:53:22 PM , Rating: 1
Unlike you moron, I have a life.

You got nothing. feel sorry for ya.


By borismkv on 4/8/2010 3:03:10 AM , Rating: 2
AMD has always been an OEM company. So is Intel. They are Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEM).

But here's the thing, the A4 processor is actually an ARM processor very similar to those used in just about every smartphone in the world. The only thing Apple has done is take that architecture, bump up the frequency, throw it in a new form factor, and slap an Apple sticker on the thing.


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By evident on 4/13/2010 10:20:05 AM , Rating: 1
I love reading Pirks posts and then reading his replies. he gets owned so bad and the funniest part is he doesn't even realize it


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By kamel5547 on 4/7/2010 3:42:09 PM , Rating: 4
I'm sorry, since when is licensing someone elses product and making a modification design? Design (at least to me) means actually creating something. To quote your link
quote:
The A4 is an ARM processor featuring package-on-package construction to improve the speed and efficiency of internal processes.

So basically they licensed the ARM design, and instead of using multiple chips as is common in cell phones they packaged them into one and made some minor changes (which isn't new).

To provide a quick summary from you link:
quote:
There's not much revolutionary here. In fact, the A4 is quite similar to the Samsung processor Apple uses in the iPhone.


So essentially the design is a tweak on a licensed design. Its kind of like calling ASUS a video card designer because they take the reference design from ATI or Nvidia and up the clock speed.


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By Pirks on 4/7/10, Rating: -1
RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By napalmjack on 4/7/2010 4:34:23 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
That's just a speculation because noone knows how much did Apple actually customize the licensed ARM core design.


No one knows, including you.


By weskurtz0081 on 4/13/2010 10:41:56 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, but it's ok for him to speculate in Apple's favor!


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By vol7ron on 4/7/2010 7:33:02 PM , Rating: 1
Any modification is technically a design. Just like ARM may not be the original designer of the root technology (transistors, gold plating, etc). Any "tweak" albeit a small one is technically a design - how much you wish to credit the designer for their work is subjective, which is why patent law is so lucrative.


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By NesuD on 4/7/2010 6:57:53 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
the hardening of the macro may be outsourced to another firm. These dedicated firms do a better job than the foundy themselves (since the latter may be able to devote only a small amount of resources for the purpose of hardening). Intrinsity is one such dedicated firm which has been employed by both Samsung and Apple (through the Samsung foundry) to harden ARM's version of Cortex-A8. Their version is used in both the Apple A4 and the S5PC110.


Excerpted from Anands smartphone silicon article.

It appears that Apples A4 is in fact a ARM based Cortex-A8 hardened to Samsungs Specifications by Itrinsity and Rebadged by Apple as The Apple A4. It also looks very much like it is so much Samsungs chip that they are using it in their own smartphone design badged with their own name.


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By Kurz on 4/7/2010 2:32:10 PM , Rating: 5
The fact from the looks that there is no breathing holes.
I would say its a design problem.

Electronics need to be cooled.
The skip on that says something big about Apple.


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By Sazar on 4/7/2010 5:53:09 PM , Rating: 5
Apple's designs are so "cool", they don't need no stinking vents.

It is however recommended to utilize a reality distortion field outdoors while using this product as natural occurrences like heat from the sun may affect your shiny, portal device.

As can be seen from the Apple commercials, the iPad is designed to be used sitting down, at home, indoors.


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By sefsefsefsef on 4/7/10, Rating: -1
RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By Voo on 4/7/2010 10:04:02 PM , Rating: 2
Well or they could've just added some extra cooling (probably just a better way to get rid of the hot air), even if it would make the tablet look less.. whatever?


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By tastyratz on 4/7/2010 10:59:41 PM , Rating: 3
or OR...
they could design a product that works in reasonable operating conditions regularly experienced most likely by every owner at some point. If it cant run hotter than 113 then make it so it can. But if it cant run it cant do anything, can it?

You would think by calling it the Ipad they opened themselves up to enough mockery and criticism... This is just a 1-2 punch.


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By EasyC on 4/8/2010 12:21:08 PM , Rating: 2
This is Apple we're talking about.

I'm surprised they aren't blaming the consumers for this like they did with the iPhone (same problem too).


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By chick0n on 4/8/2010 1:03:17 AM , Rating: 1
so are you trying to say people can only use iPad only under certain controlled environment ? like in a room with A/C on at all time?

and I cannot use it under direct sunlight or when its 95 degrees out ?

Bashing Apple for the sake's of bashing Apple? I dont think so. People bash Apple simply because they(and their users) always act like they're superior and above everything(one) else. When the fact is that Apple's products are simply garbage warp in a shinny shell.

and every time when something happens. First Apple will just deny the reports. blame user's error. then Apple will try to bribe or threat those owners to return their shitty product. Oh yea, sometimes Apple would just "quietly" recall the product. ROFL

So yea. Apple can kiss my ass.


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By Pirks on 4/7/10, Rating: -1
By rocky12345 on 4/7/2010 4:02:45 PM , Rating: 5
Perks since you like links so much here is one for you. They pretty much say what everyone has been saying since apple started speaking about the ipad.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ipad-iphone-a4-ar...

As stated there the cpu & graphics chip is pretty much a iphone 3gs CPU & graqphics just slightly faster running. So umm yea it is a ARM CPU & power VR video chip all packaged together by Apple. Do you really think that Apple could develop a CPU & graphics chip in such a short time by itself. Do you not realize how hard it is to make a CPU & even harder a graphics chip so umm no Apple didnt make these they used OEM parts & slapped them together in a neat little package & stamped A4 on it but hey the stamp is totally theirs woot.

I also find it pretty funny that Apple has the nerve to blame the router manufactures for the ipads lack of being able to connect to a router. If that is the case then why can millions of other systems connect without to many issues like the ipad is having. I think it is time for apple to admit they need to come out with a firmware upgrade &fix this issue instead of passing the buck on to others. The network issue is Apples fault no one elses. The overheating issue is also Apple fault they didnt put enough cooling in the ipad so it overheats easy. So anything you say other wise perks is pretty much pointless & just goes to show how you will even argue in Apples behalf even when you know they are in the wrong.


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By MrTeal on 4/8/2010 1:50:41 PM , Rating: 2
Apple didn't design the CPU. They didn't design the memory. They just packaged it together. And by they, I mean most likely Samsung or Arm. Apple doesn't do VLSI design, it's inefficient for them to when that is way outside the scope of their business.

How much input Apple had into the A4 design, no one on here knows. If I had to guess, I would say Apple worked with an OEM to get the chip built with the features they wanted, in the footprint and package they wanted, and left the details to the OEM.


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By bruce24 on 4/8/2010 12:43:32 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Ummm actually it is. It is manufactured by Samsung and rebranded under the Apple name. That is the definition of an OEM component.


You are not correct here. Apple, with a license from ARM, created their own chip design and used Samsung's foundry services to manufacture it. Just like the industry considers SPARC processors to be made by SUN and Tegra processors to be made by Nvidia, the A4 is made by Apple.


By omnicronx on 4/9/2010 3:50:42 PM , Rating: 2
Just because they have a license does not mean they created their own chip design.. It has recently been rumored that this chip was co designed by Intrinsity and Samsung, it does not appear that Apples aquisition of PA Semi had anything to do with the A4, and while the rumour is that Apple apperently bought out Intrinsity, it would have occured long after the design of the A4.(i.e perhaps Apple liked what they saw and bought out the company to whom they originally outsourced the design process to)

They are not merely using Samsungs foundry services, Samsung, Intrinsity (possibly Apple) were involved in the design process. Even if Apple had a hand in the design process, they are surely not the primary designers of this chip, as such this is not the same situation as any of the examples you described.


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By omnicronx on 4/9/2010 3:33:10 PM , Rating: 2
I would like to point out that unlike previous iPhone chips, the A4 chip itself does not have any samsung markings(only the DRAM which is currently provided by Samsung), i.e you can make the case that Apple now has a hand in the design process.. and as a result may be far more than just a reference ARM chip.. and most likely will not be sold to anyone else (just playing devils advocate here ;) )

That being said, all in all it seems like its just an overclocked Cortex A8.. and it definitely an OEM part, regardless of which definition you follow.


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By mindless1 on 4/11/2010 5:37:34 PM , Rating: 2
That's like suggesting that if I rip the Toyota nameplate badge off a car, I had "a hand in the design process". Did I? Only to a pedantic irrelevant level.


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By yomamafor1 on 4/7/2010 2:18:23 PM , Rating: 5
Although it sounds like its proprietary, Apple's A4 actually consists of Cortex's A8, and PowerGR's SGX GPU. What Apple did was just put them together, slap an Apple logo on it, and fool people into thinking that they actually developed the chip.

Other than that, the entire iPad is made entirely out of OEM components, most of the parts shared with other products that are already available for a long time.


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By Pirks on 4/7/10, Rating: -1
RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By ClownPuncher on 4/7/2010 3:12:39 PM , Rating: 3
Design is not manufacture, OEM stands for original equipment manufacturer. Every other site on the web is saying it is a Samsung ARM chip.

I think you're grasping at straws, and at this rate you will die of dehydration unless you give up on the straws and pop the lid open for a drink.


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By Pirks on 4/7/10, Rating: -1
RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By SkullOne on 4/7/2010 3:38:20 PM , Rating: 4
Funny that you keep going back to that article then leave out this information:

quote:
# There's not much revolutionary here. In fact, the A4 is quite similar to the Samsung processor Apple uses in the iPhone. # It's clear from both hardware and software that this is a single core processor, so it must be the ARM Cortex A8, and NOT the rumored multicore A9. # It's quite challenging to identify block-level logic inside a processor, so to identify the GPU we're falling back to software: early benchmarks are showing similar 3D performance to the iPhone, so we're guessing that the iPad uses the same PowerVR SGX 535 GPU.


Sure sounds like Samsung built to me with very little Apple input other then "make sure it uses very little power." Oh wait they did the same with the Intel chip that is in the Macbook Air or did Apple design that chip too?


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By Pirks on 4/7/10, Rating: -1
RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By Mojo the Monkey on 4/7/2010 4:00:00 PM , Rating: 4
your article snippet that you continue to cite is meaningless. the original author merely makes a guess at apple's level of control when he doesnt see "samsung" printed on a board? Hardly conclusive. Maybe apple just asked them to not print their brand.

and just placing an order to a manufacturing company like Samsung to produce a chip with X processor and Y gpu to be set on Z board does not mean that you have created some new, non-OEM board. Apple has been out of the biz of getting their hands in silicon design for quite some time - they write the request (and the check) and OTHER companies make it happen.


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By Pirks on 4/7/10, Rating: -1
RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By petrosy on 4/7/10, Rating: 0
By atlmann10 on 4/9/2010 1:16:37 AM , Rating: 2
Since Pirks likes quoting iFixit, here's some iFixit " 'Nevertheless, we agree with iFixit that, on a hardware level, "there's not much revolutionary here." Apple has essentially built a triple-layer, package-on-package custom chip using off-the-shelf components. Like the company does for the rest of its computing product, it takes something that's readily available in the technology marketplace and layers it with custom software to provide a markedly different experience" ".


By yomamafor1 on 4/7/2010 3:41:27 PM , Rating: 2
And they also went on to conclude:

-There's not much revolutionary here. In fact, the A4 is quite similar to the Samsung processor (A8) Apple uses in the iPhone.

-It's clear from both hardware and software that this is a single core processor, so it must be the ARM Cortex A8, and NOT the rumored multicore A9.

Like I said, the Apple A4 is a SoC chip created by the integration of PowerVR's SGX chip and Cortex A8, both of which are not designed by Apple.


By Sazabi19 on 4/7/2010 4:02:20 PM , Rating: 3
Apple owns the patent for that:)


By omnicronx on 4/9/2010 3:58:53 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Cortex's A8, and PowerGR's SGX GPU
Well they don't really know that yet.. they have not ruled out an A9 either.. (some sites falsely claimed that the A9 does not have a single core derivative and thus cannot be part of the A4, which in turn proved to be incorrect.). Its also most likely not of reference design.(i.e Apple very well could have had a part in the design process, although to what extent is unknown)

As a result it is very unlikely that the A4 will be shared with others, although any new features could easily make their way into other ARM products from say samsung ;)

They are not really sure about the PowerGR SGX either (although it most likely is), it seems they are making the assumption based on very similar 3d benchmarks.


By Drag0nFire on 4/7/2010 3:28:58 PM , Rating: 5
Well, this is clearly what happens when the device is tested under lock and key with penalty of death for removing the device from the Apple campus. This problem never came up because the device was never exposed to sunlight!!

I, for one, am glad to see Apple's secrecy policies come back to bite them in the ass.


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By AtHome on 4/7/2010 5:11:56 PM , Rating: 2
Apple does make quality products. I am very satisfied with my iPod, iPhone and MBP. My iMac is no better than the pc's I build. I am no Apple fanboy. I have and will continue to use many non Apple products.

Lately though, Apple has been slipping and the company's competition has gotten so much better, we expect a lot more, and Apple just cannot seem to respond.

In my opinion, the current WiFi and overheating problems are inexcusable. If Apple does not get its collective head out of its collective rear end, then the iPad will be the next Newton. I will likely not get a iphone next time I need a new smart phone.


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By Hiawa23 on 4/7/2010 8:21:59 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, you just maxed out your credit card or spent your car note money or mortgage, rent money, & you have to deal with this, LOL.....


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By wushuktl on 4/8/2010 6:43:27 AM , Rating: 2
Well prepared to continue to be amazed. I really doubt that Apple sales will slow at all, even with these announcements of issues. In the eyes of most consumers Apple is just too cool. No one actually cares about the brand quality, even if they do use it in their apple-is-superior arguments. not one person bought an iPhone because they figured it was a sound reliable purchase that would last them through the years. Apple have just been that successful in upping their cool factor that having problems like these now will hardly make a noticeable dent in their sales figures. It is sad.


RE: Puts paid to Apple's Quality.
By Hiawa23 on 4/8/2010 7:57:55 AM , Rating: 2
In the eyes of most consumers Apple is just too cool

do consumers buy stuff just cause they think it's cool, even in this bad economy, 10% unemplyment? I don't own anything by Apple probably wouldn't buy anything from em, as far a phone, I got the cheapest phone Metro PCS offered with $40/month plan, no contract. Not going to say it's sad cause consumers are wlecomed to buy or waste their money on whatever device they deem worthy. Hats off to Apple, as they are the model I am sure many companies envy. Even in tough economic times this company keep rolling.


Passing the buck
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 4/7/2010 1:40:09 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
The post in effect passes along the blame to router manufacturers.  Apple says that the problem sometimes occurs when third-party Wi-Fi routers that are dual-band capable have one network has the same name or someone had different security settings for the different networks.


So, your wireless network works perfectly fine until you bring home an Apple iPad whose Wi-Fi antenna only manges to peak out via the relatively small black plastic Apple logo on the back of the device. And then to add insult to injury, Apple tries to blame your router manufacturer instead of fessin' up to the problems that it created.

You think they would have learned from the iPhone 3G and 3GS which use a plastic backing to help with the wireless radio reception. Heck, even the iPad 3G has a larger plastic "wireless area" at the top of the device for better reception:

http://i41.tinypic.com/egsitg.jpg




RE: Passing the buck
By ImSpartacus on 4/7/2010 2:00:10 PM , Rating: 3
But Brandon, you forgot! Every Apple product must look super sexah! Plastic just isn't hot enough for this piece of fruit.


RE: Passing the buck
By raumkrieger on 4/7/2010 2:46:39 PM , Rating: 2
Apple has always valued form over function. I'm still waiting for people to wake up and see that a polished turd is still a turd (to paraphrase a quote from a certain comedian).


RE: Passing the buck
By Mitch101 on 4/7/2010 2:00:39 PM , Rating: 5
They probably limited Wi-Fi signal strength to help battery life.

How many times can you repeat nearly the same product and still be called innovative?

iPod Touch
iPhone (iPod Touch with Phone)
iPad (Big iPod Touch)
iPad3G (Big iPhone Touch?)


RE: Passing the buck
By Hieyeck on 4/7/2010 2:30:08 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
iPad3G (Big iPhone Touch?)
I'd like to kick the first iDiot in the teeth who tries to make a call holding that up to their cheek.

And you just KNOW some are going to actually try.


RE: Passing the buck
By FITCamaro on 4/7/2010 3:09:58 PM , Rating: 6
HELLO!....WHAT!?!?......I'M IN A MOVIE!...NO I CAN TALK!!!....


RE: Passing the buck
By ClownPuncher on 4/7/2010 3:37:27 PM , Rating: 2
Perfect excuse for someone in the audience to smash that damn thing!


RE: Passing the buck
By Aloonatic on 4/8/2010 5:24:56 AM , Rating: 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKRnJ89Untc

I thought you DTers might enjoy this.


RE: Passing the buck
By Legolias24 on 4/7/2010 3:49:02 PM , Rating: 2
ROFLMAO, I'd rate you up again if I could Fit. :P

I hate seeing people texting during a movie with a cell phone/smart phone because the back lit screens really stand out in a pitch black movie theatre. I can only imagine how much more enraged/irritated I would be if some numb nuts used their iPad to text someone during a movie.


RE: Passing the buck
By inighthawki on 4/7/2010 4:07:17 PM , Rating: 2
lol, I highly doubt anyone would be dumb enough to try that, it'd be like pulling out a laptop during the movie, far more noticeable than those small phones...


RE: Passing the buck
By Legolias24 on 4/7/2010 4:16:33 PM , Rating: 5
LoL, you might be right but I've stopped giving society the benefit of the doubt when it comes to questioning just how dumb people are. I feel like what would be considered common sense is starting to become more like uncommon sense. :S

In fact, I am beginning to think that Mike Judge hit the nail on the head with his movie Idiocracy and predicting what the future will be like. :P


RE: Passing the buck
By vol7ron on 4/7/2010 7:29:00 PM , Rating: 2
I thought his comment was in reference to that old comedy show: Trigger Happy TV - you know, the one where they did public pranks and sometimes dressed up in full body animal costumes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27aVPqpnL7Y


RE: Passing the buck
By LRonaldHubbs on 4/7/2010 2:05:18 PM , Rating: 3
Clearly form is far more important than function.


RE: Passing the buck
By Gungel on 4/7/2010 2:38:50 PM , Rating: 2
That's why people should stay away from version one hardware. Always wait for the second iteration.


RE: Passing the buck
By Helbore on 4/7/2010 3:31:58 PM , Rating: 3
Or buy something that works from a different manufacturer.


iFreeze
By rvd2008 on 4/7/2010 6:01:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
He had to put the insubordinate unit in the fridge to cool it back down enough to resume operation.

That is very creative thinking. Apple, are you listening?




RE: iFreeze
By Dorkyman on 4/7/2010 6:21:04 PM , Rating: 5
Maybe Apple could develop a tiny little iFridge. It could be powered by a USB cable plugged into another fine Apple product.

Shame it couldn't be plugged into the iPad itself, but then there's no USB port on an iPad.


RE: iFreeze
RE: iFreeze
By rocky12345 on 4/7/2010 9:06:14 PM , Rating: 2
OMG good idea the iFreeze I luv it now if I got the iPad I could use it everywhere including my very hot apt WOOTT!!!
lol


RE: iFreeze
By rocky12345 on 4/7/2010 9:03:49 PM , Rating: 2
just think of it wouldn't it be great to get your new iPad & then have to lug around the ifridge to keeps things cool lol. But I am sure all the Apple lovers would defend it to the end as a good thing because Mr Jobs says so.

Where is the line to get one of these things I think I have a spare wheeler around here somewhere lmao.


Once again, all you haters get it wrong...
By Motoman on 4/7/2010 4:14:11 PM , Rating: 5
...the iPad shuts itself down in the sun because that's what it's supposed to do - that's what Apple designed it to do, and if you think it should do something other than that, then you're wrong.

...also, the iPad won't connect/reconnect to some wireless networks because that's what it's supposed to do. That's what Apple designed it to do, and if you think it should just always connect to the wireless network any time you want it, you're wrong.

Just like the way that you're wrong about wanting to have Flash on there. Or the ability to run more than one application at a time. Or the ability to run whatever you want on it, instead of living with whatever Apple deigns to put in the App Store. Or...etc.

See, people who complain about these kinds of things just don't *get it* - Apple will tell you what you do and don't want to do. You don't have to do all this "thinking" for yourself! So stop whining about all this stuff that you think is "wrong" and let Apple do all the cognitive processing for you. You'll be happier once you acquiesce. All your brain are belong to us now.




RE: Once again, all you haters get it wrong...
By sefsefsefsef on 4/7/10, Rating: -1
RE: Once again, all you haters get it wrong...
By Motoman on 4/7/2010 6:48:23 PM , Rating: 4
Holy crap you're an idiot...

quote:
The iPad shuts down in direct sunlight because it's supposed to. Would you rather it not shut down in direct sunlight? Think before you answer.


...so your assertion is that it's reasonable to not expect to use your iFad outside? You know...in the sun? Like on a beach, or by a pool, or a sidewalk cafe? Like, all the places that you might want to use said device?

quote:
The Wi-Fi thing sounds like a fixable software issue and I hope Apple fixes it soon.


Maybe. Begs the question as to how they tested & QAd the damn thing though.

quote:
If you want flash on anything that runs on a battery, you're an idiot. There's no room for discussion there.


OMFG. I take it, then, you've never seen this category of device that we call "laptops." See, they run on batteries...and they can support Flash just fine. Flash support has not ever, EVER, been about battery life on Apple devices. It is 100% due to the fact that you could do, for free, in a Flash app what probalby 99% of the 80 billion App Store apps do - and then Apple wouldn't get any more of your dollars.

Seriously...nothing that runs on a battery should ever run Flash? Here's your effing sign.


RE: Once again, all you haters get it wrong...
By sefsefsefsef on 4/7/10, Rating: -1
By rocky12345 on 4/7/2010 8:56:24 PM , Rating: 3
I think his point was that if you chose to want to use it by the beach or by the pool side while the sun was out the thing should not start melting in your hand & shut down. I personally don't like using my laptop outside during the day because the bright sunlight makes it hard to see the screen BUT I do know that when I actually need to use it outside for my job it will not fail & over heat like the iPad does.

There is no excuse for that they need to revise the unit because not everyone is going to use it indoors in a nicely chilled room. Lets face it the temps this thing is designed to run at are very low in my apt when I came home for lunch it was 30c & it is not even summer here yet up in Canada.

So if I had a iPad it would fail & overheat in my apt & I would not even be in direct sun light. Apple needs to recall these all back & revise the cooling on it beofre they sell to many more units oh & while they are at it maybe fix their wi-fi problem as well.

As for flash yes it is a resource hog but that is not why apple does not want it on their products we all know why. They are not willing to risk losing control of their app store software empire & we all know that in time they would lose a lot of control over it if they allowed flash on their products. I am willing to bet that if they did not have the app store every Apple product would support flash right out of the box no questions asked.


RE: Once again, all you haters get it wrong...
By DeathBooger on 4/7/10, Rating: -1
RE: Once again, all you haters get it wrong...
By Bearach on 4/8/10, Rating: 0
By Bearach on 4/12/2010 1:01:51 PM , Rating: 2
Why vote me down, without giving reason? At least give an argument as to why it is okay a portable device is "reportably" sensitive to temperatures, and why it could be a problem in summer months, even in the shade?


By MikeO on 4/8/2010 9:21:57 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
If you want flash on anything that runs on a battery, you're an idiot. There's no room for discussion there.


LMFAO! I haven't laughed this hard in a while. Thanks man, I needed that. Comedy gold.


WTF
By Spivonious on 4/7/2010 1:44:58 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The iPad reportedly has an operating temperature of 32 degrees to 95 degrees F


What about users who want to use their iPads outside in the southern US? It routinely gets over 95 degrees in the summer. This is a really poor design decision.




RE: WTF
By MrPeabody on 4/7/2010 2:04:15 PM , Rating: 5
Well, you can still enjoy the iPad while you lounge by the pool. You just can't lounge by the pool when it's hot out.


RE: WTF
By acase on 4/7/2010 3:40:43 PM , Rating: 1
Just get a zip lock bag and take it with you in the pool...It just works!


RE: WTF
By djcameron on 4/7/2010 5:37:09 PM , Rating: 3
Most of the iTards live in the big coastal cities, like SF and NYC.


What did people expect?
By Odysseus145 on 4/7/2010 2:24:12 PM , Rating: 5
"We don't know how to build a sub-$500 computer that is not a piece of junk." --Steve Jobs




RE: What did people expect?
By XZerg on 4/7/2010 3:10:40 PM , Rating: 2
Perfect!

Anyhow I have grown some hatred towards Apple products since the day I used my friend's Macbook that had no visible exhaust and was using the skin as a heat spreader. Damn that shit was hot as hell after 30 minutes of use.


RE: What did people expect?
By alanore on 4/7/2010 5:41:13 PM , Rating: 2
The exhaust is in the gap between the screen and the mainbody, although it doesn't shift enough air, especially on the 13" MBP. My one regularly thermal throttles, and I've properly burnt myself on it once during HD playback.


RE: What did people expect?
By Motoman on 4/8/2010 11:40:42 AM , Rating: 2
...while that is true, it deflects attention from the fact that they don't know how to make *anything* that isn't a piece of junk.

...and wildly overpriced. But shiny.


Sounds like a software problem... not hardware
By tfk11 on 4/7/2010 2:02:18 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Apple says that the problem sometimes occurs when third-party Wi-Fi routers that are dual-band capable have one network has the same name...


This points quite strongly towards a software issue for me...




RE: Sounds like a software problem... not hardware
By Aikouka on 4/7/2010 2:14:21 PM , Rating: 2
But don't the iPad and iPhone/iPod Touch share the same operating system? You'd assume that if the OS had some bugs in it, that the iPhone would be affected as well, but I believe that the reports on the WiFi issue had people stating that their iPhones worked in the iPad WiFi problem areas just fine.


By Netjak on 4/7/2010 4:06:28 PM , Rating: 2
I have 3GS and occasionally loses wifi (conected but without data flow). modem is siemens sx763. It seems to me that this happens when I get back from the city.

problem is certainly not the SSID because I use a unique name, and local t-mobile sels modems with predefined unique SSID's.


By Sazar on 4/7/2010 6:15:16 PM , Rating: 2
I think it might indeed be a software problem, on Apple's side, because my iPhone does the same thing.

At home while I am browsing while watching TV or whatever, if my phone goes to sleep, it logs off my wi-fi network and when I wake the phone back up, it goes into limbo between 3G and wi-fi and fails to acquire either signal sometimes unless I put it back to sleep and wake it back up.

Disclaimer, I have a Black iPhone 3G, 16GB. Outside of this quibble and a horrendous number of dropped calls, the product works relatively well.


Step backward on the rise
By XZerg on 4/7/2010 3:18:15 PM , Rating: 2
iPad the thing that annoyed me is that it still uses 1990s resolution in this day and age. This is not just iPad issue but a lot of the tech stuff seem to take you forward one step on some features but back on others that we want. Some other examples: SSD - faster speeds but smaller size and higher price, LCD - smaller resolution (back few years), still color quality and price, Laptops - better battery life but slower system (Atom processors, single cpu (core) performance), ...




RE: Step backward on the rise
By acase on 4/7/2010 3:47:00 PM , Rating: 3
In almost everything in life there is a little saying that everything has three aspects: Speed, Price, and Service/Functionality. Problem is you can only pick 2 of those to go for in a product/service. I think this can apply to your problem.


RE: Step backward on the rise
By lightfoot on 4/7/2010 3:56:16 PM , Rating: 2
Just be happy that Apple didn't use a CRT screen for the iPad. Yes, it might be brighter and have a higher resolution, but it's HEAVY!


No issues so far
By FluxCap on 4/7/2010 2:13:51 PM , Rating: 2
It definitely sucks some are having issues. Maybe I got lucky: 1st gen iPhone owner, 3GS iPhone owner, and now iPad without any issues. I have surfed on 3 different wifi connections with my iPad over the past 48 hours without signal loss,slow speeds, etc. My home wifi is on an old netgear B router. Thought for sure mine would have problems after reading about this last night. Battery has lasted 11+ hours of surfing. I have been really impressed.




RE: No issues so far
By acase on 4/7/2010 3:42:55 PM , Rating: 2
I hope it continues to work out for you. If not, that thing could probaby make one hell of an explosion compared to what the iphones did.


RE: No issues so far
By Etern205 on 4/7/2010 6:33:47 PM , Rating: 2
Most likely as your a DT reader, you got technical background. For some of them Apple idiots, it's the opposite.


Apple iPad Components Cost At Least $259
By 2bdetermine on 4/7/2010 5:03:33 PM , Rating: 1
Guessed who is laughing all the way to the bank...

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/apr...




RE: Apple iPad Components Cost At Least $259
By Dorkyman on 4/7/2010 6:08:18 PM , Rating: 3
I don't understand your post.

That article states that the hardware materials cost for the iPad is about $260. To me, that number is shockingly high in relation to selling price.

Have you ever developed a product? All aspects? Hardware, software, R&D, overhead?

I'd venture to say that Apple is losing money on every iPad at the moment. In the future, assuming volume ramps up, they will make money.

Meanwhile, Apple's stock price is very high, because of all the positive spin on the company. Good luck to them, but as for me, I would be selling my Apple shares as fast as I could.

BTW I don't work for Apple, but I did back in the days of Lisa and Mac, and made quite a bit of money on call options back then.


By 2bdetermine on 4/7/2010 7:16:37 PM , Rating: 1
There is plenty of money to be made at all level when you achieved 100% on ROI.


Doesn't matter
By pequin06 on 4/7/2010 3:08:48 PM , Rating: 4
Apple products are like Paris Hilton.
Apple is popular for being popular thanks to the Apple zealots.
This issue (and future problems) will not hurt Apple's image because their customer base will simply not care.




I thought
By Etern205 on 4/7/2010 11:37:32 PM , Rating: 2
light color is suppose to reflect heat as in during Summer days wear light colored clothes. The iPAD has a shiny metallic surface and it's not reflecting heat is a "fail" on Apple.




RE: I thought
By inighthawki on 4/8/2010 12:22:12 AM , Rating: 2
Perhaps you're forgetting about the side that is mostly in the sunlight that has a very thick pitch black bezel


By jbwhite99 on 4/7/2010 6:50:32 PM , Rating: 3
I'm assuming that there are no quality issues with the iPAD - but couldn't read this article since I use a yellow background and yellow text on my 27" iMAC.




113 degrees F!!!!!!
By bwmccann on 4/7/2010 2:54:34 PM , Rating: 2
Well looks like no one in Phoenix will be using it during the summer. Good thing for the snowbirds though.




Overheating is a feature
By Legolias24 on 4/7/2010 4:02:51 PM , Rating: 2
<sarcasm>
Apple will just spin this overheating problem as a feature to ensure that you are not eternally glued to one electronic device all day long. By having the product over heat, it will force you to put the device down and live life...or pick up your other Appler devices and use them because they are starting to feel lonely.

And the wi-fi problems people are experiencing mean that Apple has successfully developed a passive application that tells you when your wireless network is in need of upgrading or reconfiguration. The fact that your other non-Apple devices are not working just proves that they are inferior to Apple as they can not detect problems with your network the way Apple can.
</sarcasm>

Can anyone (Pirks, I'm looking at you since you clearly understand Apple's philosophy better then most) explain to me how having to reconfigure your wirless network (or upgrade it with newer components) fits with Apples slogan "It just works"? I mean, clearly, having to modify an existing set-up so the iPad device can connect means your Apple products do not "just work". Could this problem be construed as false advertising on Apple's part, meaning someone could file a class action lawsuit? I'm just wondering...




By kilkennycat on 4/7/2010 6:52:32 PM , Rating: 2
Just wait for the nVidia Tegra2-based tablets ( dual-ARM processors plus core-logic plus GPU). Np problem running GPU accelerated Flash or your High-Def movie clips. nVidia silicon is designed to operate correctly well in excess of 70 degrees C ambient-temperature (158 degrees F). They did have a little GPU 'packaging' problem a few years ago which had nothing to at all to do with the silicon itself, but they have learned plenty from that expensive mis-packaging exercise.




...
By FoxFour on 4/7/2010 9:36:44 PM , Rating: 2
John Siracusa of Ars Technica wrote a column/article last year titled "Hypercritical". One of his examples was Steve Jobs, and he makes some interesting points about Apple's success thanks to Jobs.

http://arstechnica.com/staff/fatbits/2009/05/hyper...

It looks to me like ol' Steve is losing his edge.




RROD
By fuzzlefizz on 4/7/2010 10:05:28 PM , Rating: 2
Apple should just slap a red ring around the home button that blinks red when it overheats. Would save more battery than what's telling you on the screen since that produces heat.




By ie5x on 4/8/2010 2:51:07 AM , Rating: 2
As per their response, sounds like unstable Wifi connectivity is a feature AND overheated shutdown is a feature too!! Well in the next iPad OS, you might get a new feature to turn OFF these carefully implemented features!!! Or maybe you can buy some jumbo priced apps for doing that on the marketplace!?




Guys...
By themaster08 on 4/8/2010 6:03:05 AM , Rating: 2
I've been informed that reader1 may be absent on this one. He's having a few issues connecting his iPad to his router.




BOTTOM LINE
By vcolon on 4/8/2010 8:02:16 AM , Rating: 2
Never ever ever ever, buy a first generation electronic product. To all those Apple crazed zealots, hope you learned a lesson.




And shortly....
By masamasa on 4/8/2010 10:55:41 AM , Rating: 2
...they'll all begin to turn yellow.




By jimbojimbo on 4/8/2010 2:47:25 PM , Rating: 2
Their new campagin will say "Protects you from security threats by disconnecting you from the internet on its own!" Also, "This product is virtually impossible to hack when it's warm out."




excited
By eirruby on 4/10/2010 3:57:54 PM , Rating: 2
my friend already has iPad and i am plannng to get by next week... can't wait to have them.
http://www.dreamwalkmobile.com




I'm an Apple fanboy...
By mydogfarted on 4/8/2010 10:35:11 AM , Rating: 1
and the iPad is really headed for epic fail. Shitty design elements (no camera, no flash support, no internal memory card slot), and now this? Ugh.




THE SUN!!!
By ksherman on 4/7/10, Rating: -1
RE: THE SUN!!!
By strikeback03 on 4/7/2010 2:29:17 PM , Rating: 5
Geeks aren't supposed to see the sun anyway.


RE: THE SUN!!!
By mcnabney on 4/7/2010 2:56:19 PM , Rating: 2
The internal temperature will go up to 110 degrees before shutting down. I imagine their engineers determined that an ambient air temperature of 95F or higher will be too hot for the iPad to disperse the internally generated heat. A fan would solve that, but that would add noise and require holes.

So for most of the United States the iPad is a three season outdoor device.


RE: THE SUN!!!
By VahnTitrio on 4/7/2010 3:54:15 PM , Rating: 2
A fan may help but more than likely the hot components are the battery and backlighting, as the various electronic components aren't all that high powered and shouldn't produce much heat. If it is the battery a fan would not help all that much.

That said 35c isn't a very poor maximum operating temperature (a number of companies will list this value for their products, but most in fact will run safely to much higher temperature). In fact this doesn't even seem to meet that number as it was only 72 yesterday in NYC and 84 right now.

This could be disastrous for Apple as these undoubtedly will be exposed to MUCH higher temperatures. I actually do this sort of thing at work so I happen to have an IEEE standard in front of me stating that if someone leaves this on the dashboard of their car in Phoenix, they should expect it to see 100c (non-operating). Those of you in Florida/Texas get a little relief as it would only see 90c. Not having one to play with I can't say what will happen, but I'd expect a very high failure rate.


RE: THE SUN!!!
By Sazabi19 on 4/7/2010 4:10:05 PM , Rating: 2
Do most people not realize that OFFICIAL TEMPS like the ones that are seen on TV are measured in SHADE. Anything that has current running through it WILL produce heat, even a very tiny bit inside of a closed system, with many little parts (little heat * lots of little parts = decent heat) will cause you heat. Adding any other heat source to this seems to be quite disastrous...


RE: THE SUN!!!
By inighthawki on 4/7/2010 3:51:47 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think people purposely leave this thing in direct sunlight. Also sometimes it's not really possible to avoid sunlight if you're using it outdoors. I'm curious to see how this will play out. If this thing is overheating now, just wait and see what happens when SUMMER actually comes around... It's only going on mid-April, the hottest portion of the year is yet to come...


omg apple sux
By DeathBooger on 4/7/10, Rating: -1
RE: omg apple sux
By wiz220 on 4/7/2010 5:50:03 PM , Rating: 2
Thing is, when your entire marketing campaign revolves around the slogan "It just works" and then you have so many issues on day one, you MAKE yourself a target.

When your leader (Jobs) makes claims that a product is "magical" and "wondrous" and "revolutionary" you should probably do a bit more testing and have better QC so your new world changing gizmo works as expected.

The reason people are so fed up with Apple is the outrageous claims, outrageous prices and the absolute unwillingness to ever admit a mistake (in this case blaming router manufacturers).

There ARE other tablets on the way. The reason they are coming later (and will also wipe the floor with the iPad) is because the companies releasing them are adding more features UP FRONT instead of milking their fanboys for every penny by releasing a new model a few months after launch that contains a feature that COULD have been included from the start.

From a consumer standpoint Apple is the worst value in the tech sector.


RE: omg apple sux
By AussieDude on 4/7/2010 11:35:00 PM , Rating: 2
Dude at the end of the day, your not goin to be able to convince people that apple products are anythin less than a shinny new toy. Too many people buy things because of the social recognition they will receive.

I've been a developer for over 10 yrs and real hardcore computer geeks(yes the ones in the know) don't buy apples they are for the (clueless) general public. Yes some computer geeks buy apple but that's to be different and to bask in the glory of apple 'coolness' or because someone has to support the platform.

If you do your research and aren't concerned with social recognition your not goin to buy an iPoo. Why would you buy something, and then try and find a purpose for it??


RE: omg apple sux
By JasonMick (blog) on 4/7/2010 5:55:38 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
I'm not an Apple fanboy, even though most of you will call me one. I just have a new MacBook Pro because my college gave me one as part of my tuition. It's better quality than any other laptop I've owned, OSX is easier to use than Windows 7 with better features, and I would never in a million years buy one on my own because of the price.


I'm with you on the whole let people have their own opinions and don't blindly judge products, but OS X better than Windows 7? I just can't see how you would claim it.

I own a MacBook Pro as well and unless I'm using a Mac development environment I NEVER use OS X anymore as IMO its poorly made and lacking in features. It:
1. Lacks support for many basic games
2. Has a limited software library, doesn't support a lot of math/science-related software.
3. Buries a lot of functionality under layers of graphical muck.
4. Is very insecure to anyone who knows what they're doing (no free AV provided, lacking memory protections, etc).

I tried OS X Snow Leopard and approached it with an open mind. But the experience in Windows 7 is SO MUCH better. Even the graphical touches in Win7 are more intuitive and useful as opposed to the extravaganza of useless graphical touches in OS X.

On that point I have to heartily and respectfully disagree with you.


RE: omg apple sux
By sefsefsefsef on 4/7/2010 6:20:49 PM , Rating: 4
I agree with this. My time is pretty even split between Windows 7, Mac OS X and Ubuntu, and I have to say that of the three, Windows 7 is the best product (although I will still buy Apple computers for my laptops for the foreseeable future for other reasons).

I'm usually one of the Apple fanboys who defends it with tooth and nail (see my above posts), but Microsoft really did a great job with Windows 7 and they should be applauded for their superior product. What was this article about again?


RE: omg apple sux
By DeathBooger on 4/7/2010 7:29:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm with you on the whole let people have their own opinions and don't blindly judge products, but OS X better than Windows 7? I just can't see how you would claim it.


It's just how it appeals to me I guess. I had Windows 7 for a few months before even getting my MacBook Pro. I've been strictly a Window user up until then. Windows 7 is great and I still use it, but Snow Leopard just appeals to me more. I'm in the creative graphics field so that is probably the biggest factor.

There are free antivirus programs out there for the Mac platform and since Steam is coming to Mac at least there will be a few more games. Either way I'm adopting both Mac and Windows platforms from here on out.


RE: omg apple sux
By rocky12345 on 4/7/2010 9:10:17 PM , Rating: 2
Jason You got it all right hit the nail on the head. How do you rate people up in this


RE: omg apple sux
By hiscross on 4/8/10, Rating: -1
RE: omg apple sux
By rocky12345 on 4/9/2010 12:05:11 AM , Rating: 2
lol who me of coarse i do not own a apple product would not have one in my house thank you very much. I might if Jobs stepped down a the leader but until then not a snow balls chance in hell. But I have worked on mac products & yes they break down just like PC's.


Just Another Dumb Shot at Apple
By hiscross on 4/8/10, Rating: -1
By steven975 on 4/8/2010 2:35:13 PM , Rating: 2
It isn't 95F outside in NYC yet.

If apple says the device operates in environments up to 95F, than that is what they should be held to. It is clear that it does in fact NOT operate in environments even below 95F.

I also woudn't call most access points second rate. If just about every device connects to these APs and the iPad doesn't the variable is the iPad.


RE: Just Another Dumb Shot at Apple
By steven975 on 4/8/2010 2:46:36 PM , Rating: 2
It isn't 95F outside in NYC yet.

If apple says the device operates in environments up to 95F, than that is what they should be held to. It is clear that it does in fact NOT operate in environments even below 95F.

I also woudn't call most access points second rate. If just about every device connects to these APs and the iPad doesn't the variable is the iPad.


By mindless1 on 4/11/2010 5:42:24 PM , Rating: 2
Apparently you aren't aware of the effect of solar radiation on things outside.

Briefly: The only reason it is not far below freezing is some things, like the iPad, absorb energy and through being hotter than air, warm the air to the lower temperature you see on the news/weather reports.

For example, sit on your rooftop on a sunny summer day, or in your car with power off and windows up.


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